Shasterkovich Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Gur Fateh I would like to ask for some assistance from anyone who has a fair level of knowledge of SGGS from having read the same in its original Gurmukhi form. Is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept of the Day of Judgment refuted expressly in SGGS? If not, how is it dealt with? Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 yeah im curious about this too..i wanna know if im gonna have to deal with man dem with pitch forks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 I believe this day will bring Raj Khalsa to this world. The other religions talk about Jesus coming back to save the world. In Gurus jis Prophecy, It says that the Arrows of death will not touch the khalsa. http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...t=sikh+prophecy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 According to Islamic tradition Jesus and Muhammad (pbuh) are two different prophets. Please check your Islamic sources! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Actually i dont know about Jesus coming sorry in Islam, i thought i knew but i didnt, so what i done i edited my post. I apologise to any Muslim on this website. Heres somthing i found about Jesus coming back on the Day of Judgment. On the Day of Judgment, Jesus (pbuh) shall refuse to have called people to include him in divinity with the One God (Al-Maaidah 5: 116). http://www.understanding-islam.com/rq/q-092.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are many other Signs related to Hadhrat Isa (Jesus) — "And (Jesus) shall be Sign of the Hour of Judgment (The Holy Qur'an 43:61) http://www.al-qiyamah.org/surah_7-10.htm-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shasterkovich Posted May 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Thanks for your contributions guys. It's just a hairline crack of light. The Day of Judgment being coded language for the realisation of self IMO. About self-awareness and an erosion of the sense of separateness of id. A very very tough thing to get your head around, without an iya persective. When realisation and enlightenment DAWNs. My impression is it's a slow, long haul, myself. Not a sudden unexpected DAWN at all, but the fruit of a protracted process of experience and training, profoundly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 That reading is possible. I tend to look at the Apocalypse as a multilayered text with diufferent meanings co-existing at the same time as gurbani does as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 i think there is a micro and macro day of judgment.. everyone of us will have our own day of judgement in which we cease to exist as us and become pure (meet with the supreme) or we continue as ourselves into our next life. And then also there will be a great big battle with fire and people and stuff 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 in one of bhai gurdas jis poems he says, the khalsa are beyond the heavens and hells of the afterlife! mmmmmmmmmmhhhh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImaanWaala Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 What is the State of Man after Death? The state of man after death is not a new state, only his condition in this life is made manifest more clearly in the next life. Whatever is the true condition of a person with respect to his beliefs and actions, righteous or otherwise, in this life, it remains hidden inside him and its poison or its antidote affects his being covertly. In the life after death it will not be so; everything will manifest itself openly. One experiences a specimen of it in a dream. The prevailing condition of the body of the sleeper makes itself manifest in his dream. When he is heading towards high fever he is apt to see fire and flames in his dream and if he is sickening for influenza or a Severe cold he is apt to find himself floating about in water. Thus whatever the body is heading for becomes visible in a dream. So one can understand that the same is the way of God with regard to the afterlife. As a dream transmutes our spiritual condition into a physical form, the same will happen in the next life. Our actions and their consequences will be manifested physically in the next life, and whatever we carry hidden within us from this life will all be displayed openly on our countenances in the next life. As a person observes diverse types of manifestations in his dreams but is not conscious that they are only manifestations, and deems them as realities, the same will happen in the next life. Through those manifestations God Will display a new power which is perfect. If we were not to call the conditions of the next life manifestations and were to say that they would be a new creation by Divine power, that would be perfectly correct. God has said: No virtuous one knows what bliss is kept hidden from him, as a reward for that which he used to do (32:18). Thus God has described all those bounties as hidden, the like of which is not to be found in this world. It is obvious that the bounties of this world are not hidden from us and we are familiar with milk, pomegranates and grapes etc. Which we eat here. This shows that the bounties of the next life are something else and have nothing in common with the bounties of this life, except the name. He who conceives of the conditions of paradise in the terms of the conditions of this life has not the least understanding of the Holy Quran. In interpreting the verse that we have just Cited our lord and master, the Holy Prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, has said that heaven and its bounties are such as no eye has seen, nor has any ear heard, nor have they been conceived by the mind of man; whereas we see the bounties of this world and hear of them and their thought also passes through our minds. Now when God and His Messenger describe them as something Strange, we would