Experience During Punjabi Suba Movement

[Amarjeet Singh_1737]

Sher will not talk about what Sikhs faced during Punjabi Suba Movement , above experience is not an isolated case .

Some pictures from the time.

Edited April 23, 2014 by Amarjeet Singh_1737

[Amarjeet Singh_1737]

The first picture is of Inderjeet Singh. A ten year old child who was involved in an agitation, hearing him shouting 'Punjabi Suba Zindabad!!' two Haryanvi cops beat him and threw him in a well killing him.

The second is of a protest in Amritsar, which the police were ordered to break up due to the near success of the agitation.

The third is of a female organisation involved in the movement.

The fourth is of a Sikh gathering to discuss the issue in Delhi, which caught the eye of the police who fired upon the protesters.

The fifth is of the police storming of the Darbar Sahib complex, where a major gathering was held at Akal-Takhat to discuss the direction of the movement.

The sixth is of a male group.

The seventh depicts a young Gyani Inderjeet Singh Ji (Raqbe Wale. In shades). He is a master of Gurmat, and one of the survving students of Gyani Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwale. he currently resides at Hazoor Sahib and is held in high esteem by the Udasis, Nihungs and Nirmalas there.

[Amarjeet Singh_1737]

Edited April 23, 2014 by Amarjeet Singh_1737

[OnPathToSikhi]

Earlier on this post:

Want to compare it with demand for states in other parts of the country? Telengana has been allowed to be formed after decades and after 1000s have died.

Now:

what is you criteria for 'sacrifice' anyway? If you consider the number of deaths as the supreme criteria, how many people died in this agitation (i must add here that every death was regrettable)? Four deaths or five deaths in Bhatinda jail riots? I can be wrong about the number of those killed in the decade long agitation.

Hypocritical self countering statements ...

[amar_jkp]

complete respect to the Punjabi Suba agitators who agitated and got what they were agitating for in the shape of a trifurcated modern day Punjab. complete respect to those who sacrificed their lives or were killed by the police. what are you trying to prove Amarjeet, i did not get it. Are you claiming that Sikhs should have been given Punjabi suba the day after the demand was made from Akal Takht (giving the demand communal overtones)?

What is the point of giving these photographs and accounts of police brutality? was it the only agitation after 1947 which had to face the police lathis and arrests? did the agitators faced police brutalities because they were Sikhs?

what is you criteria for 'sacrifice' anyway? If you consider the number of deaths as the supreme criteria, how many people died in this agitation (i must add here that every death was regrettable)? Four deaths or five deaths in Bhatinda jail riots? I can be wrong about the number of those killed in the decade long agitation.

To give the other readers some idea, to mention just one agitation which 'failed' in spite of the intensity much more than the Punjabi suba, 151 agitators died (63 killed in police firings) in anti-mandal commission agitation in north India. Most of the victims were college youths who either self-immolated themselves or were killed in the police firings.

the PM (VP Singh) in those days and the victims were both from the castes you detest the most (brahmins, Rajputs) still their 'sacrifices' failed.

I know how much you people love punjabi , checkout all Hindu owned shops outside Darbar sahib all of them have names in Hindi . Before India partition there was saying that Hindus speak Punjabi and write in Urdu and when you asked them about their mother tongue they will say Hindi .

[amar_jkp]

The present Hindu-Sikh conflict is the saddest tragedy of postpartition Indian History. Its genesis lies in a narrow-minded attitude of certain sections of the community, that totally refutes the traditional Hindu virtues of tolerance and understanding. One also wonders, why are the Sikhs always pushed into agitation for their basic constitutional demands, the kind which were never denied to other states and communities. Why was Punjab the last linguistic state to be formed (10 years late)? Why is Punjab the only state of India whose capital Chandigarh is governed by the central Government? There are many such unanswered questions which deserve serious probing and full national exposure. Indian news agencies and papers will do well to investigate the reasons for Hindu-Sikh conflict arising from Hindu opposition to Sikh demands, even though their demands were made to the Government( and not to the Hindus of Punjab and Haryana). While most of the Sikh demands are for the welfare of Punjab State, not one demand

is anti-Hindu or hurts Hindu sentiments in any way. It is a great pity that the Punjab linguistic problem as such, should have become known as Hindu-Sikh conflict, since Sikhs in our view are no less Hindus than many other sects within the Hindu religion and society. Since most Hindus in Punjab declared to be Hindi-speaking (the root-cause of today's problem) and all Sikhs rightly claimed to be Punjabi-speaking, one wonders why did we all and the press fail to mention them as a conflict between the Punjabis and non-Punjabis, thus avoiding the sectarian and communal title to the problem. A non-Punjabi speaker may not be called a Punjabi in as much as a Maharashtrian or a Gujrati living in Tamil Nadu is not usually called a Tamilian. The doctrine of fanaticism propagated by certain section of the Punjabi-Hindus has ironically done great damage to the Hindu activities seemed to have hurt patriotic Sikh sentiments; and to win our Sikh brothers back in our Hindu family, we need to expose the activities of certain

