Rock Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 http://dailysikhupdates.com/man-makes-racist-remark-sikh-questioned-denies/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 That was muslim , but sikh sites are known to display wrong information 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJJSingh Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 6 hours ago, kdsingh80 said: That was muslim , but sikh sites are known to display wrong information kdsingh80 ji, I couldn't find any reference to the alleged taunter's religion anywhere. Where did you see a reference to his religion? Just curious, how did you determine that the person is a Muslim? Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted April 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 1 hour ago, IJJSingh said: ust curious, how did you determine that the person is a Muslim? Sardar was asking the 'bhaiya' to swear on Allahs Name, maybe thats why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 6 hours ago, IJJSingh said: kdsingh80 ji, I couldn't find any reference to the alleged taunter's religion anywhere. Where did you see a reference to his religion? Just curious, how did you determine that the person is a Muslim? Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh It was quite popular on facebook and Sikh man was saying " Allah ki kasam khaa"  , its quite clear nobody will say "Allah ki kasam khaa " without knowing the other person is muslim 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 muslim teens throw bombs on the Gurughar ...no reaction..a muslim makes a joke and the Sikh reacts ..the website calls him bhaiya ..i am wondering are the so called Sikh media getting paid or afraid of the sulleh...amazing level of phobia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 7 hours ago, jaikaara said: muslim teens throw bombs on the Gurughar ...no reaction..a muslim makes a joke and the Sikh reacts ..the website calls him bhaiya ..i am wondering are the so called Sikh media getting paid or afraid of the sulleh...amazing level of phobia Nobody knows  who is funding  Sikh media and sikh organisations  outside india.It seems their aim is to spread anti hindu and anti India sentiments. Now lot of them are focusing on refendum 2020  which actually surprise me becasue how on earth you can do referendum sitting outside punjab and deciding whether people of Punjab wants to be part of India or not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 16 hours ago, kdsingh80 said: Nobody knows  who is funding  Sikh media and sikh organisations  outside india.It seems their aim is to spread anti hindu and anti India sentiments. Now lot of them are focusing on refendum 2020  which actually surprise me becasue how on earth you can do referendum sitting outside punjab and deciding whether people of Punjab wants to be part of India or not Very true bhha ji , people who cannot manage a Gurughar in a proper way want to manage a whole mass of land . Simranjit mann starts talking about Jatt land ...Waheguru forbade but even if they create a Khalistan after buying a island they will fight for Jattistan and the Ravidassistan and Mazbhistan...Ramgarhiastan ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Quote how on earth you can do referendum sitting outside punjab and deciding whether people of Punjab wants to be part of India or not because if the average person in Punjab speaks up , he/she is put down , falsely arrested , beaten up , threatened .... so the voice has to come from the outside 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 1 hour ago, DSG said: because if the average person in Punjab speaks up , he/she is put down , falsely arrested , beaten up , threatened .... so the voice has to come from the outside Punjab was 57% sikh in last census most probably down to 55% now, plenty of them are hinduised and Dera going sikhs, there is no way majority of population support khalistan in Punjab , this is just gimic nothing more, even if referendum is conducted what will;  be its outcome? Will UN , USA accept this type of refendum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 2 hours ago, DSG said: because if the average person in Punjab speaks up , he/she is put down , falsely arrested , beaten up , threatened .... so the voice has to come from the outside Even when you choose Akaali Dal for more than 2 terms which is a Sikh religious political party you crib over the same issues. Even during beadbi issues last year the dal khalsa splinter groups hijacked the stage, they hit people from Akali dal who had come to meet the people and even threw away their turbans. Not that i am any supporter of Badal but the thing is everyone there is just wanting to agitate and get poor youth charged up and shot. The players behind all this drama are resting their bums in far away Canada , U.S. or U.K. All that is wanted is let those vilayatis slog their asses wherever they are , leave the people alone and let them earn and learn. Too much of money has gone in the brains and