We are the Divine

[Inderpal1994]

How many of us are aware of this knowledge, and what is your take on this gyan.

ਅਹੰਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਸਮਿ ਵਹਿਰ ਨ ਗਾਵੋ । ਇਹ ਬ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਹਿਯਰੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਟਿਕਾਵੋ ।Outloud don't say 'I am the Divine' [aham brahmasmi], but keep this thought placed within one's heart.

ਬਾਹਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਕੇ ਦਾਸ ਉਚਾਰਹੁ । ਸੰਤਨ ਬਿਖੈ ਭਾਉ ਕੋ ਧਾਰਹੁ ।Externally, call yourself a servant of Prabhu, and establish love of the Saints within you.

Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth, author: the Great Poet Santokh Singh

Rut 5, Chapter 50

https://www.manglacharan.com/post/dispositions-inwardly-and-outwardly

 

[GurjantGnostic]

40 minutes ago, Inderpal1994 said:

How many of us are aware of this knowledge, and what is your take on this gyan.

ਅਹੰਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਸਮਿ ਵਹਿਰ ਨ ਗਾਵੋ । ਇਹ ਬ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਹਿਯਰੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਟਿਕਾਵੋ ।Outloud don't say 'I am the Divine' [aham brahmasmi], but keep this thought placed within one's heart.

ਬਾਹਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਕੇ ਦਾਸ ਉਚਾਰਹੁ । ਸੰਤਨ ਬਿਖੈ ਭਾਉ ਕੋ ਧਾਰਹੁ ।Externally, call yourself a servant of Prabhu, and establish love of the Saints within you.

Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth, author: the Great Poet Santokh Singh

Rut 5, Chapter 50

https://www.manglacharan.com/post/dispositions-inwardly-and-outwardly

 

Actually very relevent to some of the seeming back and forth on the Divine nature of the Gur Sahiban. Thank you bro. 

[Inderpal1994]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Actually very relevent to some of the seeming back and forth on the Divine nature of the Gur Sahiban. Thank you bro. 

How so?

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, Inderpal1994 said:

How so?

Gurbani says the Guru Sahiban are God, but they don't, but they allow the Bhatts to say so. 

[Inderpal1994]

2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Gurbani says the Guru Sahiban are God, but they don't, but they allow the Bhatts to say so. 

Why not?

[GurjantGnostic]

7 minutes ago, Inderpal1994 said:

Why not?

Well almost all Gurbani would support that except a part of Bachitar Natak. 

[GurjantGnostic]

What's become clear to me, is no matter the minutia of the final answer, there is no telling them apart. 

[Inderpal1994]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Well almost all Gurbani would support that except a part of Bachitar Natak. 

I've never read Bachitar Natak, so I'm curious to know why would Maharaj say that Guru is not Parmatma. 

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, Inderpal1994 said:

 so I'm curious to know why would Maharaj say that Guru is not Parmatma. 

To teach us Humility. Also, to primarily connect us to Shabad Guru, as Maharaaj knew that their physical bodies won't be visible to everyone once they decide to go to Sachkhand.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[SunnySingh]

On 8/1/2022 at 6:35 PM, Inderpal1994 said:

I've never read Bachitar Natak, so I'm curious to know why would Maharaj say that Guru is not Parmatma. 

 

What others say, whosoever maybe is not that important if that does not telly with Gurbani,  for, Gurbani does indeed say, that the Guru, of the supreme heights as Guru Sahiban,  is the manifestation of Akal Purukh Himself.

gur mayree poojaa gur gobind.
I worship and adore my Guru; the Guru is the Lord of the Universe.

gur mayraa paarbarahm gur bhagvant.
My Guru is the Supreme Lord God; the Guru is the Lord God.

 

But the thing is, though Guru Sahiban are undoubtedly Akal Purukh, but, that does not mean that they will be our Aladdin´s genie, to fulfill our desires and wishes, or save us from sickness, poverty, riches, grant children and so onnnnnnnn.

Rather they firstly come to teach us learn to live in whatever happens according to our own karmas bravely, for the action/reaction effects of karmas is also His hukum.

He, is not like a magician with a magic stick to waver, or like corrupted politicians in changing/modifying the laws upon receiving bribery .... it is the most inhuman injustice man can do to Him, and then too blame Him, out of own ignorance about how Nature works.

 

Secondly, they come to release us from al our manmukhta/agyanta,  and teach us to connect our surtees with the jugtee or abhyaas  of  Nam simran, to the Shabad Guru within , the link between us and Him, in whose company will the soul return back Home.

That is why also the Bani says:

Mat koee bharam bhoolay sansaar, bin Satgur koee na utraas paar.

Bin Satgur kinay na paaya, Bin Satgur kinay na paayo.

