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Could someone please explain what he is saying. The terminology is making it hard to understand.
How do you know when your Behkari is perfected? and when to start swaas swaas? When you see prakash? Is he saying something about that?

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Then due to ignorance when it goes on the path of Shej and is awakened then eventually the Lord speaks and there is a very loud blast/tumbhakha. For example when a plane takes off, the blast/roar from the engine can break the glass of doors windows. In this way when the Lord roars inside you it is louder. If one does not know this and one has not done rom-rom simran then the Mind cannot withstand it and the mind can be made unstable.

By following the stages outlined when the Lord speaks and rom-rom is manifest and one is in Shej, then he has the power to withstand it in the body. The first time it happens to a person he is shaken because it happens unexpectedly, but if one has knowledge, when the Lord speaks then he has the power/shakti to handle it in the body. Therefore on the journey anytime the Lord can speak to you and it will feel like the head is going explode, like the roof has flown off because the sound is so loud. At this time don’t panic, sometimes even light can also manifest. Just think the Lord has spoken and has come to the level of our mind in our body.

Like the pangtis:

The Panch Shabad, the Five Primal Sounds, vibrate with the Wisdom of the Guru`s Teachings; by great good fortune, the Unstruck Melody resonates and resounds.

panchay sabad vajay mat gurmat vadbhaagee anhad vaji-aa.

I see the Lord, the Source of Bliss, everywhere; through the Word of the Guru`s Shabad, the Lord of the Universe is revealed.

aanad mool raam sabh daykhi-aa gur sabdee govind gaji-aa.

Therefore don’t stay awake too much, stay in the dhyaan state. Ahead when there is Parkash, you go and sit in Truth/Sach, sometimes the Lord wants to speak with you and comes and awakens you and calls out you. Here one does not talk themselves until Waheguru himself calls out to you within. When he does call out to you, then you are in the awakened/jagrath state, you are in front of one another, then you can talk about whatever you wish.

In this way the place with Gost/Conversation takes place is ahead of Amritsar, where there is parkash of the jyot where the Lord is in the Shej ghar himself, where the Gurmukh’s go and talk with the Lord.

Just thought I'd share that last night I woke up in the middle of the night all of sudden to the sound of a really loud constant horn "Thhuuuuuuuu" being heard from my right ear. It was ever so loud and really distinct. I have heard a finer variation of this before but this one was much more deeper. Lasted for a few minutes and then slowly faded away as I tried to focus my consciousness on it. I know I was dreaming just before I woke up. Not sure if that has anything to do with it.

I will never forget that blast in my ears that night because I was awoken so suddenly to an excruciating loud pain and had to hold my ears to try and cope. It was just like described above. It happened on two consecutive nights.

Maybe he came but I couldn't handle the experience. My god that was 7 months ago and he never came back.

WaheGurooooooooooooo!!!!!!

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We have truly lost the plot Veeray!! :unsure: Mega LOL

When I had my experience my wife jumped up from the bed as I screamed in shock.

She said, "Whats wrong?"

"Didn't you hear that?" , I asked with my hands over my ears.

"Hear What?" she replied.

"That loud Sound!"

"No.", she said half dozed.

That's when I knew it was one sided.

Make sure you let us know what happens Lucky when your time comes. You have done it the right way with having your Rom-Rom pargat first, hopefully you will be able to withstand it.

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Many thanks Truthseeker for sharing this gem recording. Was very interesting to hear sant ji also explaining the importance of sukhmana jaap. His technique was to keep doing the jaap until the breath naturally comes to the spot or monument in time when your breathing between both left/Ida and right/pinguala. At that centre breathing time your Surat will connect more with the shabad. Waheguru

As for the pataka/burst sound, I not sure what to say as I'm kind of left speechless at this moment in time. It's very reassuring to hear from numerous sources that it does happen on the path. I didn't appreciate it at the time and on the contrary thought something was very wrong with me. May Waheguru ji forever keep us all on the correct path all the way till we reach his lotus feet.

Dhan hai the sangat of this forum as we are all helping each other understand and progress further ahead. Waheguru di kirpa on you all.

