Ragmaala Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, CdnSikhGirl said: She also has henna on her hands... you are probably right too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I'm sure that NO ONE is insinuating that a women cannot wear a dastar, are they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just now, Koi said: I'm sure that NO ONE is insinuating that a women cannot wear a dastar, are they? I think that is what Kaalka is insinuating, for the reason (in his opinion) that it "masculinizes" women. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 LMFAO. No mehndi no jewellery no make up but turban is fine? Sounds more like a male. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 18 minutes ago, Gunahgar said: Possible. So is the Singh holding his hand out to get the mehndi done from his wife ? Romantic eh. lol 12 minutes ago, Gunahgar said: So I was right it is Surma/Kajal. So basically, the wife is adoring her husband, having his darshana, seeing the rab roop in Him. And in order to highlight those eyes, she is putting kajal in her eyes. Good cultural song though.  Ooooo So that's what it is... I never looked at it that closely but that painting makes more sense now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Koi said: I'm sure that NO ONE is insinuating that a women cannot wear a dastar, are they? Not insinuating, but being blatantly clear. AKAAAL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, CdnSikhGirl said: She also has henna on her hands... Â Nice!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Kaalka said: LMFAO. No mehndi no jewellery no make up but turban is fine? Sounds more like a male. Nah Singhs wore jewelry (also ear-rings), and applied surma to their eyes. Not sure if putting on mehndi on wedding day is a puratan tradition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said: Ooooo So that's what it is... I guess the older generations were more romantic than todays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Gunahgar said: I guess the older generations were more romantic than todays. I don't know. But what I meant was that you did a good analysis. I edited that post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said: Nah Singhs wore jewelry (also ear-rings), and applied surma to their eyes. Not sure if putting on mehndi on wedding day is a puratan tradition. They did! All the males in my family have wore mehndi on their wedding with their Singhni. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Kaalka said: Not insinuating, but being blatantly clear. AKAAAL Well, you will be going against several sampardas rehet maryadas, and also Sikh Rehet Maryada states it's optional so nowhere has it been discouraged for women. In fact it's been the opposite. It's in both Taksal's maryada and Nihang maryada that its required for both male and female. And also AKJ! Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 52 Hukams: 35 Dastaar binaa nahee rehnaa| (doesn't say only men, so women too are required) "Each candidate for Baptism be made to wear kachhehra, tie hair in a topknot and cover the same with dastaar; wear Sri Sahib (i.e. Kirpan) in Gaatra (shoulder belt). Then he/she should stand with folded hands. (Rahitnama Bhai Daya Singh Ji) Taksal Maryada: For the respect of your hair, two turbans are to be tied, tying each layer one at a time. There should be a small turban tied underneath and a larger one tied above this.  Women must not plait their hair and should keep their hair tied in a bun/top-knot, in order to respect your Kesh a small turban should be tied. The Nihang Bibian are dastaardhari, and many contend maintain the original form and discipline of the Khalsa.  Their Nitnem Gutka defines that every Gursikh man and woman (Singh and Singhni is the wording used) should have a blue keski in their hair.  It's fine if you personally won't marry a Singhni who ties one. You can go for a dolled up girl with makeup caked on and jewllery all over, and hairstyles (and most likely hair colour too).  But don't try to dictate what other Singhnis do or the Singhs who actually LOOK for Singhnis who tie dastars! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Gunahgar said: I guess the older generations were more romantic than todays. That explains the large number of children too then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, Kaalka said: That explains the large number of children too then A kala friend of mine once exolained me why they have so many kids, he said that they breed a lot since they don't know which kid will die when and they need someone for their bupada. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Absolutely pathetic to generalise all normal women to be "bimbos" and "dolled up" because they don't tie a male signifier: turban. Maybe that says something about your character while you didnt tie a turban. Theres endless women who we respectable who look like women and not men. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 15 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said: A kala friend of mine once exolained me why they have so many kids, he said that they breed a lot since they don't know which kid will die when and they need someone for their bupada. Well back then child mortality rate was higher. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Women should stay women and not tie paggs. Never did it historically or traditionally, Â only today thanks to the kusre mindset wale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 53 minutes ago, Kaalka said: Women should stay women and not tie paggs. Never did it historically or traditionally,  only today thanks to the kusre mindset wale. I think you are being a bit harsh bro. Let them decide what they want to wear as long as it is modest. However, the other party ( satkirin) should also not enforce the idea that turban is a must . Some times chunni wearing bibi can be spiritually higher than a turban wearing. :)  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, Gunahgar said: I think you are being a bit harsh bro. Let them decide what they want to wear as long as it is modest. However, the other party ( satkirin) should also not enforce the idea that turban is a must . Some times chunni wearing bibi can be spiritually higher than a turban wearing. :)  I never said it was a must. I said SRM states it's optional. However in some rehet maryadas it IS a must. So those taking amrit by those groups have to tie one. AKJ for sure!!! Taksal's maryada says it's a must, as does nihang maryada (and theirs says specifically blue keski). Also Rhetnama of Bhai Daya Singh Ji also says both men and women are to tie one and Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 52 Hukams says everyone must tie one. Take it how you will... If you take Amrit under Akal Takht's SRM then it's optional.  The very fact that it's in there as being optional means there are Singhnis tying them and that it's not discouraged.  Kaalka is just voicing his own opinion and he is focusing only on looks, not spirituality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, CdnSikhGirl said: I never said it was a must. ok good. thanks for clarifying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Sikh women just started wearing turbans since AKJ and this neo Sikh mentality sunk in. Look at bhagat Singh's mom and ask other real sardar families none of their women wore pags. There are instances where people like Mai Bhago did though but that has occurred w rajput women as well and only at the time of war or a last stand. Women have never worn pags 24/7 as these neo Sikh women do. Sikh women wore bindiyan and mehndi and surma too. Men wore earrings and jewellery as well. This new Sikh rehat maryada you keep trumpeting is a new construct. You need to wake up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harjots8963 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 This is a non issue... .Just like everything else we argue about in terms of men vs women here lol. Sant Ji said that we can work through these in house issues AFTERWARDS we have our own home.... I'm not telling you all to jump up and discuss only Khalsa Raaj.... But come on "guys" (Am I going to get in trouble for not acknowledging women? Lol?) There are so many other great threads to explore here like in the Bhakti section.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, Guest said: Sikh women just started wearing turbans since AKJ and this neo Sikh mentality sunk in. Look at bhagat Singh's mom and ask other real sardar families none of their women wore pags. There are instances where people like Mai Bhago did though but that has occurred w rajput women as well and only at the time of war or a last stand. Women have never worn pags 24/7 as these neo Sikh women do. Sikh women wore bindiyan and mehndi and surma too. Men wore earrings and jewellery as well. This new Sikh rehat maryada you keep trumpeting is a new construct. You need to wake up.  Did you even read my post??? TAKSAL Maryada and NIHANG Maryada BOTH state that males AND females have to tie turbans. I said that Sikh Rehet Maryada says its optional. The sampardas that all of you keep touting as being around since Guru Jis time... THEY require women to tie turbans!!!! And yes AKJ does too! But even AKJ has been around for long enough now to be a big part of Sikh history... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Guest said: Sikh women just started wearing turbans since AKJ and this neo Sikh mentality sunk in. Look at bhagat Singh's mom and ask other real sardar families none of their women wore pags. There are instances where people like Mai Bhago did though but that has occurred w rajput women as well and only at the time of war or a last stand. Women have never worn pags 24/7 as these neo Sikh women do. Sikh women wore bindiyan and mehndi and surma too. Men wore earrings and jewellery as well. This new Sikh rehat maryada you keep trumpeting is a new construct. You need to wake up. Spot on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 6 hours ago, Gunahgar said: However, the other party ( satkirin) should also not enforce the idea that turban is a must . Some times chunni wearing bibi can be spiritually higher than a turban wearing. :) I think this is being completely overlooked by the majority 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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