Jonny101

Sanu vi Dasan di kirpa karo

Of course!! who else is to blame? had the Hindus not betrayed their own language in favour of Hindi today Punjab would have been a larger state. In the end, this move by the Punjabi Hindus only back fired on them. Before the unfair division of Punjab, they were ruling Punjabi politics. Today they are now a minority in Punjab, Haryana and Himachal and trusted by neither the Sikhs, Haryanvi or Pahadias. What a shame

If Bhagat Singh, Udham Singh and Kartar Singh were alive during 1984 and saw what Indira Gandhi did to their Punjab and their peole, they would have joined the other Sikh youth militants in their fight against injustice. Udham Singh would have probably done what Satwant Singh-Beant Singh or Sukha-Jinda did. Khalistani militants took much of their inspiration from these great men.

For someone who claims to be a so called "communist", Mr. MA is extremely pro Hindu(what a contradiction!). He justifies all of their anti Sikh moves or just out right denies them, but if Sikhs do anything in protest or resist then that is totally unjustifiable and communal. If Sikhs even sneeze, it's probably an Anti Hindu sneeze. His sense of justice is the worst I've ever seen. My family background(from Nanke side) is communist who were involved in the communist party way back even before partition happened during the early years of the communist movement in India. Mr MA is certainly not authentic communist. ਮੈਨੂੰ ਤਾਂ ਇਹ ਬੰਦਾ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਲਗ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ, ਜੋ ਝੂਟੋ ਝੂਟ ਹੀ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਸਿਖ ਤੇ ਕੌਮਨਿਸਟ ਕਿਹ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ

One thing I think Sikh Parcharaks need to do is stop infighting with each other. Due to this infighting, we just end up cancelling each other out. Let the Sants, Taksals, AKJ, Nihangs, Nirmalas, missionaries, SGPC all do their own parchar. Just don't do parchar against each other. Once we have this type of mindset, then the real parchar will take place towards Sikhs and non Sikhs and Sikhi will grow. Our own infighting has resulted in the rise of Nakli Gurudoms in Punjab, Christian proselytism and the likes of Sumedh Saini trying to spread Islam. Bhai Jugraj Singh of Basics of Sikhi has a good approach. We need parcharaks like him in India and watch how people will gravitate towards Sikhi.

This has been a long awaited demand of the Sikhs that Punjabi speaking areas given to Haryana be given back to Punjab. The division of Punjab was a long term strategy by the central government. By giving the Punjabis a Punjabi Suba with all the genuine Punjabi speaking areas, they knew that the Haryanvis with a small Haryana state would then look towards merging Jat inhabited lands of western UP(Harit Pradesh) and this in turn would weaken UP which was Nehru's support base. The central government made such an unfair division of Punjab which insured that the two states would keep their horns locked with each other over territorial issues so the Harianvis do not look towards UP. The Bania has even surpassed the Angrez in his divide and rule strategy.

The same weed Bhagat Singh, Kartar Singh Sarabha and Udham Singh took. Don't be too confident. Circumstances will not remain the same. India is surrounded by hostile nations who want nothing but bad for India. Possibly It is in that chaos and confusion that Khalsa Raaj/Khalistan will happen. Only Guru Sahib knows how He will keep the Laaj of this Panth and grant them Raaj.

very true. Before looking outward, first Sikhs need a secure base in the form of Khalistan. Only after this will Khalsa Raaj expand. ਪਿਹਲਾ ਖੜ੍ਹਣ ਲਈ ਜਗਾ ਬਣਾ ਲਈਏ, ਬਾਚੋਂ ਬੈਟਨ ਲਈ ਜਗਾ ਭੀ ਬਣਾ ਲਵਾਂਗੇ

Damn media!

^ | | | Seems like we have another Hindu trying to stir trouble here by masking himself as a communist

How do you reconcile your peaceful views with Ghadhar movement which would have waged a violent movement in India had they not been found out on time and been successful? and Naxalites who are being trained and armed by China to cause bloodshed and terrorism in India. Yet you have issues with Khalistan movement. Communism is a failed ideology. Russia collapsed because of this. China today is just communist in name only, but has now almost become a capitalist state. In India Bengal and Kerala have destroyed their industries.

