ramgharia Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 today i visited ram rai dera it is in my city (dehradun) the practices are all antisikh calling that place related to any sikh guru's son's place will be wrong the walls have hindu gods and godess pictures one of the sacrad place for ram raiyyas is the flag (jhannde ji) there is a pic of guru nanak and in front of pic they have diyya and flowers and some nihangs were sitting there the gaddi ofv ram rai had 4 chawars kept and people were offering prashad there. i had visited the place many times before also there is a very famous fair also held on the 5th day after holy and ends on the 9th day of chaitra shuklapakhs(ram navmi) the dera is under udasis. i had seen many amritdhari sikhs of nearby places visiting there. tody i saw a amritdhari doing seva there. d 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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amardeep Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Can you provide more pictures of the paintings? They are said to be the earliest of the Sikh Gurus commisioned during the lifetime of Guru Tegh Bahadur himself. Is there still a following of Ram Raia sikhs or were they all submerged back into 'mainstream Sikhi' like the Bandai Khalsa and other Sikh sects of history? The architecture of that dera looks quite Islamic. Interesting! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Was ram rai ji not forgiven by 10th master? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Yes he was. It appears that the architecture of the dera is from 1707 - 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 The dera is run by Udasi Sikhs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramgharia Posted December 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 https://youtu.be/VsIvix6Q7yA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paapiman Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 19 hours ago, Koi said: Was ram rai ji not forgiven by 10th master? Yes, he was forgiven, but the bachan of Sri Satguru jee (Eighth master) that he will be burn't alive came to fruition too. Mata Punjab Kaur jee (wife of Baba Ram Rai jee) was installed as the head of the dera, after masands (who were responsible for burning Baba jee's body) were punished. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keerat Singh Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 I have been to the dera aswell. The Dera has two handwritten saroops. One is the saroop taken by Ram Rai to Delhi from which Aurangzeb raised the meaning of the shabad Mithi Musalman kee. If you are from a samparda background, you wont see anything anti Sikhi at the dera. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramgharia Posted January 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) On 12/25/2015 at 11:30 PM, paapiman said: Yes, he was forgiven, but the bachan of Sri Satguru jee (Eighth master) that he will be burn't alive came to fruition too. Mata Punjab Kaur jee (wife of Baba Ram Rai jee) was installed as the head of the dera, after masands (who were responsible for burning Baba jee's body) were punished. Bhul chuk maaf Quote mata punjab kaur ji was not made the head but mehant aud dass of udasi samprada and one of the diciple of baba ji was maid the head. and yes baba ram rai asked for forgiveness and he was forgiven by dasam pita ji. there ia a sakhi that dasam pita met ram rai ji on the banks of river yamuna near by and he was forgiven at that time. after the death of ram rai dasam pita himself punished the masands at the campus of dera Edited January 2, 2016 by ramgharia wrong quote 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramgharia Posted January 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, ramgharia said: On 12/29/2015 at 3:48 AM, Keerat Singh said: If you are from a samparda background, you wont see anything anti Sikhi at the dera. which samprada background you are taking about bhul chuk di khima 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 7 hours ago, ramgharia said: According to a historical source (Gur Balam Sakhian by Bhai Vir Singh jee), Mata Punjab Kaur was made the head of the seat. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramgharia Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 7 hours ago, paapiman said: According to a historical source (Gur Balam Sakhian by Bhai Vir Singh jee), Mata Punjab Kaur was made the head of the seat. Bhul chuk maaf but there at the dera the head after ram rai was mehant aud das who was chosen by mata punjab kaur. and was the 1st gaddi nashin shri mahent of the dera. rest i'll conferm from there site bhul chuk di khima 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramgharia Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 http://www.sgrrdarbar.org/about-us.aspx Quote Quote 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keerat Singh Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Guru Gobind Singh ji appointed a Mahant to do seva at Anandpur Sahib when they left. A Mahant in charge of a Gurdwara is nothing new. I have met Sri Mahant Indiresh Charan Dass ji. A great Sadhu with lots of gian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 On 12/29/2015 at 5:18 PM, Keerat Singh said: If you are from a samparda background, you wont see anything anti Sikhi at the dera. Bro, don't they consider Baba Ram Rai jee as a Satguru? Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramgharia Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 2 hours ago, paapiman said: Bro, don't they consider Baba Ram Rai jee as a Satguru? Bhul chuk maaf http://www.sgrrdarbar.org/shri-mahants.aspx 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramgharia Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 papiman veer ji yes they consider ram rai s satguru. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramgharia Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 19 hours ago, Keerat Singh said: Guru Gobind Singh ji appointed a Mahant to do seva at Anandpur Sahib when they left. A Mahant in charge of a Gurdwara is nothing new. I have met Sri Mahant Indiresh Charan Dass ji. A great Sadhu with lots of gian. i want to see the puratan swaroops of guru sahib at the dera. i had visited the place so many ties but not able to see the saroops can you tell me where they are kept and at what time we sangat can do drshan of those saroops. bhul chuk di khima 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 54 minutes ago, ramgharia said: papiman veer ji yes they consider ram rai s satguru. Thanks bro. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keerat Singh Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 You need to speak to the Mahant for Darshan. I dont know what the current Mahant is like, but previously you would need to speak to the Mahant. The title "guru was given to all teachers. For example even today, you would refer to your music teacher as "Guru". My understanding after meeting Mahant ji many years ago, they do not accept Ram Rai had a separate Gaddi as satguru, but he was seen as the Vidya Guru of the Mahants and therefore the title Guru continued. You will note that the first Mahant does not have the title Guru but Sri Mahant. They also believe in Guru Gobind Singh ji who came and killed the bad Mahants. The Karhaa where the Mahants were killed and hole created to call each Mahant to the place Guru Gobind Singh was, is kept by the Mahants. There was land dispute going off years ago, I do not know if they still have control off that section. From their website it does not look like the current Mahant has changed the above view. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 On 1/5/2016 at 4:48 PM, Keerat Singh said: The title "guru was given to all teachers. Paaji, do they believe that Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) passed Gurgaddi to SSGGSJ? Do they do prakash of SSGGSJ at their Dera? Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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