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according to shia islam, 786 represents imam ali ( not 100% sure ), i believe the digits 7, 8, 6 turn out to represent the letters A, L, I (please correct me again )...also, the arabic digits 7, 8, 6 if places in a typical fashion look like the hindu symbol OM

some fairy tales i've come across...once again, this is what i have come across...it is very well subject to error

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mmmm not too sure but it is true that the name of Imam Ali (AS) written in Arabic looks like OM. there is actually a group in Gujarat called the Satpanthis ( a branch of Ismaelis) who have combined om with Ali in the same shape and their texts (ginans) have deep resemblences with gurbani. They have a lot of respect for our Gurus.

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The Basis of 786 in Islam

Sourced by Sabira H Hirji and Muntazir H Hirji

Long before man began counting in numbers and used the actual numerical values that are known to us as "Arabic Numbers" man used to count nevertheless. It came naturally to man that he would count on his fingers. As the need to count more than ten showed up, man realized that he had ten more toes. So the total became twenty, which man could "count on his fingers." Hence the word 'digit' for number, because in Latin 'digiti' means 'finger.'

On the other hand if you go to places like far off villages in India , you would find people still counting in twenties. So, to represent the number 85 they would say paanch upar chaar beesi or, five-over-four-twenties.

Arabs invented the method of counting by associating a number to each of the twenty-eight alphabets, as follows

Alif 1

Ba - 2

Jeem- 3

Daal- 4

Ha 5

Wow - 6

Za - 7

Ha 8

Tuey - 9

Ya - 10

Kaaf - 20

Laam - 30

Meem - 40

Noon - 50

Seen - 60

Cayn - 70

Fa - 80

Swaad 90

Qaaf - 100

Ra - 200

Sheen 300

Taa - 400

Thaa 500

Khaa 600

Zaal 700

Dhwaad 800

Zuey 900

Ghayn 1000

So, Arabs were able to count in units, tens, hundreds and thousands using this system, and also any number of multiples of these numbers. It is actually debatable as to who created the concept of zero? Was it the mathematicians in India or the Arabs? The very fact that the numbers are known as Arabic number indicates the possibility of it being an Arab invention. But, mathematical historians still argue about it. Long after the counting to the base of ten began using the numerical figures that are known to us today, the Arabs continued using the alphabetical representation of numbers. They used them extensively in their poetry to record significant events in history. That is the actual source of writing chronograms for the death and birth of important people, and the establishment of buildings, organizations, and now in recent years, publication of books.

To cut a long story short, using that ancient system, look at the following aggregation for BISMILLAH

Ba - 2; Seen - 60; Meem - 40; Alif - 1; Laam - 30; Laam – 30; Ha – 5; Alif – 1; Laam – 30; Ra – 200; Ha – 8; Meem – 40; Noon- 50; Alif – 1; Laam – 30; Ra – 200; Ha – 8; Ya- 10; Meem – 40; Total = 786

(The basic principle is that if there is a tashdeed on a letter, it will only be counted once for this exercise, but in the word ALLAH, laam is counted twice because the first laam belongs to the definite article AL , while the second laam is a part of the actual word.)

Now, this is neither a Sunnah nor a Quranic edict to use the number 786 in place of BISMILLAH. So, what is it?

This has only shown how innovative man could be. It was a brilliant way to remind oneself of BISMILLAH. It was not always easy for everyone to write the Arabic inscription, so they resorted to writing the numerals of 786. When one receives a letter (in any language) and the first thing the reader sees is the number 786, he/she is reminded of the expression of BISMILLAH. Then the added problem was always there, if the BISMILLAH was written in Arabic, how to dispose of that piece of paper without showing disrespect to the most beautiful names of Allah?

Using the numerals got rid of that problem too. So, this is the source, the cause and he purpose of using the numerals for BISMILLAH.

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the zero is an exclusively Indian concept:

Correction, it was invented by the Aryans who were Punjabis of Punjab as is stated in the Rig Veda, and not "Indians', a fake people of a fake country ("India") invented by Britain in 1947, depriving millions of people of their freedom, culture, religion, identity and enslaving them for the Hindi people of the Ganges area. The British empire was merely replaced by the "Hindian" empire. Pakistan was very smart to get out while it could, Pakistani Punjabis made a very clever move and got their freedom, while the Punjabi Sikhs and Hindus got screwed big time.

Jay Hind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Hind" as a country never existed, unless you are saluting ancient Sindh, which is now in Pakistan! :shock:

Kind Regards,


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Na Missionimpossible you got this one wrong...

There is no such thing as punjab really when we get down to it. It is merely a term used by pendoos in conversations as a means to further identify which pind a person is from. What we have to really know is;

a) was the person doabia, mahja or malwa

B) what jaat they had

c) what gotra

therefore I conclude about the creator of 'zero'

Doabia Sidhu Jat Ki Jai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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