people who have nothing to do then turn to drugs . Even if you were to say that the govt pumps in drugs ..does that get added to the ghyo , kanak and doodh ? People are not fed with drugs , they choose to booze and do drugs . Where i live we have a bhang shop, a opium shop and a wine shop in 3 km radius ..they are all licensed ..does that make me a druggie or a drunkard ? If there are drugs around , there are Gurdwaras around too ..why dont the youth go there ? where is the anakh and the charhdikala gone ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Something has to be done . What do you suggest ? Thats the whole point , trying to change the mindset of the individuals , giving them hope that the future can be bright , Punjab is being killed !!!!! There are many educated  and uneducated people in the pends , no one gives them a platform or an incentive to better their lives. If they get 5 million signatures and , hold a dialogue with the UN , you never know something good may come out of it . I agree up to a point that , running your own state/country requires the utmost planning , good leadership , the people on your side , good trades , business etc... and at the moment these seem non existence. But is it due to the fact the sikhs and other minorities are being oppressed . There may be "diamonds" in the community who want to make a difference , difference only if they are given the opportunity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Quote everyone there is just wanting to agitate and get poor youth charged up and shot This is the whole point , why cannot an individual be charged up , rally , object stand up to in justices ... without being shot . Wheres the freedom of speech ? Quote People are not fed with drugs , they choose to booze and do drugs . Let me ask you a question , why do you think people turn to drugs and drink ?  Quote If there are drugs around , there are Gurdwaras around too True again let me ask you a question , why dont they go to Gurudawaras ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 7 hours ago, DSG said: Something has to be done . What do you suggest ? Thats the whole point , trying to change the mindset of the individuals , giving them hope that the future can be bright , Punjab is being killed !!!!! There are many educated  and uneducated people in the pends , no one gives them a platform or an incentive to better their lives. If they get 5 million signatures and , hold a dialogue with the UN , you never know something good may come out of it . I agree up to a point that , running your own state/country requires the utmost planning , good leadership , the people on your side , good trades , business etc... and at the moment these seem non existence. But is it due to the fact the sikhs and other minorities are being oppressed . There may be "diamonds" in the community who want to make a difference , difference only if they are given the opportunity. You people are just living in dream world , there is no way UN will accept division of any country based on just signatures and that of those people who are not even living in those land. If that will be case then 100s of communities worldwide will submit signature so they can get freedom from their nation.Even the sikh defence minister of Canada said that we don't support division of any country  As far making difference is concerned then those people should come to Punjab and start whatever demands after meeting the people 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 14 hours ago, DSG said: This is the whole point , why cannot an individual be charged up , rally , object stand up to in justices ... without being shot . Wheres the freedom of speech ?Who is Shooting ? Why are they shooting ? . Isnt Akali Dal a Sikh political party ? Let me ask you a question , why do you think people turn to drugs and drink ? Dont tell me that you want the answer to be painkillers True again let me ask you a question , why dont they go to Gurudawaras ?This is something you should know better.  0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Quote You people are just living in dream world , there is no way UN will accept division of any country based on just signatures and that of those people who are not even living in those land. If that will be case then 100s of communities worldwide will submit signature so they can get freedom from their nation.Even the sikh defence minister of Canada said that we don't support division of any country Its better to live in a dream , than not living at all. Its not just based on signatures , signatures are there for an open dialogue , dialogue to explain the atrocities that are happening in Punjab so the UN can intervene . Over 30 years since 1984 , no justice , killings of innocent sikhs , no justice , recent sarbat khalsa ..no justice many many more cases. This isnt the first resort , if communities are not being fairly treated , why not ? Why not they stand up and air their concerns , who will listen to them ? In the past and now  the sikhs have been fighting  is justice, fairly treated , jobs , trades and the referendum is a way putting pressure on the government to act. It  is not just only for sikhs it is for those minorities or communities that no one cares about or listens to. Wouldnt you want the average person the right to visit any country in the world . Why is this not allowed in India ? Why do they seek to go to another country , simply because they dont see a future in Punjab ( I dont blame them ).   