paapiman Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Warning: Sexually explicit material below. Daas will kindly request sangat, below the age of 25 or people who are greatly affected by Lust, to stay away from this discussion. Please read the Charitar: Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paapiman Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 @amardeep @chatanga1 @Crystal This is the last Charitar in volume 1 of Nidar's book. When will he release volume 2? Is there a way to contact him and ask him about it? Thanks Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 In this Charitar, the wife controls her husband via jantar and mantar (in addition to her beauty). Therefore, the husband's personality is not the only cause for his unmanly behavior. ਰਾਜਾ ਕੌ ਰਾਨੀ ਬਸਿ ਕਿਯੋ ॥ ਜੀਤ ਜੰਤ੍ਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰਨ ਸੌ ਲਿਯੋ ॥ Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 19 hours ago, paapiman said: This is the last Charitar in volume 1 of Nidar's book. £25 for 50 charitars? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, chatanga1 said: £25 for 50 charitars? Cheap arse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 This one is blatantly touching on ruling and governorship at the end. @paapiman Can you stick the original text up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 1:54 PM, paapiman said: In this Charitar, the wife controls her husband via jantar and mantar (in addition to her beauty). Therefore, the husband's personality is not the only cause for his unmanly behavior. ਰਾਜਾ ਕੌ ਰਾਨੀ ਬਸਿ ਕਿਯੋ ॥ ਜੀਤ ਜੰਤ੍ਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰਨ ਸੌ ਲਿਯੋ ॥ I don't think this is a case of black magic tantrism etc. I think here the emphasis is on sweet words and conduct. If we look at the one main story we can see a strong resemblance to the characters involved and the state of the relationship between the King and his wife. It took the King years to find a similiar looking wife, so he won't want to lose her any time soon. So he bows to her every demand. This is what the King in this charitar does. In fact this King goes so far as to let her take control of his rule. We can see in line 12 that the minsiter is telling the King, that Kings should never be blind supporters of their wives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: Can you stick the original text up? https://www.searchgurbani.com/public/dasam-granth/page/1621 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Note the theme of emasculation here as well. ਰਾਜਾ ਕੌ ਰਾਨੀ ਕਿਯਾ ਦੇਖਤ ਸਕਲ ਜਹਾਨ ॥੪॥ Whole world transformed Raja into a Rani.(4) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: ਰਾਜਾ ਕੌ ਰਾਨੀ ਕਿਯਾ ਦੇਖਤ ਸਕਲ ਜਹਾਨ ॥੪॥ The whole world saw that the Raja had been made a Rani. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajjan_Thug Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 5:48 AM, paapiman said: @amardeep @chatanga1 @Crystal This is the last Charitar in volume 1 of Nidar's book. When will he release volume 2? Is there a way to contact him and ask him about it? Thanks Bhul chuk maaf It might be a good idea to compile our research of the first 50 charitars into a document so we can have all the good and relevant information in one place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 If we juxtaposition the last few chariters it is interesting to note the differences in how the female protagonists act. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 2:10 PM, Sajjan_Thug said: It might be a good idea to compile our research of the first 50 charitars into a document so we can have all the good and relevant information in one place. Excellent idea. Gurparsaad, Daas will start preparing a document with posts containing relevant analysis. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 9:29 AM, chatanga1 said: I don't think this is a case of black magic tantrism etc. I think here the emphasis is on sweet words and conduct. ਮੰਤ੍ਰਨ can mean advice. What can ਜੰਤ੍ਰ mean (in this context) to indicate that the emphasis is on sweet words and conduct, and not on Tantrism? The following are the meanings of ਜੰਤ੍ਰ from Mahan Kosh: ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ- ਜੰਤੁ. ਜਾਨਵਰ। ੨. ਸੰ. ਯੰਤ੍ਰ. ਕਲ. ਮਸ਼ੀਨ. ਭਾਵ- ਦੇਹ. "ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ੍ਰ ਸਭਿ ਤੇਰੇ ਥਾਪੇ." (ਮਾਝ ਮਃ ੫) ਜੀਵਾਤਮਾ ਅਤੇ ਜਿਸਮ ਸਭ ਤੇਰੇ ਥਾਪੇ। ੩. ਵਾਜਾ। ੪. ਤੰਤ੍ਰਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਟੂਣਾ. ਦੇਖੋ, ਯੰਤ੍ਰ. "ਨ ਜੰਤ੍ਰ ਮੇ ਨ ਤੰਤ੍ਰ ਮੇ ਨ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਵਸਿ ਆਵਈ." (ਅਕਾਲ) ੫. ਸੰ. ਜਨਿਤ੍ਰ. ਜਨਮਸ੍ਥਾਨ. "ਜੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੂੰ ਨ ਜਾਤਿ ਜਾਂਕੀ." (ਅਕਾਲ) Thanks Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 7:10 PM, Sajjan_Thug said: It might be a good idea to compile our research of the first 50 charitars into a document so we can have all the good and relevant information in one place. A good idea to try and get some idea of the underlying themes throughout the Granth as it progresses through charitars. For instance, it's important to recognise that the King saw the folly of his actions and withdrew the death sentence on his son. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, chatanga1 said: A good idea to try and get some idea of the underlying themes throughout the Granth as it progresses through charitars. For instance, it's important to recognise that the King saw the folly of his actions and withdrew the death sentence on his son. Sorry but when did he withdraw the death sentence ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 17 hours ago, amardeep said: Sorry but when did he withdraw the death sentence ? I can't remember which charitar it was but it was around 28 ish. The one where the King said " your words are like nectar in my ears." After that there is no mention of the son being presented from or returned to prison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 My memory is fading- was there a mentioning of the son being presented etc in the earlier charitars? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 8:10 PM, Sajjan_Thug said: It might be a good idea to compile our research of the first 50 charitars into a document so we can have all the good and relevant information in one place. I tried something similiar here. Feel free to continue the charitar summaries by going through the earlier posts: www.sikhawareness.com/topic/18885-summary-findings-of-the-charitro-pakhyan/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 7:31 PM, amardeep said: Sorry but when did he withdraw the death sentence ? Charitar#30 (According to Nidar). @chatanga1 - Nara saab does not mention in Chartiar# 30 that the death sentence has been withdrawn. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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