 

Would like to end with humble tribute to Guru Jee : Guru Guru Guru kar man mor, Guru bina mai nahee hor

[GurjantGnostic]

3 hours ago, SunnySingh said:

 

What others say, whosoever maybe is not that important if that does not telly with Gurbani,  for, Gurbani does indeed say, that the Guru, of the supreme heights as Guru Sahiban,  is the manifestation of Akal Purukh Himself.

gur mayree poojaa gur gobind.
I worship and adore my Guru; the Guru is the Lord of the Universe.

gur mayraa paarbarahm gur bhagvant.
My Guru is the Supreme Lord God; the Guru is the Lord God.

 

But the thing is, though Guru Sahiban are undoubtedly Akal Purukh, but, that does not mean that they will be our Aladdin´s genie, to fulfill our desires and wishes, or save us from sickness, poverty, riches, grant children and so onnnnnnnn.

Rather they firstly come to teach us learn to live in whatever happens according to our own karmas bravely, for the action/reaction effects of karmas is also His hukum.

He, is not like a magician with a magic stick to waver, or like corrupted politicians in changing/modifying the laws upon receiving bribery .... it is the most inhuman injustice man can do to Him, and then too blame Him, out of own ignorance about how Nature works.

 

Secondly, they come to release us from al our manmukhta/agyanta,  and teach us to connect our surtees with the jugtee or abhyaas  of  Nam simran, to the Shabad Guru within , the link between us and Him, in whose company will the soul return back Home.

That is why also the Bani says:

Mat koee bharam bhoolay sansaar, bin Satgur koee na utraas paar.

Bin Satgur kinay na paaya, Bin Satgur kinay na paayo.

 

Would like to end with humble tribute to Guru Jee : Guru Guru Guru kar man mor, Guru bina mai nahee hor

Excellent as always Veer Ji. 

Care to descend into the gutter and offer your opinion on reconciling two small portions of Bachitar Natak?

[SunnySingh]

11 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Excellent as always Veer Ji. 

Care to descend into the gutter and offer your opinion on reconciling two small portions of Bachitar Natak?

SSA Bro,

I do not know what is going in your mind to say to descend into the gutter .... but there for sure is not a place to go, and I will never ever go, who the hell wants 5hit?

I am sure you have a different meaning by saying those words, so please say exactly what you mean and I may or not give my opinion ....

Secondly, Bachitar Natak is just a bit too much to understand and digest it, at least for a lowly person like me.

But then too, if you or anyone asks me, what have you found useful for you?

Then I will just bring forward the following 2 verses which are more than enough for me as a soul to understand and work on it, to reach my goal Waheguru Akal Purukh, rest is all His khel which only He knows about, so who can even dare to imagine His Infinity?

 

ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਨ੍ਰਿਬਿਕਾਰ ਨਿਤ੍ਯੰ ਨਿਰਾਲੰ ॥

Nrinkaara Nribikaara Nitaiaan Niraalaan ॥

निरंकार न्रिबिकार नितयं निरालं ॥

He is Formless, Flawless, eternal and Non-aligned

  *This is what He is  

 

ਜਿਨੈ ਨਾਮ ਤਾ ਕੋ ਉਚਾਰੋ ਉਬਾਰੇ ॥

Jini Naam Taa Ko Auchaaro Aubaare ॥

जिनै नाम ता को उचारो उबारे ॥

Those who have remembered the Name of the Lord, have been saved, !

 *This is what I need to pay attention and do to reach Him.

 

SSA.

[GurjantGnostic]

59 minutes ago, SunnySingh said:

SSA Bro,

I do not know what is going in your mind to say to descend into the gutter .... but there for sure is not a place to go, and I will never ever go, who the hell wants 5hit?

I am sure you have a different meaning by saying those words, so please say exactly what you mean and I may or not give my opinion ....

Secondly, Bachitar Natak is just a bit too much to understand and digest it, at least for a lowly person like me.

But then too, if you or anyone asks me, what have you found useful for you?

Then I will just bring forward the following 2 verses which are more than enough for me as a soul to understand and work on it, to reach my goal Waheguru Akal Purukh, rest is all His khel which only He knows about, so who can even dare to imagine His Infinity?

 

ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਨ੍ਰਿਬਿਕਾਰ ਨਿਤ੍ਯੰ ਨਿਰਾਲੰ ॥

Nrinkaara Nribikaara Nitaiaan Niraalaan ॥

निरंकार न्रिबिकार नितयं निरालं ॥

He is Formless, Flawless, eternal and Non-aligned

 "> *This is what He is  

 

ਜਿਨੈ ਨਾਮ ਤਾ ਕੋ ਉਚਾਰੋ ਉਬਾਰੇ ॥

Jini Naam Taa Ko Auchaaro Aubaare ॥

जिनै नाम ता को उचारो उबारे ॥

Those who have remembered the Name of the Lord, have been saved, !

"> *This is what I need to pay attention and do to reach Him.

 

SSA.

Amen bro. 

The last two put it perfectly. 

By gutter I meant...discuss controversial or hard to grasp Gurbani.