0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Quote This is the whole point , why cannot an individual be charged up , rally , object stand up to in justices ... without being shot . Wheres the freedom of speech ?Who is Shooting ? Why are they shooting ? . Isnt Akali Dal a Sikh political party ? Let me ask you a question , why do you think people turn to drugs and drink ? Dont tell me that you want the answer to be painkillers True again let me ask you a question , why dont they go to Gurudawaras ?This is something you should know better. They may be names a Sikh party but they are not SIkh , you may be born into a SIkh family but doesnt necessarily make you a Sikh. Why not then the Central government intervene and stop the shooting done by the party you mentioned ?  Dont tell me that you want the answer to be painkillers  Sorry dont understand what you mean , please share your thoughts This is something you should know better. Sorry again dont understand what you mean , please share your thoughts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 18 minutes ago, DSG said: They may be names a Sikh party but they are not SIkh , you may be born into a SIkh family but doesnt necessarily make you a Sikh. Why not then the Central government intervene and stop the shooting done by the party you mentioned ?  So now you want the Central govt to intervene and have a quality control done for Akali Dal to prove how much percent of Sikhi they have ???? Habibi ! Vilayatis truly need something to make them think right .  Dont tell me that you want the answer to be painkillers  Sorry dont understand what you mean , please share your thoughts This is something you should know better. Sorry again dont understand what you mean , please share your thoughts.   0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 27 minutes ago, DSG said: Its better to live in a dream , than not living at all. Its not just based on signatures , signatures are there for an open dialogue , dialogue to explain the atrocities that are happening in Punjab so the UN can intervene . Over 30 years since 1984 , no justice , killings of innocent sikhs , no justice , recent sarbat khalsa ..no justice many many more cases. This isnt the first resort , if communities are not being fairly treated , why not ? Why not they stand up and air their concerns , who will listen to them ? In the past and now  the sikhs have been fighting  is justice, fairly treated , jobs , trades and the referendum is a way putting pressure on the government to act. It  is not just only for sikhs it is for those minorities or communities that no one cares about or listens to. Wouldnt you want the average person the right to visit any country in the world . Why is this not allowed in India ? Why do they seek to go to another country , simply because they dont see a future in Punjab ( I dont blame them ).   In 1984 Indian economy was closed, India did not have good relations with USA and its allies, it was pro Soviet nation with socialist economy yet no country came to rescue for sikhs , USA did nothing , Pakistan did not send its army like India did to BD , UK secretly helped India. And now in 2016 when India has friendly relation with booming economy receiving billions of dollars investment from all over world you people are thinking that they will support sikhs over India and that too over issue's happened in 32 years ago .Good luck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 28 minutes ago, DSG said: They may be names a Sikh party but they are not SIkh , you may be born into a SIkh family but doesnt necessarily make you a Sikh. Why not then the Central government intervene and stop the shooting done by the party you mentioned ?  Dont tell me that you want the answer to be painkillers  Sorry dont understand what you mean , please share your thoughts This is something you should know better. Sorry again dont understand what you mean , please share your thoughts. Akali Dal is sikh party voted by sikhs , accept this fact , its starnge when Hndu's commit crime we blame Hindu's did that when muslims commit crime we say muslims did that but when Sikh party who is elected by majority of sikh votes do something wrong then they are not sikhs. If we keep this quest for true gursikhs then I don't think we will find more than few thousands in entire world 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Quote now in 2016 when India has friendly relation with booming economy receiving billions of dollars investment from all over world you people are