depart altogether from the Holy Quran if we were to imagine that in heaven we shall be given the same milk which is obtained in this life from cows and buffaloes, as if herds of milch cattle would be kept in heaven and there will be numerous beehives in the trees of heaven from which angels will procure honey and pour it into streams. Have these Concepts any relationship with the teaching that says that those bounties Have never been witnessed in this world, and that they illumine the souls and foster our understanding of God and provide spiritual nourishment ? They are described in physical terms but we are told that their source is the soul and its righteousness. Let no one imagine that the verse of the Holy Quran Cited below indicates that the dwellers of paradise on observing these bounties will recognise them that they had been bestowed these bounties aforetime also. As Allah, the Glorious has said: Give glad tidings to those who believe and work perfect righteousness that they will inherit Gardens beneath which rivers flow. Whenever they are provided with fruits therefrom, which they will have already tasted in the life of the world they will exclaim: This is what we were given before, because they will find that those fruits resemble the fruits which they have already tasted (2:26). It is not to be supposed from the wording of this verse that on beholding the bounties of paradise the dwellers of paradise will discover that they are the same bounties which had been bestowed upon them he their previous life. This would be a great mistake and would be contrary to the true meaning of the verse. What God Almighty has said here is that those who believe and work righteousness build a paradise with their own hands the trees of which are their faith and the streams of which are that- righteous actions. In the hereafter also they will eat of the fruits of this paradise, only those fruits will be sweeter and more manifest. As they will have eaten those fruits spiritually in this world they will recognise them in the other world and will exclaim: These appear to be the same fruits that we have already eaten; and they will thud that those fruits resemble the fruits that they had cater before he this world. This verse clearly proclaims that those people who were nurtured in this life on the love of God will be given the same nurture in physical shape in the hereafter. As they will have tasted the delight of love already in this life and would be aware of it, their souls would recall the time when they used to remember their True Beloved in corners, in solitude and in the darkness of night and used to experience its delight. In short. There is no mention he this verse of material food. If it should strike anyone that as the righteous would have been given this spiritual nourishment in their life in this world it could not be said that it was a bounty that no one had seen or heard of in the world nor had it been conceived by the mind of male the answer should be that there is here no contradiction. As this verse does not mean that the dwellers of paradise would be bestowed the bounties of this world. Whatever they arc bestowed by way of comprehension of the Divine are the bounties of the hereafter a specimen of which is given to them he advance to stimulate their eagerness. It should be remembered that a godly person does not belong to the Worldly that is why the world hates him. He belongs to heaven and is bestowed heavenly bounties. A man of the world is given worldly bounties, and a man of heaven is bestowed heavenly bounties. Thus it is true that those bounties are hidden from the ears and hearts and eyes of the worldly; but he whose worldly life suffers death and who is given a drink of the spiritual cup which he will drink in a physical form in the hereafter, will then recall having partaken of it in his previous life. It is true however, that he will consider the eyes and ears of the world as unaware of it. As he was in the world though he was not of the world, he will also testify that the bounties of heaven are not of the world and that he did not see such a bounty in the world nor did his ear hear of it, nor did his mind conceive it. He saw a specimen of those bounties of the hereafter which were not of this world. They were a presage of the world to come to which he was related and had no connection with the life of this world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ideal Singh Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 What is the State of Man after Death? Perhaps you could also read some this... http://sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness/viewtopic.php?t=1013 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hari Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Gur Fateh I would like to ask for some assistance from anyone who has a fair level of knowledge of SGGS from having read the same in its original Gurmukhi form. Is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept of the Day of Judgment refuted expressly in SGGS? If not, how is it dealt with? Thanks. I believe doctrine of DoJ is not refuted in Gurbani.There is mention of DoJ along with Indian concept of Pralaya/Maha-pralaya.Gurbani mentions: DoJ, Azrael (angel of death), Pul Sirat (the bridge to heaven, below is hell, where sinners will fall) and some other Judeo-Islam concepts. I believe there is no conflict or contradiction between DoJ and what Gurbani teaches.You just have to have understanding of these kinds of teachings.I was just reading an English translation of Bhagvat Puran and it said something about the whole of creation going back into the body of Maha-Vishnu, where it sleeps until Maha-Vishnu wakes up again.All unliberated beings will sleep along with Maha-Vishnu.This dissolution has no affect on liberated souls.Something like that. Upajai Nipajai... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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