amardeep Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Did the early nirmalas belive in the concept of Shabad Guru and gurgaddi being given to Guru Granth SAhib? The reason i ask, is because Pandit Gulab Singh in the book does'nt pay homeage to Guru Granth Sahib... His homeage in the Mangalcharan is given to Ram Chander, Guru Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh and his vidiya Guru... No mention of Guru Granth Sahib anywhere in the text. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Interesting question, but I think the context of the question could be changed.....was 'shabad guru' revered with guru granth sahib ji being the focal point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Would be interesting to have veer tSinghs input. It could be as simple as it was the tradition of the time. Which works in the 18 and even 19thc use Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in the manglacharan? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Tradition maybe but would'n homage to the present Guru be the most logical thing to do? Tsingh and kamji where are you.. Panth Parkash does'nt pay homeage to Guru Granth Sahib either. Its given to Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Tradition maybe but would'n homage to the present Guru be the most logical thing to do? Tsingh and kamji where are you.. Panth Parkash does'nt pay homeage to Guru Granth Sahib either. Its given to Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind Singh A little busy right now, so I cannot go into detail but...nirmala works usually open with a mangalacharan to nirgun then sagun Braham followed by their guru pranali, and since the samprdais are disciplic lineage, they will offer salutations to the Satiguru and their gurdev. Lineages trace back to Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj, not to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. You find this in most nirmala texts old and new, from Pandit Gulab Singh Ji back in the 1700s all the way to Mahant Ganesha Singh at the beginning of the 1900s who opens his Nirmal Prabodh granth with a mangalacharan to Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, then Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji and then his guru Pandit Hameer Singh Ji. That is his lineage. Pandit Gulab Singh offers mangalacharans to Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, then Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, then his guru Pandit Maan Singh Ji. That is his particular lineage. A further point to assure you, in one composition of Bhai Sehaj Ram Sevapanthi from the mid 1700s you have no mangalacharan to Sri Guru Granth Sahib but you have reference to the importance of the Sant as a means to achieve moksh, and importantly reference also to shabad as Guru on which one should meditate throughout the aath peher. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Hi, just wondering what significance does ram chandar have to nirmala samprada to have him placed in a mangalcharan? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsingh96 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Interesting question, but I think the context of the question could be changed.....was 'shabad guru' revered with guru granth sahib ji being the focal point? tsingh, knowing that you are busy, can you reply to this question as well? thanks! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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