Popular Post GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Should we flushing out our understanding with this? It seems like they were contemporary court members of the Guru Sahiban? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Brooo I was just thinking about you. Crazy. This starts with the Manglacharan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inderpal1994 Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 This is very interesting. Where did you find this? What text is this? What does it imply when it says "You are known as..." What app do you use? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Inderpal1994 said: This is very interesting. Where did you find this? What text is this? What does it imply when it says "You are known as..." This is Bhatt Kal Shar. A hindu poet apparently who wrote praises of the Guru Sahiban under the supervision of the Guru Sahiban as devotees of a Kal poetry tradition? It's in Sikhi2themax. It actually seems perhaps very very legitimate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inderpal1994 Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said: Brooo I was just thinking about you. Crazy. This starts with the Manglacharan. Ik Oangkar Satigur Parsaadi has always been used even when issuing hukams to the panth. Heck even on wedding cards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Oh he's one of many Bhatt contributers to Swaiyas. I had heard Swaiyas. I didn't know what they were. These should fit with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Dasam Granth, Varaan Bhai Gurdas Ji, very nicely. I'm retarded. They're part of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Sigh. But focusing on them! Ahem. Helps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Inderpal1994 said: This is very interesting. Where did you find this? What text is this? What does it imply when it says "You are known as..." What app do you use? Oh I'm using mainly STTM now. Salute to the maker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inderpal1994 Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said: Oh I'm using mainly STTM now. Salute to the maker. Satinaamu Sri Vaheguru. The app is so beautiful and the function and features. Wow. Like seriously this is one of the best apps I've seen thus far. Thank you for the enlightenment on this app. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Inderpal1994 said: Satinaamu Sri Vaheguru. The app is so beautiful and the function and features. Wow. Like seriously this is one of the best apps I've seen thus far. Thank you for the enlightenment on this app. Broo Har Kirpa. App is great. So much amazingness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Bhai Nand Lal Ji Varaan are also in depth on the Guru Sahiban and contemporary, approved, favored of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Everything matches except Bachitar Natak, which means Drama, or Story. I almost wonder if it's our cover story to integrate with others. Or simply requires more comprehensive Gyan to understand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said: Oh I'm using mainly STTM now. Salute to the maker. Whoops. The salute to the maker, is a coincidencental match for STTM. STTM means Sikhi To The Max. That was not intentional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 I've been careful to start with Guru Granth Sahib Ji only, wanting to be safe as a convert. And only learn legitimate Gurmat. Had I not had help here and on SS and in real life I woulda been very hampered. .. But outside of Sangat, I included more sources, because they were found to be legitimate, and also because they are critical to understanding Guru Granth Sahib Ji, as needed. To do that one needs Varaan Bhai Gurdas Ji. Now Amrit, Nitnem, Khalsa Paanth require Dasam Granth. And to understand Dasam Granth you need Swaiyas, and Varaan Bhai Nand Lal Ji. And at this point if not earlier require Sarbloh Granth, and Khalsa Rehitnama. So the core, smallest curriculum for a Khalsa seems to expand from Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Varaan Bhai Gurdas Ji, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Varaan Bhai Gurdas Ji, Dasam Granth, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Varaan Bhai Gurdas Ji, Dasam Granth, Focus on Swaiyas, Varaan Bhai Nand Lal Ji, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Varaan Bhai Gurdas Ji, Dasam Granth, Focus on Swaiyas, Varaan Bhai Nand Lal Ji, Sarbloh Granth, Khalsa Rehitnama. Thats is what the core looks like expanded, based on need to get to Amrit as far as I can tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Understanding some Bible, Vedas, quran in the middle maybe. Optional. I relied on Gurmat alone for Vedas so far. I think as intended. I will read the Vedas but after getting more grounded in Sikhi, and after reading Gobind Gita. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Whoever said theophic aavtar in the "is Guru Nanak Dev Ji God" thread pretty much nailed it. Everywhere but Bachitar Natak...so far ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 @dalsingh101 I'm up late bro. Save me. Swaiyas are all in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, GurjantGnostic said: @dalsingh101 I'm up late bro. Save me. Swaiyas are all in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? There's swaiyay in Dasam Granth too bro. 11 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said: Whoever said theophic aavtar in the "is Guru Nanak Dev Ji God" thread pretty much nailed it. Everywhere but Bachitar Natak...so far ... Personally, I think interacting with most Dasam Granth texts with a literalist frame of mind will derail people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Thank you bro, Bachitar Natak is part of Amrit Kirtan and ceremony these days right? 5 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: There's swaiyay in Dasam Granth too bro. Personally, I think interacting with most Dasam Granth texts with a literalist frame of mind will derail people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 33 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said: Thank you bro, Bachitar Natak is part of Amrit Kirtan and ceremony these days right? Don't think so? I haven't taken Amrit, so ask some of the other brothers here, they'll know better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: Don't think so? I haven't taken Amrit, so ask some of the other brothers here, they'll know better. I'm dead bro. If it's not part of Amrit Kirtan...what...what are we upset about? It would remain simply a really unique Ang for study and debate and understanding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 See this shows that Guru Sahiban are beyond the world described by the Vedas and the Bible, quran not mentioned because it's not real and limited, it's just not real. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted July 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 I think we need more literal english translations. We take great liberties with the english in a miltitude of ways. Well and I need to keep learning Gurmukhi and Guri. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 Just now, GurjantGnostic said: It would remain simply a really unique Ang for study and debate and understanding. No actually, Amrit Bani does include Chaupai Sahib I think, which is how CP concludes. But I do think much of what precedes this, is what you mention above. But it's not simplistic, (amongst many other things) it looks like a critique of courtly literature and masterful work on narratives, and how to dominate them, incorporate them, and utilise them. Like pretty much all Sikh 'texts' it's a proper treasure trove of cultures and linguistics too. CP is quite deep when you think about it, it starts with posing the big question of when you should kill a mf, and how you should be aware of being manipulated into this through anger and passion. Also, the role and value of true, tempered advice to leaders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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