You are so out of touch of the situation during the 80s and before. You think the Hindu Punjabis of today are like the hostile Arya Samaji Hindus of the previous decades. Nothing could be further from the truth. Today's Hindus do not oppose Punjab's demands. Punjabi Hindus of the past had opposed the Punjabi language, Punjab river water issue, declaring Amritsar as a holy city like Banaras is for Hindus. You are also confusing Harianvi Hindus with Punjabi ones. Harianvi Hindus do not even speak Punjab, but the Punjabi Hindus were full blooded Punjabis yet opposed Punjabi language. The reason for that was just to oppose the Sikhs, otherwise they had no reason to oppose Punjabi language. Sikhs never had any issue with Haryanvis. For all we care they can form their own greater Jat state with Jat areas of Rajasthan, MP, UP after they give back Punjabi speaking areas of Haryana back to Punjab. And how is demanding Punjabi language be give it's due status, Punjabi speaking lands in Haryana merged into Punjab, Punjab's river water issue a "Sikh issue"??? It very smart of Punjabi Hindus to have falsely present these genuine demands into communal ones. And the communists(Kaum-Nasht) of Punjab being anti Sikh to the core also supported the Hindus against the Sikhs. No wonder communists lost all their support base from amongst the Punjabi peasants. I'm glad the communists have no say in Punjab, because if one looks at where the communists managed to form the state governments, they've turned Bangal and Kerala into economic backward states which are now on the verge of being taken over by Muslims. Communist? not thanks...

http://www.thenewstribe.com/2014/02/19/indian-singer-hans-raj-hans-embraces-islam-wants-to-go-madinah/ Lahore: Indian famous singer Hans Raj Hans has confirmed media reports in which it was mentioned that the singer has embraced Islam. According to a report published in newspaper, the singer said his name would be Mohammad Yousuf for now but he cleared that he will maintain his name ‘Hans Raj Hans’ for singing industry. He said he has got the Islamic education very closely and started reading of Holy Quran and gradually began to understand the essence of the divine revelation. I listened to the call of my heart and decided to embrace Islam.” We should follow the teaching of Islam as it is a Religion of Love and Peace, he added. Raj further said that he felt proud to become a Muslim, adding that he wanted to visit Madinah as early as possible. He emphasized both India and Pakistan to resolve all the problems with dialogue as it was the wish of the people of both the countries.

Bro try to see things in proper historical context instead of making blanket statements against Sant Jee. After 1947, Punjabi Hindus always voted as Hindus in competition against the Sikhs. When ever Sikhs took up the cause of Punjab, the Punjabi Hindus would oppose it just because the Sikhs had espoused the cause. Example of this is the rights of Punjabi language. The Sikhs supported the cause of their mother tongue as loyal sons of Punjab, but the Hindus of Punjab opposed the demand simply to counter the Sikhs. So when a community begins to vote as one united block as opposers to the Sikhs, then obviously Sant Jee will refer to them by their name.

What are you talking about? when did I write anything anti Hindu? It is only the Punjabi Hindus who are under the evil influence of Arya Samaj that are the trouble makers. Rest of the Hindus are alright. Plus I have never said anything against Hindu Dharm because I know Arya Samaj as distortion of real Hindu Dharm. Before Arya Samaj came to Punjab, Sikhs and Hindus were close. But since the creation of this evil sect, nothing has been the same. They created mistrust and competitive type attitude in the minds of Hindus against the Sikhs where previously there was none.

Khalistan is just a starting point. Eventually all of India will become part of Khalsa Raaj. When India is under the rule of the Khalsa, Dharm will prevail and it will be like the return of Satyug. Had the Sikhs won during the Anglo Sikh wars, India would have come under Khalsa Raaj way back then. But that was just a temporary setback. Khalsa Raaj will eventually happen, first in Punjab then in all of India.

