CuriousSeeker

I agree with @Sat1176.  

@sarabatamYour mixing advait vedanta/self inquiry and bhagti maarg.  Even Maharishi Ramanas references to hirda/heart and Sant Isher Singh jis bachan are being misinterpreted.  In the divaan they are talking about where the mind goes in 3 stages below turiya.  Can't have your feet in multiple boats at the same time.  Even if bhagti/self inquiry go hand in hand EVENTUALLY (from a realization P.ov, not a theoretical mental understanding).  As for the guidance on self inquiry, there are a few public teachers but no one at Maharishi's fortitude.

Go back to the basics, drop the mental gyaan and just build from there.  As @Sat1176pointed out there are gurmukhs in the public sphere that guide well on bhagti maarg, even if not all at fully realized atam gyan it's a good start.  Books and mixing and matching bachans from various realized maha atmas has left you not far from your initial starting point.  Need guidance from someone who you can speak and communicate with regularly .

More clarification on Maharishis teachings as imo he is the best source for Maharishi Ramanas life/teachings.

https://www.davidgodman.org/meditation-on-the-heart-centre/

Interesting replies from the Sikh liberals on social media. In regards to the perpetrator being killed.  Thoughts from forum members? @Lucky @sarabatam @paapiman

@SunnySingh @Sat1176

One thing that is interesting to see is people that are doubting others expierences.  This is a public anonymous forum rather then a public public one. 

Please just go internally and just see, any other debate on the matter is just that, a debate of words and nothing spoken of personal expierence. 

19 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bhagat Jaswant Singh jee emphasizes on the subtle pronunciations. I don't think other Taksali ustaads are against his way, but it is not possible to complete an Akhand Paath in 48 hrs or complete your nitnem in 1 hr using his method. Other Taksali ustads probably pronounce siharis and aukars in a very subtle and quick way.

IMHO, this cannot be considered as a major difference within Taksal.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes, they pronounce the akhars very clearly not in a subtle manner like many of the other ustaads.  Its not a major difference however i was just pointing out there differences between various ustaads and pronunciations. There are some differences of bhindhis and vishraams as well. Doesnt make one right and the others wrong.  Thats all i wanted to add to the topic.  

11 minutes ago, samurai2 said:

Go on.. talk on differences..

Also give your opinion on siharahi.. or are you going to miss that....conveniently ??

 

Just look at the pronunciation differences between Giani Surjit Singh Sodhi ji, Bhagat Jaswant Singh ji (gursevak) and Baba Baldev Singh ji jogewal. Also thats just within Damdami taksal.   If you compare to Sato Gali Wali taksal (shaheed bhai mani singh ji), you'll find even more differences.  

Even though imo its still best to learn  from an expierenced ustaad understand that not everyone can.  

As for sihari i personally  pronounce it subtle eh, but  if you listen to Bhagat Jaswant Singh jis, its not a subtle eh at all.  And thats okay too.   

3 minutes ago, samurai2 said:

I do not know why you have conveniently jumped on this topic picking me out. The fact you have sat on your fat arse all this time when gurbani pronunciation has been questioned and only got involved for pointing an apparent energy tells me all i need to know. That's the reason for my "foul" language, people like you.  

Only bringing this up as I dont understand the need for all the swearing you do and condescending tone of your posts.Especially on these forums as im pretty sure thats not the teachings of your vidhya guru or sggsji but your own ego.

Have a break, you don't want me to get started. 

I'm only waiting for Lucky's response. He seems genuine.

Fair, you are who you are and lets us walk our paths.  

Only jumped in because you pointed to taksal santhiya and implied that it is uniform.  When that is far from the case, there are many differences within taksal, of pronunciations. Even chaal isnt uniform.

On 6/12/2018 at 3:06 AM, Lucky said:

Good abundant supply of ojas can help raise the kundalini, but it's not the same thing as kundalini energy. It's a subtle energy throughout the body that is akin to path of cerebrospinal fluid.  Whereas Prana is a life force energy that sustains our jeev, Ojas affects you physically in terms of stamina, vitality and health.   If you have lack of stamina, and internal energy, then your ojas is depleted.   Lots of apnay have poor ojas, as apparent from spare tire waists, pot bellies and lack of muscle.

Ive been looking into it and ojas seems to be a core part of ayurvedic thought of medicine.  I am somewhat familar with the balancing of pitta/vata/kapha in ayurveda.  Not sure how familar you are with it but ojas is linked with kapha.