[amar_jkp]

Why was there bitter opposition to granting holy-city status to Amritsar. Equally incredible was the opposition by Amritsar Hindus to the Sikh desire of naming of one train as Golden Temple (Hari Mandir) Express, little realising that the city of Amritsar was built only because of that ancient temple that existed before it. Numerous incidents of these kinds provoked by some extremists of Punjab must be made known to non-Punjabi Hindus all over India, who continue to be victims of one sided anti-Sikh misinformation from various news agencies.

Every care has been taken to verify all the reports and the complaints made by various people. For example, to confirm the truth of the alleged Hindu opposition to the naming of a highway as Guru Gobind Singh Marg, the authors went to the extent of confirming the incident with the President of India. The Report provides us with well documented incidents including those where some anti-social elements have used turbans as a camouflage during the act of crime. Accordingly Sikh leaders' claim that the recent killings of innocent Hindus in the bus, near the border were not committed by the Sikhs appears to be credible and thought provoking.

[amar_jkp]

Sant Langowal explained that when Zail Singh, as Punjab Chief Minister, named a secondary road as Guru Gobind Singh Marg, he was strongly criticised by Punjabi Hindus, in spite of their knowledge that Guru Gobind Singh (and so also his four children and his father) was born, lived and died for the protection of the Hindus. Comparing the situation, Iyengar commented that in Maharashtra, no one could dare dream of opposing the naming of Shivaji Marg. (Four days later, I had the privilege of meeting President Zail Singh in Rashtrapati Bhavan who confirmed that there indeed was unfortunate opposition to his naming of Guru Gobind Singh Marg).

Citing another example of communal jealousy against the Sikhs, Longowal explained that a few years ago, on the four hundredth anniversary of the city of Amritsar, Sikhs obtained permission from the Railway Board to display a picture of Guru Ramdas at the railway station as a 'Founder of the city of Amritsar'. Upon this, there was an immediate reaction from city Hindus, who brought in a few unauthorised pictures of Hindu Yogis and demonstrated against the Guru Ramdas picture. Sant Langowal added that by rival action of this kind, Hindus in Punjab certainly make it very obvious that in their view Sikh Gurus were not Hindus. We went to witness the pictures at the station, which are there for everyone's verification. He narrated similar other incidents and added that religious jealousy and communal rivalry from the Northern Hindus against the Sikhs has gone a long way towards pushing us into a separate race of the Sikhs within India.

[amar_jkp]

Since none of the Akali demands are anti-Hindu or are likely to hurt Hindu sentiments in any way and most of the demands are for the welfare of Punjab State, one fails to understand why should this agitation (directed towards the Government) attract Hindu opposition and cause communal conflict? Instead of joining the movement and uniting the Hindus and the Sikhs, Arya-Samaj has unfortunately chosen the path of direct confrontation with the Sikhs by mobilising the Hindu-Suraksha-Samiti and the Sangathan and seeking the undeserving sympathy and support from Hindus outside the Hindi-belt by misleading them with false and exaggerated information e.g. while Hindu population in Punjab is as high as 49% yet it is highly publicised as a small minority. It is remarkable that the 3 communal incidents of Punjab happened in Hindu majority cities of Amritsar, Jullunder and Patiala, with over 60% Hindu population and no similar incidents in the villages, where Sikhs are in majority.

[amar_jkp]

It is a pity that the Sikhs have to agitate, struggle and sacrifice lives for their constitutional demands, the kind of which are usually granted automatically to other states and communities. While most linguistic states in India were carved out in l950's, Punjabi state was agreed upon in 1966, only after a decade of great peaceful satyagrhas and sacrifices by the Sikhs. While no other state was deprived of its capital, today 25 years later, Sikhs still continue to struggle and sacrifice lives for their Chandigarh. It is a great pity that entire Sikh community and Punjab should be held responsible and deprived of their rights because of the violence from few extremists.

