comparison between sant bhindranwale and che guvera?

[Guest]

I was reading life of che guvera, right off the bat, his struggle reminded me of sant bhindranwale struggle. There is no question sant bhindranwale was sant, was higher than che guvera when it comes to spiritual avastha, but when it comes to sidhak and anakh of protesting against human rights and their people they both went through same struggle may be on a different platforms but essence of their struggle was same. Che guvera felt for its people who were prosecuted by evil regime so did sant bhindranwale. Che guvera was socialist (equal rights for everyone) so was sant bhindranwale.

reason i m posting this thread so i can get opnion/thoughts from sangat on this topic comparsion between sant bhindranwale and che guvera, is it right to compare them? if there are subtle differences and simialirity between them please list them, please leave the ridicolous differences out like- che guvera used to smoke , sant bhindranwale did not.. we all know that, as i said earlier i m not comparing them on a spiritual level but on socio-political-economic level.

also on that note, i have a technical question for techies, can someone please guide me how i combine these two personalities pictures on the tshirt? any suggestions?

also would larger sangat get offended by tshirt trend with both of them on it?

your views please

[Homer Simpson]

Stupid topic!!

[Guest]

homer simpson, how come is stupid topic, please enlighten me lord?

[Homer Simpson]

Sorry N30 youre not worthy enough!

[Matheen]

N3O, read more about Che - you'll see why.....

[wahegurubol]

who is che guvera? dont know him.

no topic is stupid ! is this how khalsa behaves?

[Homer Simpson]

Yep!

[Xylitol]

Che was communist, which flies in the face of sikhe. Although I don't know what his personal beliefs wrt God were. Also, Che was used heavily by the Cubans to legitimize thier revolution. One wonders if Che actually knew about all the shady happenings, or if he remained ignorant. Thing is that Che was an idealist, and possibly not as fully grounded as he should have been. Sant ji was an idealist for sure, but with both feet on the ground. He was very practical, and when Congress tried to use him, he managed to see through it.

Another thing is that many people, Americans particularly, really hate those stinkin' commies. I don't know if it's a good idea to put two things that people hate (commies and turban wearing people) together as it creates a connecction in their mind that they won't understand.

[gsingh00]

socialism is an economic system, not necessarily equal rights for everyone. It pushes for increased government involvement and more social programs, which can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your own beliefs. Most socialists that I know of are atheist, and believe in communism/marxism. Although I could be wrong, from the Sant Jarnail Singh speeches I have heard, I don't see how he could be classified as a socialist. His speeches don't really push for more government involvment, if anything he wants the Central government to stop meddling in the affairs of Punjabis. I can see a similarity with the socialists in that he tries empowering the oppressed, but other than that I agree that Guevera and Sant Jarnail Singh were both revolutionaries that represented the oppressed, but i fail to see too many similarities between the 2 of them in terms of political agenda.

There are also alot of people say that che guevera and the cubans killed off the people that didnt agree with their socialist agenda, but then again, I haven't researched into this at all, so for all I know it could just be rumours or propoganda.

[Guest]

thanks for your replies guys,

I got some really informative/interesting replies on sikhsangat on this same topic:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=31647

Also sant jarnail singh bhindranwale in his speeches may not have promoted socialism but surely concept of socialism was definately one of resolution of 12 resolutions in anandpur resolution document.

If you read the anandpur resolution clearly, you will see some of resolutions out of 12 resembles che guvera dream. Please check resolution-3.

http://www.sikhcoalition.org/Sikhism21.asp

Resolution No. 3

(Economic Policy Resolution)

The chief sources of inspiration of the economic policies and programme of the Shiromani Akali Dal are the secular, democratic and socialistic concepts of Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind Singh. Our economic programme is based on three principles:

(a) Dignity of labor.

( An economic and social structure which provides for the uplift of the poor and depressed sections of society.

© Unabated opposition to concentration of economic and political power in the hands of the capitalists.

While drafting its economic policies and programme, the Shiromani Akali Dal in its historic Anandpur Sahib Resolution has laid particular stress on the need to break the monopolistic hold of the capitalists foisted on the Indian economy by 30 years of Congress rule in India. This capitalist hold enabled the Central government to assume all powers in its hands after the manner of Mughal imperialism. This was bound to thwart the economic progress of the states and injure the social and economic interests of the people. The Shiromani Akali Dal once again reiterates the Sikh way of life by resolving to fulfil the holy words of Guru Nanak Dev:

"He alone realizes the true path who labors honestly and shares with others the fruits of that labor."

This way of life is based upon three basic principles:

i. Doing honest labor,

ii. Sharing with others the fruits of this labor, and

iii. Meditation on the Lord's Name.

The Shiromani Akali Dal calls upon the Central and the State governments to eradicate unemployment during the next ten years. While pursuing this aim, special emphasis should be laid on amelioration the lot of the weaker sections, scheduled and depressed classes, workers, landless and poor farmers and urban poor farmers and urban poor. Minimum wages must be fixed for all of them.

The Shiromani Akali Dal urges Punjab government to draw up such an economic plan for the state as would turn it into the leading state during the next ten years by raising per capita income to Rs. 3,000 and by generating an economic growth rate of 7% per annum as against 4% at the national level.

The Shiromani Akali Dal gives first priority to the redrafting of the taxation structure in such a way that the burden of taxation is shifted from the poor to the richer classes and an equitable distribution of national income ensured.

The main plank of the economic programme of the Shiromani Akali Dal is to enable the economically weaker sections of the society to share the fruits of national income.

The Shiromani Akali Dal calls upon the Central government to make an international airport at Amritsar which should also enjoy the facilities of a dry port. Similarly, a Stock Exchange should be opened at Ludhiana to accelerate the process of industrialization and economic growth in the State. The Shiromani Akali Dal also desires that suitable amendments should be made in the Foreign Exchange rules for free exchange of foreign currencies and thereby removing the difficulties being faced by the Indian emigrants.

The Shiromani Akali Dal emphatically urges upon the Indian government to bring about parity between the prices of the agricultural produce and that of the industrial raw materials so that the discrimination against such states that lack these materials may be removed.

The Shiromani Akali Dal demands that the exploitation of the produces of cash crops like cotton, sugarcane, oil seeds, etc., at the hand of traders should be stopped forthwith and for this purpose arrangements be made for purchase by government of these crops at remunerable prices. Besides, effective steps should be taken by government for the purchase of cotton through the Cotton Corporation.

The Shiromani Akali Dal strongly feels that the most pressing national problem is the need to ameliorate the lot of millions of exploited persons belonging to the scheduled classes. For such a purpose the Shiromani Akali Dal calls upon the Central and State governments to earmark special funds. Besides, the state governments should allot sufficient funds in their respective budgets for giving free residential plots both in the urban and rural areas to the Scheduled Castes.

The Shiromani Akali Dal also calls for the rapid diversification of farming. The shortcomings in the Land Reforms Laws should be removed, rapid industrialization of the State ensured, credit facilities for the medium industries expanded and unemployment allowance given to those who are unemployed. For remunerative farming, perceptible reduction should be made in the prices of farm machinery like tractors, tubewells, as also of the inputs.

[gsingh00]

interesting, you have a very good point.