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You missed no.12 bro. ਨਰ ਨਾਰਿਨ ਮਿਲ ਖੇਲ ਰਚਾਯੋ ॥ Men and women together played ਫੂਲ ਪਾਨ ਕੈਫਾਨ ਮੰਗਾਯੋ ॥ They brought opium, betel leaves and alcohol ਦੁਹੂੰ ਓਰ ਨਵਲਾਸਿਨ ਮਾਰੈ ॥ Both the young ones (males and females) are throwing colors at each other ਮਧੁਰ ਮਧੁਰ ਧੁਨਿ ਗੀਤ ਉਚਾਰੈ ॥੧੨॥ They sing in melodious voices. Bhul chuk maaf

Mahanand from Charitar#4 was also one-eyed. It is also possible that Maharaaj is giving updesh to handicap (physically or mentally) people (who are in powerful positions) that they must be extra careful in order to avoid deception. Bhul chuk maaf

These three words are used again later in the Charitar. ਮਨ ਕ੍ਰਮ ਬਚ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਬਸਿ ਭਈ ॥ Again, it is possible that Maharaaj is trying to teach us to think (or discuss) an issue, before jumping to enact it. One characteristic of intellectually/spiritually weak people would be to act instantly on their impulses. This is the case with Chachar Mati in this Charitar, after she sees the handsome acrobat. Bhul chuk maaf

Chachar Mati means "joyous singing intellect:. Mani Sen means "a proud army". Bhul chuk maaf

ਰਮੀ ਜਾਰ ਸੌ ਰਾਇ ਕੀ ਆਖ ਅੰਬੀਰਹ ਡਾਰਿ ॥੩॥ The word "ਅੰਬੀਰਹ" means a colored powder. According to Niddar, it is a scented powder made by mixing musk, rose water, saffron and sandalwood. Bhul chuk maaf

That's a great observation. There are two possibilities now: First one as you said. An unintended message coming out of the king's mouth, indicating his nature in general. Second, it is possible that the order has been changed to conform with grammar/poetry rules (Kaab Nijam). Bhul chuk maaf

Niddar mentions in his translation that the king has realized that his son is innocent and decides to release his son at this point. Let's look at those verses again. The second verse has to be analyzed very deeply. ਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੀ ਸੌ ਕਹੀ ॥ Chitar Singh said to the minister ਹਮ ਤੇ ਸਕਲ ਕੁਕ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਰਹੀ ॥ There Raja Chiter Singh to the Minister, ‘Whatever you said, it has eliminated any treachery from my mind. (Bindra) Chitar Singh then said to the Minister "I have done everything wrong" (Yours) I am free of all my evil deeds (Niddar) Because of you, I have avoided the evil deeds (of sentencing and killing my son)* ਤੁਮ ਜੋ ਹਮ ਸੌ ਬਚਨ ਉਚਾਰੇ ॥ (same translation as yours above) ਜਾਨੁਕ ਸੁਧਾ ਸ੍ਰਵਨ ਭਰਿ ਡਾਰੇ ॥੧॥ * - IMHO Bhul chuk maaf

Spot on Paaji. Also, IMHO, the best thing one can do when having different sorts of spiritual experiences is to talk to a Brahamgyani or Gurmukhs of high avastha. Forums are good, but physical meetings with realized souls can be really helpful. For example, Brahamgyanis can actually see your Chakras (energy points) and then guide you in the right direction accordingly. There could be something wrong with your attitude/way of living, they can advise you on that too. Also, someone above mentioned about mental disturbance. This can happen if a person is not spiritually ready to absorb the vast amount of Naam energy. Solutions If you are not an Amritdhari (having spiritual experiences), you need to partake Amrit asap from five Rehatvaan Gurmukhs. Khande da amrit prepares a human body to absorb Naam energy. If you are an Amritdhari (involved in intense meditation) and feel that you are developing some kind of a mental illness, then seek advice of Brahamgyanis/Gurmukhs of high avastha. Bhul chuk maaf

