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Dasam dwaar - nij pad, thhir ghar is no physical gate in human body.... It's a stage in our spiritual journey wen we learn to sit in pure being. as it's very well said by sunnysingh veerji
6 ghar 6 gur 6 updes Gur gur eko ves anek. Baba jai Ghar karte keerat hoye so ghar raakh vadai toye. So, wen asked from Guru Nanak Dev ji- he answered that one should keep his awareness on tenth gate of his body, where there is always a bliss or the praise of Lord going on... (Anhad shabad) - over and above the land of thoughts. - that is thhir Ghar or tenth gate.... Just like there's one sun still many seasons similarly there's One God yet many paths ( karte k kete ves) 
The paths may be different however the destination is the ultimate truth- the One and only. For sikhs the path is sehaj - naam japna with loads of love for the Guru sahib- to the extent that the Lord is pleased- just like a husband is pleased with his loving n caring wife-.. 

Here is a very good mention of Sant Baba Kartar Singh Ji Bhindrawale's bhagati when they were a young student at college by Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindrawale.
Sant ji mentions how Sant Kartar Singh Ji could do Sukhmani Sahib in 17 mins full paath and 25 Japji Sahib paaths everyday
 
 

Forget about what I think or what I say. I have no authority or say. I don't have to prove anything to anyone, for I am nothing. Let's go back to basics. I will just place the views of taksal from Bhai Mani Singh Ji, Amir Bhandar Tika. Sangat can read it, and make their own decision. So if someone comes on this forum, they have the resource available to decide for themselves. And if someone can be kind enough to translate into English for non-gurmukhi readers or speakers.
Reference: Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Bhagat Kabir Ji, Ang 1377, Amir Bhandar Tika Page 327


 


 
These are not my views, but the view of Great Scholar and Brahmgyani Sant Amir Singh Ji and Giani Kirpal Singh Ji, from the Bhai Mani Singh Ji Samparda. I will translate few points in quotes, correct the translation if its wrong.
"In the Gurbani above, Bhang is Sukha, meat of fish, chicken, dried tobacco leaves used by Maharashtrians, and also refers to Maya that creates obstacles in Bhagti... those who use these, all their sadhanas are worthless...
After the war of Emnabaad , Babar presented/offered 7 fists of  Bhang to Guru Nanak Dev ji. Guru Nanak Dev Ji replied we dont need this bhang, we are already drinking the internal bhang, the love of Parmatma, the Naam Khumari.    Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ang 721 ..
ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੨    ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ਭਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਭਾਂਗ ਖਲੜੀ ਮੇਰਾ ਚੀਤੁ ॥ ਮੈ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਭਇਆ ਅਤੀਤੁ ॥ ਕਰ ਕਾਸਾ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਖ ॥ ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਉ ਨੀਤਾ ਨੀਤ ॥੧॥ ਤਉ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਕਰਉ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਤੁ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਕੇਸਰਿ ਕੁਸਮ ਮਿਰਗਮੈ ਹਰਣਾ ਸਰਬ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹਣਾ ॥ ਚੰਦਨ ਭਗਤਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਇਨੇਹੀ ਸਰਬੇ ਪਰਮਲੁ ਕਰਣਾ ॥੨॥ ਘਿਅ ਪਟ ਭਾਂਡਾ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਐਸਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਵਰਨ ਮਹਿ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਨਿਵੇ ਰਹੇ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨ ਦਰਿ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੩॥੧॥੨॥
 
Some Manmukhs to hide their own shortcomings , use the following pankti  

to say that Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji have asked bowl of bhang from Parmatma. Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji have not taken anything with partakh nasha. In Hikayatan, Guru Gobind Singh ji have talked about 'Sabaz Rang Prem'...
Some people say that Guru Sahib used Bhang and Afeem. This is impossible and against Gurmat. Guru ji instructed Khalsa regarding alcohol and bhang:

Regarding Hazur Sahib Sukhnidhan Maryada, it was started by a pujari who came from Vrindavan, he would drink bhang himself and started doing bhog of Sukhnidhan, and that's how the maryada got established. 
Regarding Afeem, Giani Gian Singh used to take afim, and he wrote that Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj used to take afim. "
After reading the above, Sangat can make their own decision and choose for themselves. Its very clear. The above are views of great taksal of Bhai Mani Singh Ji Shaheed. These are not mine. Now Gurjantgnostic will say that Bhai Mani Singh Ji were also brain-washed by gore, imperial, white etc etc. what a joke
Summary:
Our Current Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji/ Bhagat Kabir Ji talks against Bhang, although Bhang can also mean other things as mentioned above.  Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji refused bhang when offered by Babar In Emnabad Guru Gobind Singh Ji instructed his Khalsa  you can translate it as you wish Sukhnidhan Maryada at Hazur Sahib was started by a Pujari who came from Vrindavan, and was fond of drinking bhang himself, and started doing bhog of it. And it got normalized afterwards. Giani Gian Singh was a opium userm and he portrayed Guru Sahib as such. @dalsingh101 if I made any mistakes in translating the original text, please feel free to correct it. 
 
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!
 
 
 
 

The Five prohibited acts, according to Bhai Daya Singh Rehatnama are as follows:
Stealing Adultery Slander Gambling Consumption of Alcohol  
Bhul chuk maaf

My Experiences as a kid , seeing people abusing it, villagers, fake nihangs doing beadbi of bana, people abusing it on shivratri melas, eating bhang pkaode, developing diarrhea and headaches etc. 
 
Understanding of Gurmat being against any Nasha, ranging from sukha, alcohol, afem, certain diets, wealth and power.
reading jivans of great mahapurush from various sampardas such as Nanaksar, Taksal, Rara Sahib, Bidhi Chand, etc and them not promoting any use of Sukha.
And the jivan of most recent Shaheed Sant Jarnail Singh Ji , how he lived his life and his views on these topics.
All the above form my ideas, and  understanding.
The whites or imperial culture has no effect on me. I dont know what’s reefer madness. 
 
I am  not fan of modern pharmaceuticals  or anti depressants. They are temporary fix only. And I am aware of all their side effects and their vicious cycle.
 
 

I have seen People in Nihang Bana , getting high, swearing and abusing, lying around all day, doing beadbi of bana etc
As a kid I have seen weed growing around in pind, villagers getting high on it , staying in poor conditions, not doing anything with their lives etc
I have not seen anyone using sukha as a medicine so far, only a means of getting high and getting Nasha.
And Gurmat is very straightforward on Nasha. It could be a Nasha of sukha, afeem, modern pharmaceutical, food, wealth or power. 
All Nasha is Anti Gurmat.

This does not make sense and it utterly ridiculous imo. Alcohol, even one small drink, increases the GABA , inhibitory neurotransmitter in brain which causes delayed reflexes, motor in coordination, affects your cerebellum which causes imbalance. 
 
As Dal pointed out there are so many inconsistencies. It will only create confusion. Keep it simple. Derive inspiration from your recent Shaheeds like Sant Jarnail Singh Ji. He did not do jhatka to attain bir rass, he did not use afeem or sukha, nor did he drink alcohol before going into battle. He had the power of Naam and Japji Sahib.
Being a Shaheed is not easy. Even if you die in dharam yudh but in your last thoughts your mind is not engrossed in Naam, you will not attain full shaheedi. I will give an example. When Panja Sahib Saka happened, devotees came to Baba Nand Singh and told about the saka how many sikhs got shaheed. Baba Nand Singh ji took a sigh and said in their last moments of death they had feelings of regret, why did they have to die like this, hence their shaheedi was not parvan. Only a Antaryami Brahmgiani can know about the real truth. 
 
imo only the cowards would use alcohol. The real shaheeds like Guru Arjan Dev Ji, Guru Teg Bahadur Ji, Bhai Matidas, Bhai Sati das, Bhai Dyala ji and countless other Singhs are not scared of death. They find it as an opportunity to wed with God. So alcohol to calm your senses or fear before battle does not make sense.
 

