Beast

wat aspect of java u got a problem wid? my shopkeeping skill might come in handy

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Give money to bums?? You can give my chittar all the money u want.

Excellent post dude. But as far as i know radha soami's are not even Sikhs. They may repesct Sikhi and go to the gurdwara, but their path is different to that of Sikhs. I don't know if the same goes for ravi dass ppl. Nirankari's aren't a cast, their a bunch of toss pots if history is correct. Your right abt 'Ramgharia' gurdware though, although hopefully their commitee members may be able to give an explanation as to why this is the case. I have my own theories on why so many girls get converted. I think that its because theres too much disunity between amritdharees and those Sikhs that aren't that religious. Both camps are completely seperate from each other allowing feelings of resentment towards each other to rise. Obviously there's more to it than just this, but speaking from experience this is the impression I get and it seems to be a major contribution to the problem.

Dogs and wolves have carniverous teeth since they eat nothing but meat - these teeth are sharp an pointy, hence ideal for tearing flesh. Vegetarian animals have herbivorous teeth which are ideal for grinding down non-meat foods such as grass and vegetables. Humans are omnivorous. We have both carniverous and herbivorous teeth.

Completely missed this post, sorry!! :bling: take Shasterkovich's post into account as well pls baba

Beast: Shasterkovich: Both myself and Shasterkovich implied that we don't eat halal meat, therefore rehat is not broken. (your remaining queries in the above quote become obsolete) Shasterkovich: truthsingh: Still waiting. Shasterkovich: baba, I'll try to be a little less sarcastic in the future if thats what will make you happy. (yes, I'm holding out the olive branch) Also, please make a concise list of all the questions that you feel still remain. Remember: The jhatka issue has been tackled, in my opinion rehat is not broken by eating non-jhatka meat. It is broken by eating halal (and therefore, in my case, kosher meat) meat. (I know this contradicts Akal Takhat, but I'm not really an SGPC fan). Most of the replies you get will most likely be opinions, but if something you said was illogical then pls don't stick to your guns.

I have never 'ordinarily claimed to be a nihang'. The closest I have come is to imply that I may have some attributes which often characterise nihangs (eg an ability to piss people off that I don't like). 1. I'm not a mind reader. Make it clear who u are speaking to, they'll teach u that at school don't worry. 2. From those that support the halal way of slaughter, the animal is not said to feel pain and remains calm throughout. I simply commented in 1 of my earlier posts that an animal I saw being slaughtered on tv did not seem calm. Whether this was an isolated case I don't know. Really???!?? Both Hari and Shasterkovich made some excellent points. I'll come back to this in another post. I've said this many times now, the meat that I do eat is not halal. Period. This discussion is abt Eating Meat within Rehat (in the Sikh Martial Arts/Nihangs section for some reason). Once more in case u missed it, I personally eat meat as long as it isn't halal. btw i feel the same abt kosher as i do abt halal. why? no reason, I just do. They seem to be the same thing but with different names. Does anyone know anything abt the kosher process? Is saying that its ok to eat jhatka the same as saying you will only eat jhatka??? :shock: You seem to be asking me a lot about myself but you haven't said anything about yourself. I'm not going to reveal aspects of my life to a strange boy on the net. You want to know abt me, well first reveal a little bit abt yourself and where you stand on meat and on Nihangs (these two seem to be central to this thread). I'll give my opinion on certain topics and I will accept criticisms if there are any flaws in any of my arguments. I might have an ego, but I'm always willing to further my knowledge.

baba, u really need to learn to read and understand english. i've put what i said in quotes for you. If you are stuck ask an elder to come and help you. If you are surrounded by elders with the same understanding of the english language that you have then come and ask me what this quote means......tut tut. Give me the quotes where I have contradicted myself (taking into account your reading difficulties) Your logic is truly amazing. Anyway, why are you trying to label me? You don't even know if i'm a Singh. Lets do a comparison: a teacher gets a flat tyre on her car so she changes it herself. For some reason she also checks the oil, the water levels and all the tyre pressures. Does that maker her a mechanic??? No - she is still a school teacher. Similarily, I can justifiably 'label' myself as being both and neither a nihang. ie some of my qualities i share with nihangs, and others i don't............................and u thought I didn't care. lol As far as i'm aware chatka means to kill with one blow. How does me not eating halal meat mean that I am anti-Muslim or attacking Muslims??? Use your brain cell once in a while babu. My muslim mates don't seem to mind. Can u imagine me saying to them "i am offended coz u don't eat pork"??!??! No, coz thats against their religion and I respect their beliefs. I don't eat halal and they respect my beliefs. In this particular instance you are making assumptions on a situation on which u have no knowledge coz u don't eat meat. If u did eat meat and u had any friends (and some of them were Muslim) then u would understand the situation. I quite clearly stated that the UK govt wanted to ban it, and that the animal seemed to be aware of its surroundings after its throat had been slit. Hopefully someone put there can answer this coz i'm just as ignorant as babu is here. What type of Gurbani is read, and is babu's claim that its done while some1 is drinking blood true?? (some how i doubt it is but i have no idea). Tell u what, why don't u write down what u feel has been answered from ur original and subsequent posts. Then we can tackle all the issues that you feel have been neglected. Finally babu, can i ask u what was your motive was for opening this thread? Did you want to learn more abt 'Eating Meat with Rehat" (which for some reason is in the Sikh Martial Arts/Nihangs section) or was it ur aim to try and create conflict coz some ppl have different views to your own??? If, by a miracle, it was the former than a lot of your questions have been answered, but unfortunately you seem to have a problem understanding english. Whats it to u?? I've already stated that I don't eat halal meat. Read ALL the posts again fully. Shasterkovich came out with some really good points. I would love to rinse u more babbu, but I have to go stand in the shop now,