Quote The Jathedar said in wake of unending controversies over movies made on Sikh religion or showing a Sikh character he would soon announce formation of a Sikh Censor Board, which would include representatives from the SGPC, the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee (DSGMC), Sikh institutes, sects, Sant Samaj and filmmakers. Unquote[1] [1] - http://www.sikhnet.com/news/akal-takht-imposes-complete-ban-‘nanak-shah-fakir’ Bhul chuk maaf

Gurparsaad, Daas will get back to you by the end of the month. Bhul chuk maaf

Happy Khalsa Saajna Diwas/Sangrand (Visakhi) to All. Bhul chuk maaf

Sangat jee - There will be an Amrit Sanchar conducted at Nanaksar Gurudwara (the one near Sheridan college) in Brampton, Ontario tomorrow at 5 pm. Bhul chuk maaf

Arth of the above verse by Prof.Sahib Singh jee Arth by Sant Gyani Kirpal Singh jee (Amir Bhandar Teeka) Bhul chuk maaf

Please see below for the arth done by Prof.Sahib Singh jee, who has used grammar for doing arths. Bhul chuk maaf

Daas never said that. There are many practices which might be prohibited in Sikhism, but can bring a person closer to Waheguru jee. For example, controlled use of intoxicants, tantric sexual practices, extreme austerities, etc. If people (especially non-Sikhs or Nigure) want to try them to move ahead in spirituality, they can do so. Personally, I have no problem with that. Let's just stay on the topic, which Bhangra/Gidha Vs Sikhism. Bhul chuk maaf

It depends on the quantity. Small quantity of alcohol can help a person to calm down. Even, some Jogis in the olden times consumed it to assist them in their meditation process. Bhul chuk maaf

Agreed that there are other approaches to realizing God, but this is a Sikh forum and our focus should be to propagate Sikh approaches towards the divine. Bhul chuk maaf

Daas has mentioned this before on the forum. Gurbani cannot be bound by any rules of Grammar. Please see Mahan Kosh (the seventh meaning). https://www.searchgurbani.com/mahan-kosh/view Please listen to the katha of this verse by Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindranwale. Baba jee also clearly mentions that Nachna Thapna is prohibited in Sikhism. Please start listening at 10:30 min: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Gurbachan_Singh_(Bhindran_wale)/Guru_Granth_Sahib_Larivaar_Katha/Volume_05_Ang_0347-0462/033--Sant.Gurbachan.Singh.(Bhindran.wale)--Raag.Aasaa--Ang-381.mp3 Bhul chuk maaf

So, if a Sikh drinks alcohol to calm his nerves and then attaches (or tries to attach) his consciousness via meditation to Waheguru jee, will that be acceptable to Sri Satguru jee? You are not looking at that verse from a broad perspective and thereby limiting its scope. Definitively attaching consciousness to Waheguru jee is a part of that shabad, but that does not mean that it is not condemning dancing along with it. Bhul chuk maaf

ਨਿਰਤਿ - This word has multiple meanings. Two of which are endless love and decision making process Therefore, a more appropriate translation of the verse would be ਤੇਰਾ ਜਨੁ ਨਿਰਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ Your Servant has endless love for you and sings your praises Or Your servant involves himself in decision making process (indictating Gurmat veechar) and sings your prasies Bhul chuk maaf

Excessive arguments might have a negative effect on one's spirituality, but intellectual discussions/Gurmat Veechars (which often take place on this forum) are a 1000 times better than Bhangra/Gidha. That is why we have Shastar Vidya, Gatka, Physical seva (in Gurudwaras), Yoga, etc, within Sikhism. Again, they are a 1000 times better than Bhangra/Gidha. Bhul chuk maaf

Gurparsaad, will contribute to this topic in the future. Bhul chuk maaf

Please have a look below. http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/meditation-provides-physical-mental-and-emotional-benefits Bhul chuk maaf