It is tragic that some of our Punjabi Hindus should be betraying their own State's welfare by not supporting the common cause of Chandigarh and River waters etc., and thus alienating themselves from the Sikhs. Their most unfair and mean opposition to the Sikh religious demands, e.g. demonstrating with cigarette packets on Sikh swords in a communal procession through the streets of Amritsar, are the kind of high degree of provocations which cause disharmony and the rift which we witness today between the two communities. Due to the frequent biased press reporting Sikhs have not been able to present the true picture of their grievances across the nation. I will advise the Sikh politician to invite few prominent Hindus from each state of India to Amritsar to discuss their grievances and impress upon them the genuine sincerity of their demands which are within the framework of the constitution.

[amar_jkp]

Last year when Shaheedi Memorial was building in the memory of operation blue star Hindu media created so much hue and cry saying Sikhs are creating Khalistani Memorial , Terrorist memorial etc . How many of you have hear about harbans lal khanna 'Samark' at Amritsar. For Hindus he is a big martyr and they have created its smarak in city not inside any Mandir . And why they loved him so much :

• 1984 Harbans Lal Khanna, a former M.L.A. and B.J.P.’s Amritsar district president, is shot dead along with his bodyguard. Eight Sikhs were killed and nine were injured during the funeral procession the next day.

The Hindu mobs under the command of Harbans Lal Khanna did many protests against the Sikhs in Amritsar, in which the Hindu racist mobs would attack Sikhs and their businesses as well as Sikh gurudwaras. Under the command of Harbans Lal Khanna, his mobs destroyed the golden statue of Sri Darbar Sahib at Amritsar railway station and they also got the photo of Guru Ram Das Ji and burnt it with cigarettes. The slogans Harbans Lal Khanna used against the Sikhs were:

“Duki Tiki Rehen Nahi Deni
Siir Te Pagri Rehen Nahi Deni!
Kangha, Kara, Kachera, Kirpan
Ehnu Pejo Pakistan!”

The Indian law never charged Harbans Lal Khanna for his racist slogans. On 1st April 1984 from the second floor of Guru Ram Das Langar Hall, Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale spoke out against the attacks on Sikhs by the groups of Harbans Lal Khanna. The message Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale sent to Harbans Lal Khanna and the Sikh nation was:

“In Haryana 24 saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji were burnt. Six gurudwaras were also burnt. Twelve trucks and two cars of the Sikhs were burnt. Hundred and 25 singhs hair were forcefully cut and sent to me. Three Sikh girls were made to stand naked on the main road for 2 hours. For seven days this kept on happening. They have insulted our Sikh girls. The girls are crying, no one was saving them on the main road. Till the culprits are not punished, I will not rest. Also this message has been sent to Bhajan Lal, that he can live in the middle of the ocean but I will definitely meet him at whatever cost

• 1984 Harbans Lal Khanna, a former M.L.A. and B.J.P.’s Amritsar district president, is shot dead along with his bodyguard. Eight Sikhs were killed and nine were injured during the funeral procession the next day.

The Hindu mobs under the command of Harbans Lal Khanna did many protests against the Sikhs in Amritsar, in which the Hindu racist mobs would attack Sikhs and their businesses as well as Sikh gurudwaras. Under the command of Harbans Lal Khanna, his mobs destroyed the golden statue of Sri Darbar Sahib at Amritsar railway station and they also got the photo of Guru Ram Das Ji and burnt it with cigarettes. The slogans Harbans Lal Khanna used against the Sikhs were:

The Indian law never charged Harbans Lal Khanna for his racist slogans. On 1st April 1984 from the second floor of Guru Ram Das Langar Hall, Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale spoke out against the attacks on Sikhs by the groups of Harbans Lal Khanna. The message Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale sent to Harbans Lal Khanna and the Sikh nation was:

“Duki Tiki Rehen Nahi Deni
Siir Te Pagri Rehen Nahi Deni!
Kangha, Kara, Kachera, Kirpan
Ehnu Pejo Pakistan!”

“In Haryana 24 saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji were burnt. Six gurudwaras were also burnt. Twelve trucks and two cars of the Sikhs were burnt. Hundred and 25 singhs hair were forcefully cut and sent to me. Three Sikh girls were made to stand naked on the main road for 2 hours. For seven days this kept on happening. They have insulted our Sikh girls. The girls are crying, no one was saving them on the main road. Till the culprits are not punished, I will not rest. Also this message has been sent to Bhajan Lal, that he can live in the middle of the ocean but I will definitely meet him at whatever cost”.

Edited April 23, 2014 by amar_jkp

[Amarjeet Singh_1737]

Whosoever has written this piece is highly biased. As any neutral observer would agree, the writer of the piece is indulging in a fanatical rant as he/she is ignoring some basic facts about India and its democracy. The writer is also ignoring the ugly realities of bangladesh and Islam practiced there. If his BD was so better, India would not be burdened with millions of bangladeshi illegal immigrants.

