hirdepreetpardeshi Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh laterly I have started a small movement in the eradication of the term SGGS or any other abbreviation in reference to our sikh gurus. I know its sounds petty but using referencing like SGGS instead of Guru Granth Sahib makes it sound like we're quoting from a book rather than the spritual and temperal Guru of the Sikhs Would any of us call Guru Nanak Dev Ji - SNDJ? lets stop the rot!! I know people type it to save time when typing, but lets show our Guru respect and not treat it like a book. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 interesting point veer ji. Also since we are at it - we should look say full fateh- VahiguroojikakhalsaVahiguroojikifateh instead of gurfateh, fateh, VJKK VJKF. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirdepreetpardeshi Posted May 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!! I suppose, but using terms like Guru Ji is not volitile, I dont feel that Fateh or GurFateh is volitile either, if that was the case then Sat Sri Akal shouldnt be used either. I simply want the proper respect shown. Last week my cousin called Guru Teg Bahadur Gurdwara GTB which alone is offensive seeing that the sacrifice Guru Teg Bahadur Ji made. Would muslims call Mohammed- Mo, or Christians call Jesus Christ - JC. Why do we as Sikhs show any lack of respect to our Guru's Whom made similar or greater sacrifices. I personall would like websites like this to filter these things and allow properate respect and not use abbreviations. Its funny because i made a similar article for Sikhnet.com, some agreed some thought there's alot more important things to worry about, which is also true, but when I tried to point out that using SGGS as a reference to our sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was like we are quoting from a book. They stopped my article. So its ok to say that SGGS like sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a book, buts its not ok to mention it. It not good enough! Fateh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I simply want the proper respect shown. showing respect comes in different forms for different people..no one is at same dedication level..we had people in guru maharaj time thought of him as mere fakir.. some even throw stones at guru maharaj ji... this world is like that..but first we need to change ourselves in order to make a change in soceity.. in that state , it will reflected on soceity automatically. anyway you are doing great seva for bringing awareness when it comes to these minor issues...just because it's a minor issue that does not mean we should over look them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirdepreetpardeshi Posted May 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 brother you are right, the level of respect is dependant on the person and their own interest in the subject. and yes our Guru's were called many things during their lifetimes. some that were not flaterring. But we are Sikhs, It should be in our interests to safeguard our principles and propell the level of respect that we should expect from all people in reverence to our prophets and beliefs. You would always find muslims quote there prophet like 'Phophet Mohammed, Praise be upon him' or something on those lines. Would anyone that is muslim or non-muslim dare call phophet Mohammed anything else. Why cant we as Sikhs show the same? yesterday muslims began to riot just hearing about the Koran being 'disgraced' in America. I think Sikhs should have that urgency about their faith and rights. not saying we should become terriorists or fanatics or become watchdogs policing how people percieve our Guru's elsewhere. But on our own Websites- yes! we should safeguard our own interests. If we can show respect for ourselves, others must surely follow suit. anyway I'll leave it there Waheguru Ji Ka, Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
challenge_everything Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 hmmm respect or love? - I chose love 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirdepreetpardeshi Posted May 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 You have to respect the one you love, how can you love something and not have any reasonable amount of respect. would you love your wife and show explicit photos of her to your friends, or degrade her by calling her abusive words. how do you show love? with respect respect is love 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Singh Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Nice point hpp But I personally don’t feel I’m disrespecting Maharaj using abbreviations, it’s just for quicker writing that’s all. Correct me if I’m wrong, but even in Gurbani, Guru ji uses just “mama†to abbreviate for “mahala†at times. In other cases “Guru†is abbreviated using “Gurâ€. Also, I would understand that if we were to write a formal essay of sorts, or some other form of scholarly material, then using abbreviations does seem inappropriate, but for these types of forums, I think it’s acceptable. Just an opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liono Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Good point to respect Guru Maharaaj by writing Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee rather than abbreviated, its more respect. Every Sikh I ever met which ever background has called Maharaaj "Guru Granth Sahib Jee" - dont understand why the constant attack on Sikhi from so called Sikhs is happening, one example is Maharaaj being called 'Adi Guru Durbar'. Again these so called sanatan sikhs (kal de jamne) rewriting