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Mooorakh Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 If that Bani was Sach, it would have been included in Guru Granth Sahib. If Bhagat Ramanand ji would have not been a Real Bhagat of sarvvyapak Ram, his shabad would have not been included- haina? This discussion seems worthless... Read this priceless bani- he's condemning all the rituals of brahmins of those times even after belonging to the brahmin caste himself. Bani of Bhagat Ramanand in Adi Granth Sahib ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧ Raamaanand Jee, First House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥ Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss. ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1||Pause|| ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥ One day, a desire welled up in my mind. ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥ I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils. ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥ I went to Brahman's (God's) place (Temple), and worshipped Him there. ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥ That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1|| ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥ Wherever I go, I find water and stones. ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥ You are totally pervading and permeating in all. ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥ I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas. ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥ I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2|| ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥ I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru. ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥ You have cut through all my confusion and doubt. ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥ Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Brahman (God). ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥ The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1|| (SGGS, 1195) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shastarSingh Posted March 11, 2022 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mooorakh said: If that Bani was Sach, it would have been included in Guru Granth Sahib. If Bhagat Ramanand ji would have not been a Real Bhagat of sarvvyapak Ram, his shabad would have not been included- haina? This discussion seems worthless... Read this priceless bani- he's condemning all the rituals of brahmins of those times even after belonging to the brahmin caste himself. Bani of Bhagat Ramanand in Adi Granth Sahib ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧ Raamaanand Jee, First House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥ Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss. ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1||Pause|| ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥ One day, a desire welled up in my mind. ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥ I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils. ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥ I went to Brahman's (God's) place (Temple), and worshipped Him there. ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥ That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1|| ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥ Wherever I go, I find water and stones. ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥ You are totally pervading and permeating in all. ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥ I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas. ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥ I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2|| ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥ I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru. ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥ You have cut through all my confusion and doubt. ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥ Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Brahman (God). ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥ The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1|| (SGGS, 1195) ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru. history says ramanand ji abandoned his guru raghwa ji who used to do krishan bhagti. Ramanand started doing ram bhagti. who is the satguru ramanand is referring to? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shastarSingh Posted March 11, 2022 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 https://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/80390-proof-that-satguru-nanak-dev-jee-met-bhagat-kabeer-jee/ Above proves Guru Nanak Dev ji met kabir ji. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooorakh Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, shastarSingh said: who is the satguru ramanand is referring to 1 hour ago, shastarSingh said: Above proves Guru Nanak Dev ji met kabir ji. Okay but the point I am referring to is that both Ramanand and kabirji have their banis in our Guru and are thus Sach n sacred to us. They believe in Almighty Ram only so we are a sacrifice to them both. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, Mooorakh said: Okay but the point I am referring to is that both Ramanand and kabirji have their banis in our Guru and are thus Sach n sacred to us. They believe in Almighty Ram only so we are a sacrifice to them both. "> I completely agree veer Ramanand and kabir jee were spiritual souls but were not able to reach Sachkhand. Only after meeting Guru Nanak Dev ji, they got the gurmantar and were able to reach Sachkhand. Only their sachkhandi baani is recorded in Guru Granth Sahib. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 I have read kabir jee's Bani in Guru Granth Sahib. I am also reading beejak Granth at present. Kabir ji's Bani in beejak Granth is nice spiritual Bani but it is much inferior to his bani in Guru Granth Sahib. This is what I feel might have happened. Kabir ji was a spiritual and nice person from birth. He made Ramanand ji his Guru. After some time he realized ramanand ji was not a true guru as he worshipped Raam,the son of Dasrath. Kabir ji met Guru Nanak Dev ji at Maghar in UP, got gurmantar, became a complete bhagat and had darshan of Waheguru. Later Ramanand ji and other bhagats like peepa ji, jaidev ji etc. also accepted Guru Nanak Dev ji as their Guru and reached Sachkhand. Only the Sachkhandi Bani of these bhagats is recorded in Guru Granth Sahib. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Many of our present day Sikhs want to please the world instead of pleasing their Guru. They want to tell the world "oh we are nice people, we give free food to all human beings". " oh we are nice secular people, we have Bani of Hindu bhagats in our holy book"... We have evidence from beejak Granth that Kabir ji rejected ramanand ji as his Guru. We have evidence from the Nanak panthis in Maghar in UP that Guru Nanak Dev ji and kabir jee met there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 hours ago, shastarSingh said: Many of our present day Sikhs want to please the world instead of pleasing their Guru. For us, one of the best ways to please Sri Satguru jee is by engaging in Seva of needy fellow human beings. We are suppose to see the light of Sri Satguru jee in ALL humans. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 12:43 PM, shastarSingh said: Only after meeting Guru Nanak Dev ji, they got the gurmantar and were able to reach Sachkhand. What about Bhagat Prahlaad jee, Bhagat Dhru jee, Mata Bheelnee jee, etc? Are you saying that non-Sikhs cannot reach Sachkhand? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 35 minutes ago, paapiman said: For us, one of the best ways to please Sri Satguru jee is by engaging in Seva of needy fellow human beings. We are suppose to see the light of Sri Satguru jee in ALL humans. Bhul chuk maaf Yes bro We shud serve humanity. But today there are thousands of our fellow sikh brothers who need our support. Many of us (not all) ignore our fellow Sikhs and use the panth's money on langar as a publicity stunt to please the world. We shud not limit sikhi to a free restaurant just for publicity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, paapiman said: What about Bhagat Prahlaad jee, Bhagat Dhru jee, Mata Bheelnee jee, etc? Are you saying that non-Sikhs cannot reach Sachkhand? Bhul chuk maaf ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ] bin satigur kinai na paio bin satigur kinai na paiaa || 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just now, shastarSingh said: ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ] bin satigur kinai na paio bin satigur kinai na paiaa || Above tukk is from Aasa ki Vaar. No One has obtained God without Satguru. Kabir ji and ramanand are called bhagats in Gurbani and not Satguru. Who was their Satguru who made them meet God? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 hours ago, paapiman said: Are you saying that non-Sikhs cannot reach Sachkhand? Respected Bro That is not my point. According to Asa ki Vaar Every person(whether sikh or non sikh) meets God through a Satguru. Who was the Satguru of Kabir ji and ramanand ji? Was there someone else as big as Guru Nanak Dev ji during this time period who was a Satguru. If Yes, who was he ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 hours ago, paapiman said: What about Bhagat Prahlaad jee, Bhagat Dhru jee, Mata Bheelnee jee, etc? Are you saying that non-Sikhs cannot reach Sachkhand? Bhul chuk maaf Another way to look at it, mostly, other faiths aren't trying to get to Sachakand. They're talking about heavenly respits and other loks. Only individual people in other faiths, who tire of seperation and Khel and who turn directly to Akal might get True Sanjog. Even certain individuals in animal form get it. But if we're talking about the types of guru there are, the vibrations they can take you on, where to, most other faiths or Dharams simply are not talking about the ultimate goal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 7 hours ago, shastarSingh said: Above tukk is from Aasa ki Vaar. No One has obtained God without Satguru. Kabir ji and ramanand are called bhagats in Gurbani and not Satguru. Who was their Satguru who made them meet God? We sometimes stumble into direct relation, or realize more like, our relationship not with a satguru but SatGuru in their umm...Nirgun! In their Nirgun form. It sounds like Kabeer Ji fell directly into the Prem Bhagti of Satguru Akal Purakh. Ramanand was following the vibration of a Guru but not Satguru directly. It seems to me, which Kabeer Ji was aware. In a very similar aware way, Morihei Ueshiba, who delivered Akal Purakh's Aikido, did so channeling Vidya, channeling, Sat Dharam itself, but after following both a spiritual guru who he surpassed and a killer guru who he surpassed. He needed instruction in their methods, but those patches were resown according to the original designs of Akal. On the metaphysical level it took not only training with countless manmukh jeev, but a variety of what we would call call Devte, and even several Rakesh for the requisite patches of Aikido to be rewoven and revealed. However the bhagat, of sorts, O Sensei, Morihei Ueshiba, collaborated with all the aforementioned as resulting from his direct relationship of Sevadar and Doka of O' Kami, the greatest of all spirits, the perfect creator, without hate or fear, 1 Oangkar Vaheguru Akal Purakh, to which Aikido belongs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Here it is. This is a good one. Lemme see if I can find Bhai Sukhraj Singh Ji, that gem, that treasure broker, on the different Muktes too. The different Naads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 hours ago, paapiman said: For us, one of the best ways to please Sri Satguru jee is by engaging in Seva of needy fellow human beings. We are suppose to see the light of Sri Satguru jee in ALL humans. Bhul chuk maaf Particularly apt when speaking of Bhagat Kabir Ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 These aren't the exact Kathas actually but they do, due to their subject. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 7:15 AM, shastarSingh said: https://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/80390-proof-that-satguru-nanak-dev-jee-met-bhagat-kabeer-jee/ Above proves Guru Nanak Dev ji met kabir ji. Hah totally missed this reading from bottom to top. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted March 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 12 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said: It sounds like Kabeer Ji fell directly into the Prem Bhagti of Satguru Akal Purakh. Aasa ki Vaar says Bin satgur kinnai na payiyo If Akaal Purakh is Satguru, this tukk will mean Without Akaal Purakh, no one can meet Akaal Purakh This won't make any sense. Akal Purakh is not Satguru as Akaal Purakh never comes to this world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, shastarSingh said: Aasa ki Vaar says Bin satgur kinnai na payiyo If Akaal Purakh is Satguru, this tukk will mean Without Akaal Purakh, no one can meet Akaal Purakh This won't make any sense. Akal Purakh is not Satguru as Akaal Purakh never comes to this world. Makes sense to me. What is Nehkalank Avtar in your understanding? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shastarSingh Posted March 14, 2022 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said: Makes sense to me. What is Nehkalank Avtar in your understanding? Nehkalank avtar will be a brahmgyani who will have the full kirpa and blessing of Satguru and Akaal Purakh on him. He will have lots of powers. He will finish off the wicked people from this earth and will restore dharma. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 hours ago, shastarSingh said: Nehkalank avtar will be a brahmgyani who will have the full kirpa and blessing of Satguru and Akaal Purakh on him. He will have lots of powers. He will finish off the wicked people from this earth and will restore dharma. Isn't Nehkalank Avtaar the same as Sri Kalkee avtaar jee (the last avataar of Sri Vishnu jee), who is yet to come? @GurjantGnostic Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 hours ago, shastarSingh said: Bin satgur kinnai na payiyo If Akaal Purakh is Satguru, this tukk will mean Without Akaal Purakh, no one can meet Akaal Purakh Satguru can mean Gurbani in that verse and Gurbani can be recited by any person (Sikh or non-Sikh), In any case, our Satguru is Gurbani. @GurjantGnostic Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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