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See what have i found for u. This is page one of ringing sound here
..i won't say these things itself are trap itself as its simply reference points beauty of divine on the way...one should be cautious of their perception surronding them as attachement towards them can turn them into road block or hindrance...final destination goal in gurmat is beyond dasam dwara 3rd eye opening, anhad shabad ultimate goal of gurmat is get rid of five vices/pan chors, super imposed latent tendencies and egoic mind-thought/ego perception and realize our real self /shabad gyan that we have forgotten in avidya/ignorance as gurbani gives updesh-
In all honesty, I personally feel it has had the opposite effect to a road block !
It has made me realise that i have a very long way to still go and there is so much more. As an idea, I feel it is ONLY a fraction (1/10th) of the complete journey to sachkhand.
The only thing that can worry me at times is that I may feel that everyone thinks I'm becoming introverted and detached. But I am far from that because I feel much more in touch and attached with REALITY.
Edited January 30, 2014 by LuckyI can totally relate to what you are saying. I actually feel internal detachment occurring that I have to force myself to remain grounded so to speak.
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Though I am very small in here however as far as I understand though we come in 'awe' or vismaad and look for some kind of confirmation in case we reach a stage in spirituality yet somewhere inside we know it's there. U know it's like a wife knows when it's her husband coming close or some other ' paraaya ", so @tva prasad veerji u must be having some feelings to assure urself. I can provide you the number of Simranjeet Singh ji or Dharamjeet Singh ji who may confirm ur avastha.
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On 8/20/2018 at 2:26 AM, samurai2 said:
Also the please, sorry, thank you word that i need to get moderators approval .
bole so ne haal to all my sikhs...
I know this is an year old post m reading but I feel like slapping u on d face for insulting an answer worth more than millions by lucky veerji here. Honestly m ashamed of people who do not contribute anything themselves but simply blabber crap against those who try to help other members of the sangat to understand d message of Guru and discourage them... Shame Mr. @samurai2 if u call urself that. - though I don't find u penny worthy
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7 hours ago, Soulfinder said:
Thanks bhen ji its really nice the message you wrote and its amazing how listening to Sukhmani Sahib in Kirtan roop helped with the health problems you was having. It shows how the power of Gurbani is nothing compared to human science.
Today bhen ji i went to the doctor and he has given me a double dose to take for my current headache migraine problems.
Also on the way back i got Chandi Chirtar 1 printed in size 18 font in Roman English that i had spent a while collecting the lines on MS Word along with many other Banis i have got printed as the font size was small and i found it hard to read. So i got them resized for my myself as i avoid using the phone tablet screen due to my migraines headaces but i did use it in the starting stages back around almost 5 years ago.
With Waheguru's kirpa it will take me at least 5/6 days to do the paath using a 78 mins audio track as it took about 4 days for Chandi Chirtar 2 using a 66 mins at the time. But nowdays i can do Chandi Chirtar 2 in 2/3 days using a 43,40 or 35 mins track.
About the jaw muscles bhen ji you are right as i have had jaw pain due to teeth grinding at night is something i need to get sorted as well.
Ji, take care of urself.
Waheguru ji
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3 hours ago, Soulfinder said:
Bhen ji thats a really nice post you have written and its the best thing i have today as i had to miss my nitnem today and yesterday due to my migraine headace.
Hows things been on your side bhen ji ?
Hi.. Every thing is good rather better than before. M blessed☺
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Believe that Gurbani takes care of all the worries and u shud not feel pain when u sit in his company.. I would tell u from a personal experience. I had this problem of body ache and I hired a maid for massage. Initially she used to keep on talking (crap) all the time and believe me even long after she was gone her stories used to keep on lingering in my head.... Then I started to switch on kirtan roopi Sukhmani Sahib path few mins before her time, I concentrated on path while she did her work peacefully. After a month I bid bye to her as bani had its effect and I no more required her svcs BUT not only on me -Bani had effect on her too.. She asked me how could she keep on listening to this 'music' as it brought peace to her mind. She said first 2-3 days it bothered her alot but slowly as she listened.. now it feels beautiful and brings peace✌. She was more quiet n mature
Just few inputs about Migraine if u think may go for... Migraine can not be cured by allopathy. Go for Ayurvedic treatments like tarpan and panch karma etc. And keep ur jaw muscles relaxed.. Yes jaw muscles. And most important read the bhakti section in here more n try to meditate. Sitting in sunn relaxes all the muscles and nerves.