Also, Amarjeetji, apni manjhi haithan sotta maro. Do some self-analysis. Casteism is not peculiar to Hindu faiths. What Jats are doing to other castes in Punjab is definitely not Gurmat. Jats are the new brahmins, Rajputs and banias combined.

When the writer of the quoted piece slanders India, he slanders Sikhs too.

Ravidassis gave up Sikhi few years back. when Ambedkar decided to give up Hinduism, his first option was (supported by Hindu political and spiritual leaders) Sikhi but he soon realised that Sikhi was no diff from the faith/s he was quitting along with lakhs of his followers. he chose buddhism eventually. Mazhabis are abandoning Sikhi for chritistianity in the border districts.

Just a few days back, a 'high-caste' dharam parchark or 'alleged' gyani compared the so-called low castes with toilet water in a Sangat TV debate and that too in UK!! Imagine what they are doing to the LCs in their pinds.

you are cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Why don't we get to the root cause of the problem which arises from Hinduism itself. After all before running around with your garbage of 'Hindu this, Hindu that' you should consider revamping your own ideology at the very least before pointing fingers. Once again you attempt to derail the entire thread by digressing from the topic, experiences of Sikhs during the Punjabi Suba movement, to one regarding the validity of sources other than your 'hours of research' on wikipedia. Caste, it's beginning and influence, has already been discussed before on this forum where you as per normal attempted to de-rail the entire thread with your nonsense. Before 'bursting delusional bubbles' maybe you should burst your own narcissist bubble. Here is a quote from Dr. Ambedkar regarding caste, and it's fundamental importance in Hinduism. ' But that cannot mean that they would thereby reach a position where they would be free and equal. , without being above and below any one else, for the simple reason that the Hindu religion does not recognise the principle of equality of social status : on the other hand it fosters inequality by insisting upon grading people as Brahmins, Kshatrias, Vaishyas and Shudras, which now stand toward one another in an ascending scale of hatred and descending scale of contempt. If the Hindu Religion is to be a religion of social equality then an amendment of its code to provide temple entry is not enough. What is required is to purge it of the doctrine of chaturvarna. That is the root cause of all inequality and also the parent of the Caste system and Untouchability, which are merely forms of inequality.' Here's the source, http://ambedkarquotes.wordpress.com/, maybe if Hinduism had been reformed then there would have been no need for him to face away from Sikhi, since caste would not have been present in it's psyche. The ultimate degradation of humanity commenced with Hinduism and now runs rife in all sub-continental faiths.

[amar_jkp]

Why do you hate Hindi so much? is it your hate for the language or the Devnagari script? If it is the language then you must be hating all sikh holy books too as they are mostly in Hindi-related dialects, punjabi dialects are very hard to separate from those.

Going by your logic, all the traffic signs in Delhi should not have gurmukhi script as 90% population does not understand the script and it makes the traffic sign too cramped anyway (English, Hindi and Urdu also used). in Punjab,on the other hand, the traffic signs inc huge overhead boards are in Gurmukhi and English. lakhs of tourists and visitors who cannot understand English (and Gurmukhi of course) can go and get stuffed.

Language chauvinism at its worst.

We dont hate any language , we want punjabi in gurmukhi script should be implemented in Punjab . Hindi is in many states why Punjabi Hindus cant tolerate Gurmukhi ? Why you people want to oppose every Sikh demand . Lakhs of tourist also go to south India where is Hindi is hardly spoken by people still tourist manage . When south and Marathis Hindu are proud of mother ttheir mother tongue why not you people ? Special panel of expert people should be set up to understand the psyche of Punjabi Hindus , i believe there is something seriously wrong with these guys .

[amar_jkp]

You are wrong my friend and indulging in too many sweeping generlaisations and, basically, ignorance.

I would give you just one example (even though their are twenty or more) where agitations for the creation of a separate state are going on for so many decades - telangana.

The agitation for sep Telangana have been going on for over 50 years. thousands have died. 100s of youths have committed suicides for telangana and now they have agreed to carve out Telangana out of Andhra pradesh.

Want more examples?

What you want to prove , how can you justify anti sikh violence by Hindus during Punjabi Suba movement . When you are going to accept what all happened in Punjab is because of punjabi hindus .

[JungChamkaur]

Like I have said many times: You cannot blame a whole community for the actions of a few people or the government.

This is what my Congress-supporting friend said to me: "Why do you people keep voting for the Akalis when you know they distribute heroine, cocaine, crack and alcohol?"