  • 2 weeks later...
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I was reading the following lines from Ang 1331 and the pangti about enduring the unendurable got me thinking whether it is saying that one has to be able to endure that extremely loud sound and go beyond that stage.

Eating too much, one`s filth only increases; wearing fancy clothes, one`s home is disgraced.

khaa-i-aa mail vaDhaa-i-aa paiDhai ghar kee haan.

Talking too much, one only starts arguments. Without the Name, everything is poison - know this well.

bak bak vaad chalaa-i-aa bin naavai bikh jaan.

O Baba, such is the treacherous trap which has caught my mind; (constant chatter of the mind)

baabaa aisaa bikham jaal man vaasi-aa.

riding out the waves of the storm, it will be enlightened by intuitive wisdom. Pause

bibal jhaag sahj pargaasi-aa. rahaa-o.

Those who have God`s spiritual wisdom within, are known to be very rare.

tay nar virlay jaanee-ahi jin antar gi-aan muraar.

They endure the unendurable, and the Nectar of the Lord, the Embodiment of Bliss, trickles into them continuously.

ajar jarai neejhar jharai amar anand saroop.

The Well is high up in the Tenth Gate; the Ambrosial Nectar flows, and I drink it in.

oopar koop gagan panihaaree amrit peevanhaaraa.

The rays of light spread out, and the heart-lotus joyfully blossoms forth; the sun enters into the house of the moon.

pasree kiran ras kamal bigaasay sas ghar soor samaa-i-aa.

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  • 2 weeks later...
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I was watching Gurmukh Lecture series and Lecture 56 was very inspiring and great knowledge from Sri Guru Granth Sahib.


1st bhavsagar (3 qualities of maya : rajo, sato, tamo)
Crossed over by listening to Gurmantra Gurshabad: WaheGuru

2nd bhavsagar is of the five elements Kal’s desh country jurisdiction (air, water, fire, earth, akash:space)
Crossed over by listening to Naam (sehaj dhune, sacha shabad, anhat shabad) unstruck sound current takes you to the door, dasam duar.


Cross dasam daur, tenth gate, door.
Listening to Naad enter Sacha Mahal, home of truth, mind as Jot, God.
It is all by the Grace of Waheguru that one listens to the sound and by God’s kirpa do we enter Sacha Mahal.

This information is taken from the video starting from 8 minute and 40 second mark

http://youtu.be/ARR5az7O6RY?list=UUmo3Xj6UCA_KLcODU1pGoQg

What is Naad?

(loud blast) Also referred to as Naam
http://www.nijarco.com/how-to-do-meditation-nijarco/
This link which Sat posted in another thread is very good. Shares some very good information and mentions Anhat Naad(NAAM) loud blast.

Forgive me for any mistake I have made,
Waheguru please bless the Gurmukhs who walk the path of Liv.
WJKK WJKF

Sorry for diverting the direction of this thread.

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  • 9 years later...
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On 7/10/2014 at 12:45 AM, Truthseeker said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe08bwKGlQM

Thank you for sharing this. I am very new trying to be this path and always had a question about saas-grass simran vidhi because I always enjoyed the alternate way - saying Waheguru inhaling, pause and Waheguru exhaling - more than the traditional way. This video explains exactly that in first 2 minutes. I still don't know much about that but it did answer for me. Hopefully Sangat here will help me to continue on this path.

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1 hour ago, lost_since_4ever said:

Thank you for sharing this. I am very new trying to be this path and always had a question about saas-grass simran vidhi because I always enjoyed the alternate way - saying Waheguru inhaling, pause and Waheguru exhaling - more than the traditional way. This video explains exactly that in first 2 minutes. I still don't know much about that but it did answer for me. Hopefully Sangat here will help me to continue on this path.

Any possible way you wanna time Vaheguru with your breathing is a okay. The fact it's in your breath mind and heart is the main point. 

I vary it based on my breathing needs and if I'm trying to slow down. Making a full Vaheguru on each inhale and exhale when trying to slow my breathing and get big healthy breaths going. 