and disrespecting Sikhi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 'Ad Guru Durbar'. I don't think label ad guru granth is any insult...it's singh sabha who created siri guru granth sahib... guru granth sahib ji maharaj always been called ad guru granth sahib maharaj. don't ask me why... someone knowledgeable will explain that :roll: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liono Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 I have heard Maharaaj referred as Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee (not sure why - again more knowledgeable can answer this) but never as Adi Guru Durbar bhul chuk maaf karna jee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 I have heard Maharaaj referred as Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee (not sure why - again more knowledgeable can answer this) but never as Adi Guru Durbar bhul chuk maaf karna jee i think there is no difference in prounciation between ad or adi...it's prounced as "ad".. it's just way of saying it i think just like you don't prounce knife as "k"nife. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirdepreetpardeshi Posted May 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!! sorry for not replying from such a long time. Firstly yes in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahala “mama†is the abbreviation for “mahala†at times. In other cases “Guru†is abbreviated using “Gur". However there is a poblem still in using the abbreviation of SGGS because this does not only happen in threads like this but in books about Sikhi. Can I ask how many people get annoyed when people call the Guru Granth Sahib Ji a book? then you try to explain that The Guru Granth Sahib Ji is really the eleventh Guru of the Sikhs, but still people insists its a book. Naturally you try to explain that the Guruship is a light not a body. But once people see the SGGS abbreviation that the thought of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji as a book is already embedded in all those whom are not sikhs by birth or have no previous knowledge of Sikhism. What I am trying to say is yes when we as Sikhs see the word SGGS we can safely assume we are refering to the Guru Granth Sahib Ji the Guru of the Sikhs adn the repsect hereof, However when a none Sikh reads its, it is easy to see that they regard the Guru Granth Sahib as just our holy book rather than the shining light of Guru Nanak. that is the fear I have, when none Sikhs see the Guru Granth Sahib Ji they just think its a book rather than the eleventh Guru of the Sikhs Secondly I see some people have said that the Guru Grath Sahib Ji is called Adi Guru Durbar. I never heard about that, but I do recall the Guru Grath Sahib Ji being called Adi Granth and still today. now I know that the Guru Granth Sahib was called Adi Granth before recieving the Guru guddi. much like Guru Gobind Singh Ji was called Guru Gobind Rai before Guru Ji took amrit. could someone explain to me what Adi Guru Durbar means? much appreciated! Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkle Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 lmao .......... if anything you re propagating lunacy ............. abbreviations not allowed ............. what next ....... :arrow: TCYFBOM.......... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHANBABANANAK Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 hirdepreetpardeshi i agree with ur point! waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toGood Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 A very good point. When im texting my bro in India texting waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh at the start and end of the coversation taks the whole message. Can this be used in the right context i agree within forums and general comms that the abbreviation is not appropriate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahegurubol Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh laterly I have started a small movement in the eradication of the term SGGS or any other abbreviation in reference to our sikh gurus. I know its sounds petty but using referencing like SGGS instead of Guru Granth Sahib makes it sound like we're quoting from a book rather than the spritual and temperal Guru of the Sikhs Would any of us call Guru Nanak Dev Ji - SNDJ? lets stop the rot!! I know people type it to save time when typing, but lets show our Guru respect and not treat it like a book. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!! agreed... Good point ! I think we can quote as "Mahalla #" or if its by a bhagat, then the name of the bhagat with the page no. included. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipledgeblue Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 some1 explain what the word granth means??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 It is derived from the word 'grantha' which was an ancient script used for writing Sahanskriti (particularly in South India) before Devangari became more popular as of late. From this word which refered to that most important tool and language which was uses to communicate and preserve ancient wisdom - has come a number of other words and understandings i.e. Granth and Granthi - which in modern Indian understanding, mainly relates to book of knowledge - commonly divine - and the Granthi, he who understands this knowledge and shares it with those interested. Guru Arjun Dev Ji added the word 'Adi' to his timeless compilation of the supreme truth to distinguish it from all other granths... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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