.... You guys are so stupid and pathetic its embarrassing. Your not even real Sikhs, your just losers who are unable to think critically. This is what "Punjabi Hindus" (the group that is apparently Homogenous) could say to us: "Everything wrong in Punjab right now is because of Sikhs who cant stop voting for the Akali Dal and Badal's Gang of criminals. Drugs, Rape, Prostitution, Land-grab, SGPC, Usurpation of All Gurukar Donations = Badal. Badal= Akali Dal + SGPC = Sikh Votes = Blame the Sikhs as a whole.....

This is why no one takes us seriously. At the one hand we have people saying our problems are not to be considered as Sikh vs. Hindu, then we have govt-sponsored people saying it is Sikh vs. Hindu and we have FOOLS who have bought the propaganda and argue that the problems we face are all because of Punjabi Hindus... Then another guy shows up and shows pictures of Hindu Khadkus of the 80s... (in another thread on this website).

Until losers like Amar JKP and all of his buffoons stop perpetuating this "Religious conflict narrative", we are never going to get any credibility and achieve any goals. The moment we get an understanding from other communities we have losers like you who show up and make us look like fanatic, right-wing, anti-Hindu fools. Your no better than the RSS, your just our community's version of the RSS.

Also, like the "Punjabi Hindus" who are apparently united and homogenous and against their Punjabi language, you are the Sikhs who seem to forget that we are biologically, religiously, socially, and culturally closer to the Punjabi Hindus than to anyone else. Especially since we were all once Punjabi Hindus. There is no difference between you and the "Hindus" you hate.

There is absolutely NO HOPE for us.. AT ALL. We will NEVER get any credibility or recognition from any other community because of losers like you. Your like the blind sheep Hutu of Rwanda who blamed the Tutsis for their problems. You get mad when Hindus believe government propaganda but you fall for anti-Hindu propaganda in one second and perpetuate it. You say they should not believe their stupid media but you are exactly what the media shows: a dumass loser guy who seems to be Sikh and is anti-Hindu and blames the Hindus for everything. You think that some slogans by the "Hindu" parties of India represent the hindus voice? You think those parties are an organic voice? You clown. Dont you know anything? Dont you know that all of the parties act in concert? Why do you think we need the AAP? Why do you think we need a better govt?

Im so tired of coward, fanatic, ignorant, losers coming here and blaming all Punjabi Hindus. Why dont you ever look in the mirror and realize how stupid you are? Your the reason no one listens! You, Badal, the government, and "Sikh police officers" are to be blamed for the problems of Punjab. The losers who think according to religious, ethnic, caste etc- lines are the root of the problems of Punjab and India.

I did not see normal Hindus attacking Sikhs in the Punjabi Suba movement. You stupid clown. Should we say "The Sikhs attacked Kejriwal" if a few paid thugs of Badal attack him? Doesnt your dumass know that the people shown on TV are not normal Hindus but actually paid goons and party workers who put on the cloak of "Hindu" to portray issues as inter-religious conflicts? You clowns piss me off so much. You think your some genius. Your nothing but a truck-yard scholar at best. Go back to the truck yard or taxi lot and talk to the dumass uncles who have been voting for the "Panth" their whole life and perpetuating the problems of Punjab. Thats where 99% of the fools on this website belong. Hindu this, Hindu that.... ten years from now, the "hindus" are going to say "the Sikhs this, the Sikhs that" as they talk about Badal's actions. Lets see how fools like you defend our integrity then.

[amar_jkp]

Like I have said many times: You cannot blame a whole community for the actions of a few people or the government.

This is what my Congress-supporting friend said to me: "Why do you people keep voting for the Akalis when you know they distribute heroine, cocaine, crack and alcohol?"

.... You guys are so stupid and pathetic its embarrassing. Your not even real Sikhs, your just losers who are unable to think critically. This is what "Punjabi Hindus" (the group that is apparently Homogenous) could say to us: "Everything wrong in Punjab right now is because of Sikhs who cant stop voting for the Akali Dal and Badal's Gang of criminals. Drugs, Rape, Prostitution, Land-grab, SGPC, Usurpation of All Gurukar Donations = Badal. Badal= Akali Dal + SGPC = Sikh Votes = Blame the Sikhs as a whole.....

This is why no one takes us seriously. At the one hand we have people saying our problems are not to be considered as Sikh vs. Hindu, then we have govt-sponsored people saying it is Sikh vs. Hindu and we have FOOLS who have bought the propaganda and argue that the problems we face are all because of Punjabi Hindus... Then another guy shows up and shows pictures of Hindu Khadkus of the 80s... (in another thread on this website).