If you do have yogi bachans lectures, i would be interested in reading them and his explanation of ojas.  

7 hours ago, samurai2 said:

Exactly. Taught yourself. 

people on here doubting Taksal santhiya based on their "own" understanding and teaching? Mate, its a fukin joke..

It's like a boy learning martial arts on youtube only to be found out in the dojo. Taksal is from the grandmaster. (if you do martial arts you will appreciate lineage and grandmasters)

This whole topic of "how to read gurbani" is a joke. To learn, there are places all over the world, it will not change due to one mans ego. 

Spiritual awareness/experiences does not automatically give you the right to know everything. When you talk about Hari/hareh in use of meditation and subtle experience is not the same as gurbani pronunciation.  pronounciation is for sangat with a "patthi" giving ucharan.. do you not get this?.. its not personal, its a seva..

 

 

As someone whos learned from taksal and various ustaads, even the many students of Sant Gurbachan Singh ji have differences in how they teach and pronounce things. There are many differences within "Taksal santhiya" as you call it. 

Only bringing this up as I dont understand the need for all the swearing you do and condescending tone of your posts.Especially on these forums as im pretty sure thats not the teachings of your vidhya guru or sggsji but your own ego.

Here is swami vivekanands description. Seems to be referring to ojas as the kundalini energy rising. He is talking about shushmana opening here as well after balancing of ida/pingla.

The Ojas

The "Ojas" is that which makes the difference between man and man. The man who has much Ojas is the leader of men. It gives a tremendous power of attraction. Ojas is manufactured from the nerve-currents. It has this peculiarity: it is most easily made from that force which manifests itself in the sexual powers. If the powers of the sexual centres are not frittered away and their energies wasted (action is only thought in a grosser state), they can be manufactured into Ojas. The two great nerve currents of the body start from the brain, go down on each side of the spinal cord, but they cross in the shape of the figure 8 at the back of the head. Thus the left side of the body is governed by the right side of the head. At the lowest point of the circuit is the sexual centre, the Sacral Plexus. The energy conveyed by these two currents of nerves comes down, and a large amount is continually being stored in the Sacral Plexus. The last bone in the spine is over the Sacral Plexus and is described in symbolic language as a triangle; and as the energy is stored up beside it, this energy is symbolised by a serpent. Consciousness and subconsciousness work through these two nerve-currents. But superconsciousness takes off the nerve-current when it reaches the lower end of the circuit, and instead of allowing it to go up and complete the circuit, stops and forces it up the spinal cord as Ojas from the Sacral Plexus. The spinal cord is naturally closed, but it can be opened to form a passage for this Ojas. As the current travels from one centre of the spinal cord to another, you can travel from one plane of existence to another. This is why the human being is greater than others, because all planes, all experiences, are possible to the spirit in the human body. We do not need another; for man can, if he likes, finish in his body his probation and can after that become pure spirit. When the Ojas has gone from centre to centre and reaches the Pineal Gland (a part of the brain to which science can assign no function), man then becomes neither mind nor body, he is free from all bondage.

The great danger of psychic powers is that man stumbles, as it were, into them, and knows not how to use them rightly. He is without training and without knowledge of what has happened to him. The danger is that in using these psychic powers, the sexual feelings are abnormally roused as these powers are in fact manufactured out of the sexual centre. The best and safest way is to avoid psychic manifestations, for they play the most horrible pranks on their ignorant and untrained owners.

To go back to symbols. Because this movement of the Ojas up the spinal cord feels like a spiral one, it is called the "snake". The snake, therefore, or the serpent, rests on the bone or triangle. When it is roused, it travels up the spinal cord; and as it goes from centre to centre, a new natural world is opened inside us—the Kundalini is roused.

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https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_6/Notes_Of_Class_Talks_And_Lectures/Lessons_On_Raja-Yoga

I have heard many different schools of thought on ojas and energy conversion into ojas.  

Swami Vivekanand referred to sexual energy being transferred into ojas.  

Have read about about another line of thought that ojas is sexual energy and needs to be converted into divine energy.   

My own opinion is that both these lines of thought are just referring to the same thing, just using different words.

What is ojas? And how does it effect one on their journey?

Would appreciate input from,  @Lucky @Xylitol @Sat1176

12 hours ago, Lucky said:

I understand what you mean about the "he is me",  and I would also agree with your understanding. Nevertheless, I can explain about the technique/intention they use with So-Hang jap, but firstly could you explain what "Jagayasus"  means?  (I'm not sure if I understood it correctly)

The word generally refers to seeker, one who is walking on the path to merge.  One who hasn't become jeevan mukth(not just from chaurasi)/self realized/brhamgyani, whichever word you want to use yet etc.