Wahegurujis blessings are of course most important.
Waheguru ji!
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In my quest towards Amrit.. I came across two extremes.. Pls pour in your
( source Gurmat Rehat Maryaada - Damdami Taksaal front pg uploaded)
Vs
 ( source http://www.sikhnet.com/news/i-miss-good-ol-days-1)
I remember my own ‘amrit sanchar’ very well. Bapu Ji took me to see Baba Sohan Singh Ji to discuss amrit as I had felt I was not ready for it. I was 15 and a favourite of Baba Ji as I did kirtan and accompanied Baba Ji and Bapu Ji on numerous occasions.
The conversation went something like this.
Baba Ji: Beta, your Bapu Ji tells me that you feel you are not ready for ‘amrit’
Me: Baba Ji, I will not be able to handle all the expectations of ‘amrit’ just yet.
Baba Ji: Chal beta. Let us go through all your apprehensions.
Me: I will not be able to do all the Nitnem banis expected of me.
Baba Ji: Can you do JapJi in the morning, Rehras at dusk and Sohila at night?
Me: I already do those.
Baba Ji: Well, we have no problem. As time goes by add Jaap Sahib and Sawayiyay as Nitnem. Occasionally do the full Anand Sahib. In fact you will find that doing Sukhmani Sahib occasionally is also very uplifting. It will help you in your studies and even in your sports! Can we agree on that?
Me: yes, Baba Ji.
Baba Ji: You know what is expected of you and let me assure you that you will get supreme bliss and a sense of well-being every time you do all the banis! Next?
Me: Baba Ji, 5 kekar. I cannot keep all 5 kekar on my person all the time. I love my sports and cannot be lugging around a kirpan, a kachhera and even a kanga in my hair. In fact when I play hockey, I am even expected to take my kara off as it can hurt an opponent.
Baba Ji: Beta, I have one important question for you. Do you have intentions of cutting your hair into the future?
Me: (I was shocked at even being asked that). No Baba Ji, I shall always keep my hair. I am proud to be a Sikh!
Baba Ji: (Smiling, seeing the look of shock on my face.) Then Beta, we have no problems. The other kekars are man-made. They can come off and on as required. They are loving gifts from you bapu – Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Treasure them. Keep them. In fact learn how to wield a kirpan for defence and learn self-defence. Treasure your kachhera – do not go chasing after loose women or any woman for that matter. Wear the kara as your ornament from Guru Ji. Does that answer your question?
Me: Yes Baba Ji! But Baba Ji, I play team sports where I am expected to share drinks with other players. What about ‘jooth’?
Baba Ji: Not a problem. Let me explain something about amrit, beta. Amrit once taken is not easily broken. Once your pita, dhan dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj takes you by the arm, he does not easily give you up! Amrit only breaks if you commit a heinous sin including cutting your hair, engaging in extra-marital sex, eating halaal meat or consuming tobacco – the four ‘bejer-kurahits’. You will come up short many times as you are a human being. But all you have to do is realise your shortcoming, pick yourself up, ask for forgiveness from your father and move on in life. THAT IS AMRIT. Amrit is to give you a sense of belonging – belonging to the family of Guru Gobind Singh. If you want to be part of that family, then take amrit. It is as simple as that.
I saw no possible reason not to partake of amrit. It was more about partaking of it and working with it rather than working at it first and then partaking of it when one felt ready. Let me assure you, I believe 95 percent of youngsters or just Sikhs who would otherwise take amrit will never ever feel ‘ready’ to partake of it. IF I HAD BEEN GIVEN A CHOICE BY SANT BABA SOHAN SINGH JI, I THINK I WOULD NEVER HAVE GOT AROUND TO PARTAKING OF AMRIT. He made the partaking of amrit feel like a rite of passage into adulthood rather than an option of getting into a rigid code of conduct for the rest of my life. Yes, I have fallen short many times but I have never felt that it has ever been broken. I belong to the family of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.
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20 hours ago, Sat1176 said:
Thank you for this one. It is more clear than any of the previous ones for a ' niyaana' like me. Thanks. now i may find my steps 
further.