Until losers like Amar JKP and all of his buffoons stop perpetuating this "Religious conflict narrative", we are never going to get any credibility and achieve any goals. The moment we get an understanding from other communities we have losers like you who show up and make us look like fanatic, right-wing, anti-Hindu fools. Your no better than the RSS, your just our community's version of the RSS.

Also, like the "Punjabi Hindus" who are apparently united and homogenous and against their Punjabi language, you are the Sikhs who seem to forget that we are biologically, religiously, socially, and culturally closer to the Punjabi Hindus than to anyone else. Especially since we were all once Punjabi Hindus. There is no difference between you and the "Hindus" you hate.

There is absolutely NO HOPE for us.. AT ALL. We will NEVER get any credibility or recognition from any other community because of losers like you. Your like the blind sheep Hutu of Rwanda who blamed the Tutsis for their problems. You get mad when Hindus believe government propaganda but you fall for anti-Hindu propaganda in one second and perpetuate it. You say they should not believe their stupid media but you are exactly what the media shows: a dumass loser guy who seems to be Sikh and is anti-Hindu and blames the Hindus for everything. You think that some slogans by the "Hindu" parties of India represent the hindus voice? You think those parties are an organic voice? You clown. Dont you know anything? Dont you know that all of the parties act in concert? Why do you think we need the AAP? Why do you think we need a better govt?

Im so tired of coward, fanatic, ignorant, losers coming here and blaming all Punjabi Hindus. Why dont you ever look in the mirror and realize how stupid you are? Your the reason no one listens! You, Badal, the government, and "Sikh police officers" are to be blamed for the problems of Punjab. The losers who think according to religious, ethnic, caste etc- lines are the root of the problems of Punjab and India.

I did not see normal Hindus attacking Sikhs in the Punjabi Suba movement. You stupid clown. Should we say "The Sikhs attacked Kejriwal" if a few paid thugs of Badal attack him? Doesnt your dumass know that the people shown on TV are not normal Hindus but actually paid goons and party workers who put on the cloak of "Hindu" to portray issues as inter-religious conflicts? You clowns piss me off so much. You think your some genius. Your nothing but a truck-yard scholar at best. Go back to the truck yard or taxi lot and talk to the dumass uncles who have been voting for the "Panth" their whole life and perpetuating the problems of Punjab. Thats where 99% of the fools on this website belong. Hindu this, Hindu that.... ten years from now, the "hindus" are going to say "the Sikhs this, the Sikhs that" as they talk about Badal's actions. Lets see how fools like you defend our integrity then.

Here comes another Bharat Mata da puttar who doesn't want to believe in reality and want to close his eyes like pigeon . I have explained each and every thing but coward, hindu lovers doesn't want to understand . I have spent many years in Haryana and Delhi and i very well know what normal punjabi Hindu think of Sikhs . Better you come out of punjab and see outside whats happening . Problem of Sikhs is HIndu and Sikh issues and people who have observe events since 1947 would be agree with me . God saves us from Fudus like you its just because of you type some Sikhs still think that asking for our rights we did mistake and that's why anti Sikhs riots happened . Even i am sick and tired of you fools who comes out on sites and behaving like avtaar of Mahatam Gandhi and telling Sikhs that its your mistake dont say anything to Hindus what happened was done by government blah blah blah . Look around whats happening in India , how a muslim killers has been give a demi god status and slogans of HAR HAR Modi . Badal and Punjab police is nothing they all are part of Hindu India system which need to be broken , look what happened in Bhai Gurbakh Singh khalsa case and on the other Anna Hazzare fast .

[amar_jkp]

jungchamkaur has correctly portrayed you and others who have one point agenda. hate Hindu, hindi and India.

Anyway, since i would be accused of crossing the parameters afforded to a Hindu on this forum, I would stick to answering the question you have asked.

What I want to prove is that there have been much more violent agitations in India than PSM. There have been many agitations (launched by indians whom you hate as one homogenous unit named Hindu) which were crushed by the, as you would like to call, the Hindu governments. If 4-5 people died in police action (what you have labelled as "anti sikh violence by Hindus during Punjabi Suba movement") 100s (if not 1000s) have died for telangana.

When YOU are going to accept that whatever happened in Punjab is because of the communal politics (inc terrorism) led by Sikhs?

Punjabi suba movement was a communal campaign to usurp power in Punjab and the masterminds have succeeded spectacularly as Punjab is a quasi Sikh state now. Punjabi Suba movement succeeded in its sectarian goals as it was aided by Hindu bigots who stuffed it up big time.

Let talk more on this whatever happened in Punjab is because of the communal politics (inc terrorism) led by Sikhs?