thinking that they will support sikhs over India and that too over issue's happened in 32 years ago .Good luck Is it not a duty of a sikh to stand up for the little guy , to stand up for injustices. We / each individual should be seeking the truth and trying to get justice for the thousands of innocent victims  and not merely give up and brush it under the carpet simply because of the economy . If India's economy is booming so much , how much is pumped into Punjab ? Quote Akali Dal is sikh party voted by sikhs , accept this fact , what is a definition of a Sikh ? Its votes are based on corruption , feeding the less fortunate money and booze to get a vote . Quote So now you want the Central govt to intervene and have a quality control done for Akali Dal to prove how much percent of Sikhi they have ???? Habibi ! Vilayatis truly need something to make them think right . Why not . IF the people are not getting justice from the leaders of the state , they should be able to go somewhere else i.e. central government who can then do a fully fledge investigation and punish the corrupt leaders .. why not ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Quote Is it not a duty of a sikh to stand up for the little guy , to stand up for injustices. We / each individual should be seeking the truth and trying to get justice for the thousands of innocent victims  and not merely give up and brush it under the carpet simply because of the economy . If India's economy is booming so much , how much is pumped into Punjab ? The sikhs who really wanted justice gunned down  the killers , others are just doing drama , sitting in first world nation getting their facilities and then asking for justice is joke, if this is the defination then yes everybody is justice seeker  2 hours ago, DSG said: If India's economy is booming so much , how much is pumped into Punjab ? Punjab still has much better standard of living than many other states of India, after that it is private investment which will go through states which they will find beneficial 2 hours ago, DSG said: what is a definition of a Sikh ? Its votes are based on corruption , feeding the less fortunate money and booze to get a vote . Quote LOL you just cannot win elections by doing this in India , these things can swing few votes in your favour , several of deadly corrupt castist leaders who use to consider them undefeatable  lost elections because people stopped supporting them. Akali Dal Badal win elections because rural sikh peasantry  still votes for them As far defination of sikh is considered  different people have different definations  but in political term any person who consider himself as part of sikhism is sikh O/W we need to accept that Punjab is not even 10% sikh   1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 13 hours ago, DSG said: Is it not a duty of a sikh to stand up for the little guy , to stand up for injustices. We / each individual should be seeking the truth and trying to get justice for the thousands of innocent victims  and not merely give up and brush it under the carpet simply because of the economy . If India's economy is booming so much , how much is pumped into Punjab ? what is a definition of a Sikh ? Its votes are based on corruption , feeding the less fortunate money and booze to get a vote . Why not . IF the people are not getting justice from the leaders of the state , they should be able to go somewhere else i.e. central government who can then do a fully fledge investigation and punish the corrupt leaders .. why not ? So you will keep voting for them and expect Central govt to correct your errors ? Look one thing is clear ..the only thing vilayatis can do is crib and crib ..just like a nagging mother in law... Also, if you look in UK , After Muslims Sikhs have a high number of school dropouts ...who is doing injustice with you there? With all those tantrums you are doing there and the fights in the Gurughars ..you are portraying the image of Sikhs like a bunch of spoilt school kids ..for some time people may be attentive and then the show is over . Keep doing what you are doing ..some things cant change 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Quote The sikhs who really wanted justice gunned down  the killers , others are just doing drama , sitting in first world nation getting their facilities and then asking for justice is joke, if this is the defination then yes everybody is justice seeker Gunning down is that last resort  and not the way forward until all avenues have been exhausted .We have to be more smarter , educating the people in the pends . changing their mindset , telling them the truth about what is happening to the Sikhs , so that in the future they make the right selection. I assume you are from India , and your mindset regarding seeking for injustices scares me . I agree , that the current so called leaders "badal &co" are corrupt and will be a task to oust them out of power. But it shouldnt stop us from trying regardless of where one resides. Why the negative attitude and the mindset of  let it be, nothing will happen. Now the question is why nothing will happen ? How can we change this ? Why is nobody listening to the people who reside in Punjab ? Why when they stand up they are put down ? How can this change ?  ........................ In my opinion people will make this change , with the right mindset . People need to be told the truth about the atrocities and injustices happening to the Sikhs and minorities. Ekta , regardless of where one is , is the key. Why wouldnt a person want to see a change , have the government oppressed them so up by feeding them lies , that their mindset is , "let it be" we are happy as we are ... but are they really ?   Quote Also, if you look in UK , After Muslims Sikhs have a high number of school dropouts ...who is doing injustice with you there? IS that so , wasnt aware of that . I see int he UK many Sikh Ethos faith schools open to all , ( birmingham , wolverhampton, redbridge, southall) . On one side in Punjab they want to abolish Punjabi , here in UK the government is encouraging Sikh Ethos faith schools . Justice is about denying an individual his/her rights. One example here in UK , a teenager who had down syndrome was living in a COuncil flat , he had is independence. All of a sudden the Council told him he had to give up is flat , his parents were not happen set up a petition online where thousands signed. His case was taken into parliament and discussed the outcome was he remained in his flat and independent. In Punjab has it come the norm , that making a change for the betterment of an indivdual / community is non existence . You cannot fight for your rights , because you will be put down by the Police so its easier to stay quiet and let it be ( let it be ... thats a song isnt it :) :) If the outsiders in your opinion are doing more harm than good by holding a referendum , so that Sikhs in Punjab and minorities can have better lives I know which side i would back. I agree , it will be tough seeking the right leader(s) , setting the plan as how to run Punjab . Who to trust etc.. but if the outsome form the referendum is not our own state but a shake up of the current leaders , injustices against SIkhs and minorities sought , a change for the better then its not a bad thing is it ? Below was taken from Basics of Sikhi site , leaflet they produced which i think a lot of us ( including me) wasnt aware about Pre-1947 British Indian Raj  • 1849 British Raj annexes huge Sikh Kingdom. • 1900s Sikhs fight bravely for Indian independence • Sikhs (2% Indian population) give 80% of sacrifices in freedom struggle • M.Gandhi and Nehru promise Sikh state within Federal India • Punjab split ½ India ½ Pak • 60% of Sikhs become refugees • 14m people displaced • 1m Sikhs died 1947-50 Independent India’s New Constitution • Sikhs are classed as Hindus • Punjabi is not Punjab’s first language  • 75% of water & 70% of revenue sent to other states  • Sikhs seen as Hindu sect that needs suppression and re-assimilation • PM Nehru says Sikhs ‘missed the boat’  • Sikhs feel betrayed and refuse to sign constitution. 1950-66 Punjabi Suba Movement • Masses of Sikhs agitate peacefully for socio-political rights • 26,000 Sikhs arrested in 1960 • Govt respond with violence  • 1966 Govt create Punjabi-language State, but ⅓ of Punjab’s original size  • Govt deny Punjab its own capital or control over economic policies. 1966-84 Anandpur Resolution - Dharam Yudh Morcha • 1971 250k+ Sikhs demonstrate for reasonable socioeconomic demands of Anandpur Resolution  • Govt and Police turn more violent and hostile  • Propaganda defames Sikhs as extremists and separatists • 1975 Sikhs hailed as ‘saving democracy’ through massive demonstrations against Indira Gandhi’s dissolving of parliament  • Indira develops grudge against Sikhs  • 1978 Anti-Sikh group kills 13 Sikhs whilst Police stand by • Police brutality escalates • 1982 Sikhs launch Dharam Yudh Morcha to implement Anandpur Resolution • This mass movement with several leaders is portrayed by Govt as solely lead by St. Bhindranwale, who is also demonised as an extremist separatist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdsingh80 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Oh please this 80% sacrifice in freedom struggle is just a propaganda , can you show me stats where 80% died are sikhs , I have yet to read any credible source that 80% died in freedom struggle were sikhs,As far water is concerned , yes Punjab got raw deal in that but Amarinder in 2004 quashed all water sharing agreements and Badal recently said that he will go to jail but will not allow SYL to be built  70% revenue going to another states is also propaganda , Punjab has its own budget and they use it for themselves, Punjab was reduced in size because Sikhs demanded Punjabi suba , a combined Punjab will have 60-65% Hindu population , which means sikh chief minister is out of question 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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