You're all wrong. Its a conspiracy, I've discounted every other possibility. Aliens from outer space are controlling our governments - they put implants in bush's bush. They want all clever ppl to fail and all dumb ppl to succeed. years and years from now only dumb ppl will exist on this planet and then the aliens will attack. they will send there women folk down (all of whom bear a close resemblance to aishwarye rai ) to impregnate all the men. 6 months later the men will give birth to triplets. Don't ask how they come out :shock: :shock: :shock: This is the only possibility, it explains why I did worse on a resit exam even though I answered more questions the second time and had actually bothered to revise beforehand. Now I just need to explain to my parents that I was too intelligent for university and thats why I failed everything. Damn aliens, they've resigned me to a life behind a shop counter.

Go visit the sheep in the fields of Wales. Pull ur weapon out on them and see if they run. Sorry bro, u need to ask an expert on this. Is it up to the guy doin the chatka? Maybe (i'm guessin here) some Singhs in India prefer to 'drug' them while others don't. Why would Nihangs need to behead the animals???? It ain't halal so whats the probelem? I used to try and sing whilst drinking (cola baba ji) when I was a kid. If any Nihang needs training whilst drinking blood I will be happy to oblige. Look out 4 the new website in the future. lol Why do u keep assuming I'm a Nihang????????? Are u trying to be like Mystic Meg? I thought the title was 'Eating Meat Within Rehat'?

lucky dhaba rules!!!! (its next door to haveli on the GT road between jakandhar and phagwara in case anyone's interested)

Did a quick search on Google. Here are some of the more neutral sites. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2977086.stm http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs...,922695,00.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../11/nmeat11.xml this last one is interesting. half way down it says that:

BBC Radio 5 around late March (2003) on a Friday if my memory is correct. If it helps I can get an exact date, but that might take a bit of time. The number of places catering for halal in the south east (ie London) is definately increasing no doubt, but I think that is due to the increase number of Muslim Turks and east Europeans settling in the area. Never seen chatka being done so I'm going to tackle this using common sense. Go up to an animal on a farm baba, take out a knife and watch its reaction. What are the chances of (eg) a lamb leggin it from u scared that its going to get cut up by a raving mad man????!?? (i'm not calling a mad man, i'm lookin at it from the lamb's perspective. I'm sure that ur mental health is unsurpassed).One place where i've seen chatka is on the shastarvidiya web site - the goat there has no idea that its going to be decapitated, its just standing there. I've killed some ants, annoying little sh**s. There was a good chance that it was chatka, although with the force that i came down with my foot i can't really be sure. No baba ji, i didn't eat them. What questions? On the whole I gave my opinion here, and I made it obvious that I don't know too much abt the chatka process. By the way, why is this question under "Sikh Martial Arts/Nihangs"??? Are u implying that those that who do not consider themselves to be nihangs don't eat meat within Rehat, or because it is mainly Nihangs that tackle the meat issue? If its the latter then why ask Lalleshvari to get involved? I did a search on his name and it became apparent that he's not a Nihang. Go back to your original post and decide which questions you feel have been answered. Then post those questions which u feel still need to be addressed.

Can someone shed some light on this: I heard that chatka just means killin with one blow and that this has been done done with (eg) a gun by Nihangs in the past. ie a 'knife' from what i gather is not what explicitly qualifies the process as being halal. Neither and both at the same time :wink: I am who I am and I try to gain knowledge from as many ppl as i can. What did u expect them to say????? A Muslim is not exactly going to criticise halal is he? lol The UK govt. is taking steps to ban halal because it believes that the process is not humane. Also if u see the animal it is clear that it is AWARE of what is happening, and from what I saw on TV, the animal was in some distress. A side effect of this is that a massive amount of adrenaline is released into the blood to find its way into muscles. This is not natural, adrenaline is only supposed to be in the body for a short period. Baba Ji, is ur eyesight ok? Or do u believe that if something is not chatka then it must be halal?? Read my previous post again (slowly) - I quite explicitly stated that i don't eat halal. Why do u need to know narsingha's point of view so badly? Read the shastarvidiya website and try and spot the mistake's in your original post. :?

From a biochemical point of view, eggs aren't meat. Personally, I don't eat halal and my preference is for the animal that i've eaten to have been killed with the minimum of pain (ie chatka). By this mentality non-halal meat in the UK is cool coz the animals are killed quickly and efficiently. I'm not sure how fish in the UK are killed though - does any1 know? I have to go now, my bacon butty is ready :wink:

I might be totally wrong here, but I had a thought earlier. Is Guru Gobind Singh being referred to as "Akali Nihang" Guru Gobind Singh or "Akali Nihang Guru" Gobind Singh. There is a difference, coz even the term 'Guru' is a rank/distinction (?). Any tom, dick and harry can name their kids Gobind Singh but there was only one Guru Gobind Singh. Now there existed many Akali Nihangs in our history, but there are only 10 Akali Nihang Guru's. What do u think, am I missing something totally obvious from this argument or have I smashed it??? lol And girls, stop b*tchin at each other, you'll ruin ur nails.