What is the practical implications of Sukha/Bhang/Marijuana/Afeem particularly for Sikhs/Singhs in today’s time? I can barely find any.
 I can understand that there is maryada of 5 leaves of Marijuana in huge bowl rose/almond/ shardai nutritious drink. But besides that I don’t see much use beyond that. 
 
Talking about medicine, we already have high quality morphine, opiods, ketamine etc for people with surgeries post-operatively, palliative care for cancer patients, and pain killers if there is a war/battle.
If a Singh/Sikh is pakka nitnemi, naam abhiyaasi, and follows rehit, he doesn’t need anti depressants in form of cannabis.
If Afeem and Bhang is promoted in todays time, even though they were used in medicine form in past which is absolutely fair, it will invariably lead to recreation and abuse, and normalize its use in our minds. Our mind is very clever and cunning, it was used by singhs in past, why can’t I use it ? Start from small quantity and leading to abuse.
One needs to have a very disciplined, and focused mind to exercise caution. Even the modern medicinal forms are heavily abused. Remember people started abusing iodex and cough syrups. 

Baba Nand Singh Ji would tell his sevaks to do Satnam Ji da awaza to bring him back from Samadhi. He would mention that Satnam strikes like a lightning thunder and powerful enough to bring him on earthly realm. 
 

Hanji @Soulfinder Satnam is one of the powerful mantra.. It's a Guru Mantra for Kabir panthis. Kabir ji used to japp Satnam. As per Nanaksar maryaada they call satnamji before entering anyone's room. - be it Guru Sahib ji's room when they bring Parshaada etc
It's an important part of our Mool Mantra as well. His Name is pious and powerful in any form, panth or language. 
 

Exactly veerji. thats a perfect example of backfiring when those that are incompetent attempt to meddle with the spirit world. The hunter ends up becoming the hunted, or should i say haunted.
When tribal land of indigenous people here was acquired by force by the government and greedy developers, they also encroached and cleared up their burial grounds. Till today the massive development on that land is still being haunted. Their shamans made it a point to add petrol on fire by releasing more wild spirits in that area. The resort developers are still flying in taoist monks and thai shamans to pacify that place so business can go on.

Exactly veerji. thats a perfect example of backfiring when those that are incompetent attempt to meddle with the spirit world. The hunter ends up becoming the hunted, or should i say haunted.
When tribal land of indigenous people here was acquired by force by the government and greedy developers, they also encroached and cleared up their burial grounds. Till today the massive development on that land is still being haunted. Their shamans made it a point to add petrol on fire by releasing more wild spirits in that area. The resort developers are still flying in taoist monks and thai shamans to pacify that place so business can go on.

Exactly veerji. thats a perfect example of backfiring when those that are incompetent attempt to meddle with the spirit world. The hunter ends up becoming the hunted, or should i say haunted.
When tribal land of indigenous people here was acquired by force by the government and greedy developers, they also encroached and cleared up their burial grounds. Till today the massive development on that land is still being haunted. Their shamans made it a point to add petrol on fire by releasing more wild spirits in that area. The resort developers are still flying in taoist monks and thai shamans to pacify that place so business can go on.

Satnaam Mantar is also mentioned in Bhai Daya Singh Rehatnama.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Love this topic,lets hear more experiences.
In my opinion,rather than hunting ghosts unsuccessfully it's better to invoke them if you have the knowhow and protection,even then usually those with an active third eye are able to see and communicate. 
Chance encounters are the fun ones,not much damage done,just get spooked,spirit just miserable or wants to play tricks depending on type.many were never human.
spirits/jins sent by a shaman at the bidding of someone are the deadly ones. Here, the real deal shamans don't keep low grade spirits to do their dirty jobs but old powerful damned creatures who have decades or centuries of experience passed down from  master to student. these are the ones to stay very far from. But can't do that as you dont know when you could get hit because of somebody you offended.
If you do get attacked this way usually manifests as sickness/accidents or you start seeing them,cant sleep,going mad etc. Then you're left with few choices,either go through it with faith in the Waheguru and accept it as his hukam or you find another shaman to heal you. Either the shaman has something much stronger that hes able to bash that creature and the aggressor shaman away(aggressor shaman ends up very sick or dead in this scenario) or the most common ending is a deal is made between the 2 shamans spiritually,that the target has suffered enough etc,let him go, we'll call it even. Being a middle man good samaritan trying to help out the victim in this case is equally dangerous, as you end up being targeted for interfering even if you were only there to provide transportation and emotional support. 
 