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I'm mildly sceptical of anything not in Gurbani. Gurbani says Jaap naam and Love God, surrender head, do seva, fight for innocence, doesn't mention a lot of the meditation yoga details we surround it with. 

Which are perfectly fine to enjoy...just saying probably not fundamental if it's not in Gurbani. 

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If we apply naval seal breathing to it, it'd be slow full inhale "Vaheguru", slow full exhale "Vaheguru", and still breath pause of the same time frame while mentally saying "Vaheguru". Tactical Simran. 😂 

 

Hmm this one looks like two holds. I think david goggins or someone did the one I first saw. 

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I think it is basically called a box breathing.

 

Btw, one more thing that really helped me recently is I found a very short book titled "Two Talks on Japa" by Swami Dayanand Saraswati. Two important things I've learned from the book are:

1. Why do we do jap or simran?

2. What is the significance of pause in simran? Had a very big question about this since I've been learning from PMKC sangat about pausing a bit between saying "Wah" and "Guru".

Highly recommend it.

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On 7/6/2014 at 1:38 AM, Ragmaala said:

I came across this video, just wanted to share it. Please share your thoughts.

 

 

I don't understand this, he even explains how to say Wa-he-gu-ru, and then when he starts saying to do saas girhaas in the end, they start doing wa-eh-Guru, just like pkmc does now???!!! 

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On 6/7/2024 at 6:37 AM, lost_since_4ever said:

I think it is basically called a box breathing.

 

Btw, one more thing that really helped me recently is I found a very short book titled "Two Talks on Japa" by Swami Dayanand Saraswati. Two important things I've learned from the book are:

1. Why do we do jap or simran?

2. What is the significance of pause in simran? Had a very big question about this since I've been learning from PMKC sangat about pausing a bit between saying "Wah" and "Guru".

Highly recommend it.

I would be extremely wary of believing or doing anything connected with Swami Dayanand. He had the following to say about Guru Nanak sahib - 

He regarded Guru Nanak as "rogue", who was quite ignorant about Vedas, Sanskrit, Shashtra, and otherwise Nanak wouldn't be mistaken with words. He further said that followers of Sikhism are to be blamed for making up stories that Nanak possessed miraculous powers and met God.

if your Guru is Guru Nanak, you would follow his path. - as Guru Arjan Dev says, ‘Har Aarad naa Janeya rea, Har Har Gur Gur Karta Rea..

ਸੋਰਠਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
Sorat'h, Fifth Mehla:

ਕੋਟਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ਕੋ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸਰਬ ਜੀਆ ਕਾ ਦਾਤਾ ਰੇ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲੈ ਨਿਤ ਸਾਰਿ ਸਮਾਲੈ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਮੂਰਖਿ ਜਾਤਾ ਰੇ ॥੧॥
God is the Lord and Master of millions of universes; He is the Giver of all beings. He ever cherishes and cares for all beings, but the fool does not appreciate any of His virtues. ||1||

ਹਰਿ ਆਰਾਧਿ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ਰੇ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਰੇ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਰਿਓ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲ ਸੁਖ ਸਾਗਰ ਸਰਬ ਘਟਾ ਭਰਪੂਰੀ ਰੇ ॥ ਪੇਖਤ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਦਾ ਹੈ ਸੰਗੇ ਮੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਦੂਰੀ ਰੇ ॥੨॥
I do not know how to worship the Lord in adoration. I can only repeat, ""Lord, Lord, Guru, Guru."" O Dear Lord, I go by the name of the Lord's slave. ||Pause|| The Compassionate Lord is Merciful to the meek, the ocean of peace; He fills all hearts. He sees, hears, and is always with me; but I am a fool, and I think that He is far away. ||2||

ਹਰਿ ਬਿਅੰਤੁ ਹਉ ਮਿਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਵਰਨਉ ਕਿਆ ਜਾਨਾ ਹੋਇ ਕੈਸੋ ਰੇ ॥ ਕਰਉ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਅਪੁਨੇ ਮੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਦੇਹੁ ਉਪਦੇਸੋ ਰੇ ॥੩॥
The Lord is limitless, but I can only describe Him within my limitations; what do I know, about what He is like? I offer my prayer to my True Guru; I am so foolish - please, teach me! ||3||

ਮੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਕੀ ਕੇਤਕ ਬਾਤ ਹੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਪਰਾਧੀ ਤਰਿਆ ਰੇ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਜਿਨ ਸੁਣਿਆ ਪੇਖਿਆ ਸੇ ਫਿਰਿ ਗਰਭਾਸਿ ਨ ਪਰਿਆ ਰੇ ॥੪॥੨॥੧੩॥
I am just a fool, but millions of sinners just like me have been saved. Those who have heard, and seen Guru Nanak, do not descend into the womb of reincarnation again. ||4||2||13||

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Sorath - 612

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, hsingh6 said:

I would be extremely wary of believing or doing anything connected with Swami Dayanand. He had the following to say about Guru Nanak sahib - 

He regarded Guru Nanak as "rogue", who was quite ignorant about Vedas, Sanskrit, Shashtra, and otherwise Nanak wouldn't be mistaken with words. He further said that followers of Sikhism are to be blamed for making up stories that Nanak possessed miraculous powers and met God.

if your Guru is Guru Nanak, you would follow his path. - as Guru Arjan Dev says, ‘Har Aarad naa Janeya rea, Har Har Gur Gur Karta Rea..

ਸੋਰਠਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
Sorat'h, Fifth Mehla:

ਕੋਟਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ਕੋ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸਰਬ ਜੀਆ ਕਾ ਦਾਤਾ ਰੇ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲੈ ਨਿਤ ਸਾਰਿ ਸਮਾਲੈ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਮੂਰਖਿ ਜਾਤਾ ਰੇ ॥੧॥
God is the Lord and Master of millions of universes; He is the Giver of all beings. He ever cherishes and cares for all beings, but the fool does not appreciate any of His virtues. ||1||

ਹਰਿ ਆਰਾਧਿ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ਰੇ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਰੇ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਰਿਓ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲ ਸੁਖ ਸਾਗਰ ਸਰਬ ਘਟਾ ਭਰਪੂਰੀ ਰੇ ॥ ਪੇਖਤ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਦਾ ਹੈ ਸੰਗੇ ਮੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਦੂਰੀ ਰੇ ॥੨॥
I do not know how to worship the Lord in adoration. I can only repeat, ""Lord, Lord, Guru, Guru."" O Dear Lord, I go by the name of the Lord's slave. ||Pause|| The Compassionate Lord is Merciful to the meek, the ocean of peace; He fills all hearts. He sees, hears, and is always with me; but I am a fool, and I think that He is far away. ||2||

ਹਰਿ ਬਿਅੰਤੁ ਹਉ ਮਿਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਵਰਨਉ ਕਿਆ ਜਾਨਾ ਹੋਇ ਕੈਸੋ ਰੇ ॥ ਕਰਉ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਅਪੁਨੇ ਮੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਦੇਹੁ ਉਪਦੇਸੋ ਰੇ ॥੩॥
The Lord is limitless, but I can only describe Him within my limitations; what do I know, about what He is like? I offer my prayer to my True Guru; I am so foolish - please, teach me! ||3||

ਮੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਕੀ ਕੇਤਕ ਬਾਤ ਹੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਪਰਾਧੀ ਤਰਿਆ ਰੇ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਜਿਨ ਸੁਣਿਆ ਪੇਖਿਆ ਸੇ ਫਿਰਿ ਗਰਭਾਸਿ ਨ ਪਰਿਆ ਰੇ ॥੪॥੨॥੧੩॥
I am just a fool, but millions of sinners just like me have been saved. Those who have heard, and seen Guru Nanak, do not descend into the womb of reincarnation again. ||4||2||13||

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Sorath - 612

 

 

 

 

Yeah. We lied about his hand being imprinted in rock so much....the rock....melted

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