That's what I was talking about with these singers who slyly promote Islam in the form of Sufism. Hans Raj Hans was showing the signs years ago. Most of his Sikhi related songs are from the 80s to mid 90s. After that he just stopped. Just get ready for the others to follow suit namely Sartaj and Kanwar Grewal who I feel are closet Muslims especially Grewal. What kind of message this will send to their fans especially Sikh youth lets see. Another possibility I see is a lot of people "convert" to Islam in India in order to marry a second time(as Dharmindra did) or maybe he has converted to Islam for a Muslim lady much as a Nakai Sardar who was the heir to the Nakai misl did a long time ago.

I think you only got half the picture right here. Before you joined, there was a user called Ekomkar who is a Punjabi Hindu. He and to a lesser degree his friend Sher had written a lot of Bakwas here against the Sikhs, Sikh history and even celebrated operation blue star. It was in response to him that I wrote some stuff here which you find objectionable. Usually I don't write this type of stuff with such direct language but one must use iron to cut iron(Loha Lohay noon Katda hai). To counter Ekomkar's lies me and others here had to put everything in proper historical and factual context because they were presenting a very distorted picture of what happened in the 1980s. As for Pakistan or Muslim issue, can you show me here where someone wrote something objectionable.

Dal Singh Jee, nothing wrong in joining the military. It builds character and maintains a martial tradition and at times of need these experienced veterans can also become useful in the defense of their people(ex Gen Shahbeg Singh, Baba Manochahal). Yes fighting for one's freedom is a true sign of the Khalsa, but one should certainly not look down upon those serving in the military.The vast majority of freedom fighters (pre 1947) were veterans and neither did they ever look down upon their fellow countrymen who served in the military. Even during the 1980s, Sikh militants never looked down upon Sikh soldiers in the Indian army.

I'm all for jokes. I like to laugh like anyone else. But I certainly don't like jokes at someone else's expense that makes an entire community look like half brained idiots. Among the Sikhs you will find people who are highly educated who have made their mark in the world of business, academia, politics, military yet the two other communities of South Asia have made these hurtful jokes on our people. The least we can do is not become a participant in our own mockery.

excellent points. In addition to this, growth of the community should also be promoted in the form of proselytizing. Since it is against the law to proselytize Muslims, so Sikhi parchar can be directed towards the Hindus and Christian communities who number in the millions. The future of the Gurdwaras will not be secure without an active Sikh community around these historic Gurdwaras. Sikhs community in Pakistan should at least be a million strong.

no more or less than anyone else belonging to the Hindu, Muslim or Christian community.

These Sardarji jokes are created by Hindus and Muslims of the sub continent to poke fun at Sikhs. Until the civil rights movement in America, it was common place for white people to openly make jokes on the black people. Just look at the portrayal of Sikhs in bollywood movies as jokers, in America they would portray black people as fools in old black&white movies usually played by white actors who would blacken their faces with makeup. It's only after the civil rights movement that it became a taboo for whites to carry on with their racist jokes. These jokes were originally done at bholay-bhaalay rural Sikhs by urban Hindus and Muslims. But they never dared to make these jokes at the faces of Sikhs, it was always done behind our backs. But with the rise of Hindi movies, it took anti Sikh jokes to a whole new level where Sikhs would be openly mocked as fools for the whole nation to see. Not surprising since bollywood was dominated by the urban Punjabi Hindus. Watching this jokerish portrayal of Sardars since childhood, what Sikh boy wants to grow up looking like a Sardar? what Sikh girl will want to marry a joker when she grows up? the result is these children grow up with an inferiority complex and end up cutting their hair because they don't want to look like jokers. Although the Sardarji jokes were started even before partition but the Santa Banta jokes were started during the 80s by Hindus right after operation bluestar. These anti Sikh jokes were even encouraged as the man in the video has rightly said. As you have pointed out, you will never find a Hindu making Hindu jokes on a Hindu forum or Muslims making Muslim jokes on a Islamic forum. And Dal Singh Veer Jeo, having pride I did not mean hankaar. By pride I meant self respect. If we ourselves do not have self respect, what respect can we expect from others? If you respect yourself, others will also respect you.

I agree that the fist joke was a witty joke, although in bad taste. But the other ones after are the typical Sardar Jee jokes Hindus do to make Sikhs look stupid especially the mosquito one.