 

Bhoot prett are not a joke as i have read online about how people have started to use a ouija board and next thing you know the prett spirit has been distrubed and all hell has become loose.

Love this topic,lets hear more experiences.
In my opinion,rather than hunting ghosts unsuccessfully it's better to invoke them if you have the knowhow and protection,even then usually those with an active third eye are able to see and communicate. 
Chance encounters are the fun ones,not much damage done,just get spooked,spirit just miserable or wants to play tricks depending on type.many were never human.
spirits/jins sent by a shaman at the bidding of someone are the deadly ones. Here, the real deal shamans don't keep low grade spirits to do their dirty jobs but old powerful damned creatures who have decades or centuries of experience passed down from  master to student. these are the ones to stay very far from. But can't do that as you dont know when you could get hit because of somebody you offended.
If you do get attacked this way usually manifests as sickness/accidents or you start seeing them,cant sleep,going mad etc. Then you're left with few choices,either go through it with faith in the Waheguru and accept it as his hukam or you find another shaman to heal you. Either the shaman has something much stronger that hes able to bash that creature and the aggressor shaman away(aggressor shaman ends up very sick or dead in this scenario) or the most common ending is a deal is made between the 2 shamans spiritually,that the target has suffered enough etc,let him go, we'll call it even. Being a middle man good samaritan trying to help out the victim in this case is equally dangerous, as you end up being targeted for interfering even if you were only there to provide transportation and emotional support. 
 
 

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As Giani Thakur Singh Ji was doing katha of Japji Sahib..he was explaining jodh mahabal soor
Yodha = one who commits sin through mind but does not act through body , so I guess even if you happen to have a bad furna but control your body you are still a yodha, thats a great motivation still

Mahabali = doesnt commit paap both through mind and body

Soorma = if i rem correctly, one has won over 5 vikaars.

Love this topic,lets hear more experiences.
In my opinion,rather than hunting ghosts unsuccessfully it's better to invoke them if you have the knowhow and protection,even then usually those with an active third eye are able to see and communicate. 
Chance encounters are the fun ones,not much damage done,just get spooked,spirit just miserable or wants to play tricks depending on type.many were never human.
spirits/jins sent by a shaman at the bidding of someone are the deadly ones. Here, the real deal shamans don't keep low grade spirits to do their dirty jobs but old powerful damned creatures who have decades or centuries of experience passed down from  master to student. these are the ones to stay very far from. But can't do that as you dont know when you could get hit because of somebody you offended.
If you do get attacked this way usually manifests as sickness/accidents or you start seeing them,cant sleep,going mad etc. Then you're left with few choices,either go through it with faith in the Waheguru and accept it as his hukam or you find another shaman to heal you. Either the shaman has something much stronger that hes able to bash that creature and the aggressor shaman away(aggressor shaman ends up very sick or dead in this scenario) or the most common ending is a deal is made between the 2 shamans spiritually,that the target has suffered enough etc,let him go, we'll call it even. Being a middle man good samaritan trying to help out the victim in this case is equally dangerous, as you end up being targeted for interfering even if you were only there to provide transportation and emotional support. 
 
 

Once Prophet Muhammad and Jesus Christ visited Baba Harnaam Singh Ji Rampur Khera waale.
Devi devte do exist because in bani,Guru sahib says that these Devi devte praise Vaheguru at his feet. In Sri Chandi di Vaar, guru sahib says Akaal Purakh CREATED demons to keep the Devi devte's ego and pride in check.
They all came on earth to spread Dharma but eventually fell into the trap of 5 vices.
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