I believe its way around its because of your kind punjab suffer a lot . I have given enough evidence on it and will provide you more but just like typical punjabi lala you will not accept dont you ?

[amar_jkp]

A MISCHIEF AT NAKODAR

FEBRUARY 2, 1986

INTRODUCTION

The news of burning of sacred "Birs" of Guru Granth Sahib in Guru Arjun Dev Gurdwara in Guru Nanak Pura Mohalla, of Nakodar in Jalandhar District spread like wild fire on February 2, 1986. There was a spontaneous strike to protest against the desecration of the holy Granth in the town that

day. On February 3, 1986, lawyers stayed away Courts and students abstained from educational institutions. On a call by the Akali Dals' a prot

est march was organised jointly by the Sikh and Hindu communities. Citizens, including women and children participated in the procession. A strike was observed in the town.

[amar_jkp]

Shiv Sena plans march

The Punjab Hindu Shiv Sena wanted to take out a procession but the authorities thought it prudent to clamp curfew at 7:00 PM on February 3. Baba Joginder Singh and the Shiv Sena leader, Rama-

kant Jalota, arrived at Nakodar the same day but the Baba left the town at 5:30 PM The same night the police arrested 12 Sena activists who were

violating curfew restrictions and moving around with unsheathed swords.

Earlier, on February 3, some Sikh youths staged a dharna (protest) outside the Police station and the Bus Stand demanding the arrest of local Shiv

Sena leader Mr. Romesh Chopra alias Khan, a vegetable commission agent, who, they alleged, was responsible for the fire. At about 4.00 PM a

large number of villagers joined the youths and sieged the police station and demanded the arrest of the alleged arsonists. The District Magistrate, Mr. S. C. Aggarwal and the Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP), Mr.

Izhar Alam rushed to the town with Police re-enforcement. There

was tension in the town. It ulti-mately led to firing by the Police on February 4, 1986, killing at least four persons and injuring

many more, for which the Punjab Government announced a judicial inquiry. The All India Sikh Students Federation (AISSF) rejected the inquiry and called it as "a mere eyewash." The Federation

demanded registration of criminal cases against the Deputy Inspector General of Police (DIG) and police officers responsible for killing the people. They denied the official version of "four deaths" and added that many more persons had died and over two dozen injured. The Federation

observed "Black Day" on February 8, 1986, and asked the Chief Minister to resign on the ground of his failure to control the police force which had killed "innocent Sikh youths."

[amar_jkp]

I. B. man visits Nakodar

The Committee examined Mr. Sukhdev Singh Sandhu. Mr. Ravinder Singh, Mr. Sudarshan Singh Bains, Mr. Varinderpal Singh and Mr. C J Jain, Advocates; Mr. Romesh Chopra alias Khan, Mr. Mohan Singh Sectional Officer (SO) of the Punjab Works Department (PWD), Mr. Swaran Singh, Mr. Tejinder Singh, Mr. Jatinder Singh, Mr. Gurinder Singh, Mr. Pritu Balmiki, Mr. Bachittar Singh, Mr. Mohinder Singh, Mr. Sohan Singh, Bhai Sukhchain Singh Granthi, Mr. Simratpal Singh, Mrs. Gurdip Kaur wife of the Granthi, Mr. Prem Sagar, Municipal ommissioner, Piara Singh, Ex-President Gurdwara and Mr. Vijay Nayar of the Shiv Sena. Observations of several other persons who did not want to disclose their identity were also recorded. A witness claimed that on February 2, he saw Mr. Umrao Singh, a Congress (1) leader along with

Mr. Ranjit Singh Bhinder, a DSP of Intelligence Bureau (IB), getting down from a jeep. They entered the house of Pundit Narinder Nath Bhutar

a alias "Nindo." Pundit Nindo is said to be a patron of the Shiv Sena and a close confidant of Mr. Darbara Singh, the former Chief Minister of

Punjab. Mr. Nindo had also acted as Election in-charge of Mr. Darbara Singh in the past. After Mr. Umrao Singh and the IB person left the town the Shiv Sena workers from outside started reaching the town.