1 hour ago, Xylitol said:

Does anybody know of any sants who go to this area? I don't. 

 

Generally when you regularly go to the larger Sikh temples once in a while a sant will come to visit. You can then ask them for help. If I were in your shoes I wouldn't worry and just keep doing bhagti in the meantime. 

Personally don't know of any puran mahatmas however area does have quite a few abhiyaases.  I believe Simar Singh from mysimran is from the area.

4 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

What is the sooooo sooooo sound. I've lost you guys on that one. Are you referring to the sound of air as your exhale and say guroooooooo?

I was referring to the base sound current heard early on. I think Lucky ji was referring to the same ....hopefully.  

Sooo sooo would just be a punjabi way of saying it ..... imagining a grandma trying to explain it to doctor in punjabi...( sooo-onh-sooonh) sorry off topic 

25 minutes ago, Lucky said:

 

 

Bottom line, Do the saas saas as described above because I know it works. In addition, you are still safe to do the listening to silence or sooo soooo as wel, but please have the foundations. 

 

Waheguru

Great discussion last few days bro.  Quick question here, you would ignore the sooo soooo( love the description) while doing saas saas correct?

When does it become beneficial to listen to the sooo sooo in your opinion? as it does get really loud when you let it.

The English translations are very off.  Many people get confused with the worlds defined as planets.  When in reality Guru Maharaj ji is describing the spirtual planes(realms), the higher ones and lower ones, 14, .  Also all together they are sometimes mentioned as 3 lokas.  Any advanced seeker can tell you more about them. @Lucky  Has previously posted stuff about them before as well I believe.  

As for planets, in the scientific sense, Guru maharaj ji says anek, kot , or countless.  

Simple question , I have some confusion, as I always associated it with Gurmantra and gurbani. However was contemplating sukhmani sahib," Naam kay dhaaray ...." all the brahmands, planets, universere etc.  So what is the naam we are asking for from Guru Maharaj ji.  Would appreciate some meditators from the forum possibly helping me out.  Thanks ji

 @Lucky @Sat1176 @BhagatSingh

4 hours ago, Lucky said:

He doesn't say anything wrong in the video but the technique he mentions of excessive & forced navel breathing is NOT simran and not what I would recommend to anyone either.   He is correct that this can lead to a "Forced" kundalini awakening, ..but all Yoga's advise against this in general and warn students about not attempting forced kundalini awakenings.    However, the video can be misinterpreted, because he has used the term yojis, very loosely. It gives the impression that all yogi methods are forced and not gurmat. Whereas, this is clearly not the case.

He says that people doing "waheguru waheguru" and no gurbani veechar or paaths is a false technique-> True to an extent, ..but you have to do simran to start going within,..and when you are more inwards, you will interpret gurbani at much deeper levels.  A true abyassee can usually tell if another Sikh has been practicing abyaas in gurmat, if the other's gurbani veechar and interpretation is deep enough and more profound. .Especially with bhagat bani like Kabeer ji and Naamdev..

 

 

Thanks bro, had me confused.  His video seems to imply he seems to think all kundalini awakenings are forced where thats obviously not the case.  

I recently came across this clip.  Benti to ignore the policical motivations from both sides, as I'm just confused about his description of what kundalini does, and how he describes it as going away after few months.  Can any advanced meditator please explain better about what Ranjit Singh is referring to?  And is what he saying correct in terms of how it works?

VID-20170326-WA0003.mp4

My apologies if there is a thread on this on the forum, can't search as visiting India/slow net.

Recently started practicing present moment awareness as much as I can. Lately it seems my surat just seems to settle in the forehead.  As in a bubble, no real pressure.  I just let it be, but have a doubt if I should or shouldnt let it settle in one spot.  Would anyone please possibly enlighten me on this and anything else a practitioner should be aware of?

Eat less, eat simple Sato gun foods. Over time, as meditation gets deeper, amount of sleep will decrease on its own.  

I'd say 6-7 hours normally, and over time it can be reduced to 2-4 hours.  Sometimes less , depending on the person.

On Friday, May 01, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Ragmaala said:

Here is the sakhi:

Baba Ishar Singh Ji & Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji.pdf

Waheguru, can you possibly repost this? It's not working :/