SikhKhoj Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) A topic that is not often brought up but is still an interesting one; how many manuscripts of the Vaaran are available? When was it first published and on what manuscript is it available? Are there variations?I am talking only about the 40 Vaars and not the late 18th century '41st vaar' (which is not by Bhai Gurdas II by the way) which was appended later on to the text by fools.Years ago I read a discussion on the authenticity of the Vaaran in a book but I don't remember any details. Edited July 30, 2015 by SikhKhoj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 was appended later on to the text by fools.fools? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 One day people like you will start to even question Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsingh8963 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 What is the site turning into. Shanka central 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I often quote from the Vaaran myself, but talking about the manuscripts is no paap.I am researching. You will not see a single distasteful post from me against the Dasam Granth, I try to remain objective in my study and keep the past baggage, assumptions, blind faith aside. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Singh123..., care to reply on the Mal Akhara thread? You might have some info because we share the same views regarding the earlier Gurus also having socio-political teachings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Yes.Go on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I am more interested in the 40 Vaars to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Here are some manuscriptshttp://www.panjabdigilib.org/webuser/searches/mainpage.jsp?CategoryID=3&Searched=bhai+gurdas&typebox=1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Yes, saw that but;A manuscript without background information is not that suitable for research, especially for beginners like us. If a Path had been created we could look in a particular direction and then it is easier to form opinions. Edited July 27, 2015 by SikhKhoj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You have a mal akhara thread? Where is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 BTW Singh123..., over the years I have found enough evidence in Guru Nanaks Bani for the political teachings, some historical facts about Guru Angad out of which mal akharas is an important one. Guru Arjan has lots of miri aspects too, only stuck on Guru Amar Das and Guru Ram Das. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 In the Dehradun paintings of the Gurus (made sometime between the 1660s-1690s) Guru Arjan is depicted carrying a falcon - just like Guru Hargobind. And Guru Gobind Singh in later paintings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Add Guru Tegh Bahadur to the list of falcon carrying Gurus as per (near) contemporary paintings. ^ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 One day people like you will start to even question Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I'm sure someone will get there soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsingh Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 I'm sure someone will get there soon. Already been done Paji by the Congress + Hindutva alliance which has ghost written these books for these new Balmiki + Dera Ballan apartheid Mandir franchises, with the avowed aim of reducing our Qaum to a minority in Punjab by the 2021 census. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 I'm sure someone will get there soon. Remember Bhasaur? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Add Guru Tegh Bahadur to the list of falcon carrying Gurus as per (near) contemporary paintings. ^Didn't Guru Hari Rai ji also carry a falcon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Didn't Guru Hari Rai ji also carry a falcon?Not that I know of. You read it in some book or saw it in some near contemporary painting? But it is possible given the (5th), 6th, 9th and 10th Gurus did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 What Miri aspects are there during Guru Amar Das and Guru Ram Daas time?I have read that Sikhs complained about oppressive Muslims during Guru Amar Das times and the Guru told them to keep forgiving them and living like that, tolerating it till the end i.e. no resistance. This seem in stark contrast to Guru Nanak and Guru Angad (and ofcourse the latter Gurus) and therefore I do not believe in this Sakhi (which I read in some recent book). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Please edit the title of this thread to make it very very specific as title is questioning whole bhai gurdas ji varan, also to avoid this topic being locked. Please provide what exactly needs to discussed regarding the varan from which aspect? historical? theological ? or spiritual? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Just wondering if the manuscripts tally with the currently published Vaaran. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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