According to Mr. Mohan Singh, (SO, PWD), when the news of the influx of Sena workers reached the villages, about 40-50 persons reached

the outskirts of Nakodar where the DSP of Nakodar, Mr. Gopal Singh Ghuman advised them to go back. He told them that they could not

be allowed to go inside the town due to curfew restrictions and assured them that the Gurdwaras were safe. Upon which they returned to their homes. Mr. Ramesh Chopra alias Khan admitted that he was regarded as a prime suspect from the very first day as he had been informed by Mr. Prem

Sagar, the Municipal Commissioner (MC) the same evening. He added that the Sikhs had given an ultimatum to the police to arrest him by 6.00 PM on

February 3. He had therefore, collected Shiv Sena activists in Moha

lla Tandona and took out a procession at 6.30 PM in a show of his strength while raising inflammatory slogans, "Jai Shiv

Shakti, Jai Trishul." The administration imposed curfew restrictions immediately

[amar_jkp]

Mr. Romesh Chopra denied that Mr. R. K. Jalota had stayed with Pundit N. N. Bhutara, he did not allow Bhutara's entry into the Mandir Devi Talab, the headquarters of the Shiv Sena and that no activists from outside, except Jalota and Sarwal, had entered the town. He further denied his hand in the fire incident and said that he held the Holy Granth in reverence. He alleged that Mr. Jaswant Singh, Jathedar Iqbal Singh, and Mr. Ra

vinder Singh, Advocate, instigated the villagers against him.

On the other hand, Mr. Ravinder Singh, Advocate, alleged that the Sikhs suspected Mr. Chopra to be a culprit and the authorities had connived with the culprits. Accusing finger at Darbara-Balwant A few senior Hindu Advocates of the Nakodar Bar Association revealed that on the night of

February 7, 1986, a similar incident took place in the Shankar village Gurdwara where the culprit had been allegedly captured red-handed and handed over to the Police. He was said to be a Hindu from UP in the garb of Sikh and was let off.Mr. Umrao Singh and Mr. Swaran Singh belong to this village.

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[JungChamkaur]

You stupid losers actually think all of India's Hindus were OK with the Har Har Modi Slogan? LMAO! And since I could not reply to the other losers on this forum about Patiala and many Sikhs allying with the British in 1857, Ill do it here: I never said Fudu Ala Singh was against Maharaja Ranjit Singh.... but then again it doesnt matter because he was Abdali's daughter. Your all losers if you think that Hindus are a homogenous group who are all anti-Sikh. You have bought the rhetoric of the govt and you are hence pawns of the lowest grade that will never do more than bicker online. You are our own version of the RSS... go back to your truckyards and talk there.

[amar_jkp]

You stupid losers actually think all of India's Hindus were OK with the Har Har Modi Slogan? LMAO! And since I could not reply to the other losers on this forum about Patiala and many Sikhs allying with the British in 1857, Ill do it here: I never said Fudu Ala Singh was against Maharaja Ranjit Singh.... but then again it doesnt matter because he was Abdali's daughter. Your all losers if you think that Hindus are a homogenous group who are all anti-Sikh. You have bought the rhetoric of the govt and you are hence pawns of the lowest grade that will never do more than bicker online. You are our own version of the RSS... go back to your truckyards and talk there.

Here comes fudu again , for your kind information i dont drive truck and comes out of your wonderland . Majority of Hindus declare hindi as their mother tongue is a fact . People like you who are insult to Sikh have no right to come to sikh forums go attend RSS parade and shout Bharat mata ke jai , bahman devta ke jai . Pata ne saale fudu kitho aa jande ne

[OnPathToSikhi]

India has a Sikh Prime minister for the last TEN years (one of the longest tenures) and two chief of the Army Staff inc the current one. Our economy is in the hands of a Sikh (montek Singh Ahluwalia). what else you want? Indians have given the leadership of their union government, economy and defence to Sikhs and you are here moaning about denial of rights to them!!

Sikhs are there in such positions because of their own merit. "..Indians have given the leadership.." ? India is distributing "leadership" in gift hampers? Mr. Clown, time to start waking up and seeing the reality without your skewed perceptions ...

Edited April 26, 2014 by OnPathToSikhi

[BhagatSingh]

Sikhs are there in such positions because of their own merit. "..Indians have given the leadership.." ? India is distributing "leadership" in gift hampers? Mr. Clown, time to start waking up and seeing the reality without your skewed perceptions ...

- democracy

- being able to rise to such positions means their rights are intact

- sikhs are seen favourably in the media (this change is now visible in bollywood)

A few more points:

- sikhs don't face racism back home as they do in western countries

- turbans have good image in india and turbaned people (read: sikhs, Sardar ji) are respected, no such thing exists in the west

- can ride bikes in turbans, no laws prevent them from doing so

- our culture is much stronger in India, very diluted in teh west

So what?

The point is Sikhs are better off in India than they are in JuK, Mrica and Cneda.

And those folks who think otherwise are being fed with propaganda by certain people who cannot digest this.

Edited April 26, 2014 by BhagatSingh