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That would be
great.
Thank you
for posting this. It's an amazing piece of literature, which we may have not access to otherwise. I loved the way the sifat/ upma of Guru Sahib and his shastr s is done here.
No wonder Ani Rai ji was welcomed and regarded/ rewarded by Guru Sahibaans.
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The
most surprising part for me was that even after being a 5 time 'namazi' and being such learned( as he sounds) of Quran Sharif, he wasn't even heard once because
'"Ek baar jin tumhe sambhaara
Kaal phaas te taahi ubaara"
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After seeing this one, I kept thinking how strong these moh k dhaage are and we ve kept lingering to it since so many janams
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On 6/29/2019 at 12:42 AM, Guest Super-Snorer said:
I don't only sleep but also snore like no one's business and wake everyone up. I wonder if this is normal at all.
Well veerji snoring means blocked channels. This may reflect bad health, pls read about saas saas simran- Pranayam on this forum and get to work ASAP.
P.s. My husband used to snore too and never indulge in healthy lifestyle even after constant nagging from me
but since we have come back from Hemkund Sahib ( it's been 5-6 weeks)) he hasn't snored 
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Yeah he says it in every possible way n we Still don't
hear.
Every thing around us is in cycle. Round. I have heard in a katha of Pinderpal ji that a wheel keeps on repeating its rounds again and again and thus covers long distances. Repetition of Gurumantra can thus take us to heights of spirituality.
In childhood mom used to instruct the same things again n again. .. So if only one of those several panktis finds root in our hearts❤
. We will be blessed. (Kinka aek jis jee basaave)
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5 hours ago, Jageera said:
I guess it could probably be his intention to point out the lack of Sikhi knowledge by many Sikhs today hence he omitted the ones that answered correctly. Just my 0.2.
Yeah thas wat... Otherwise it can't be this bad.
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Probably they have Intentionally not included those who have answered correctly... how's this possible that NOT ONE person knows about the real history?
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On 5/30/2019 at 4:16 PM, Gurpreet Singh Deol said:
Could you please share the link for rom rom simran? I tried to look but found many links and not sure which one to concentrate on? Thanks
O... Sorry for the late reply
Yes these are good links above. Still try and read the 18, 19 page of this thread only @Luckyveerji has described the things so well
Let me paste it for us here
. It's too good and has helped me alot
I was just going to explain my interpretation of Rom Rom simran.
It's mentioned quite often in the order of saas graas, saas saas and then rom rom, but very rarely does any mahapursh give any details about it.
I get that impression because it is a very practical technique that involves sukham sareer compared to physical, and I assume that most teachers/mahapursh/sant show and demonstrate to an abyhasee only after he is adept in saas graas and saas saas.
It almost seems as it is kept hush hush and some sant/mahapursh don't reveal to student until x-amount of years have been spent doing the other vidhis/jugtees.
I found that I could get a little information from one place and another little idea from another,,,,, so basically, my interpretation is from gathering the little bits and putting them together from varying sources.
I must stress that as far as I understand it, one should be doing this only when they know how to maintain or get very close to a steadiness and when they are able to get breath balanced (ie,, via sukhmana channel)
Primarily,one has to do more abyhaas to get the nadhis cleansed and stimulated, and when this happens- the sukham sareer properties start coming into play.
I won't go into the vidhies of breath balancing or dhyian control for now,but will give you my understanding and how I've been doing the rom rom simran.
ROM ROM SIMRAN
This is pasanti bhani jap- which is mental,silent and completely from the sukham Mind.
and it is antar ghat (completely internal)
We are using sukham ears and sukhammouth to jap. (ie,,,sukham gyan and karam indries)
It is ALL sukham compared to the Physical breathing manoeuvres/inhalations/tongue use....etc.. in Saas graas & Saas saas
However, there is the beginning aspect of trying to feel the pulse or heartbeat, that is classed as physical. But once you master this, then it all becomes sukham.
A little point I would like to make is about some confusion for matching breathing with heartbeat - which can no doubt lead to hyperventilation!
I really don't think that you should match your breath to heartbeat- since this is ALL sukham. If we start matching physical breath then we are going towards sargun/physical behaviour again.
The way I see it is-
With simran we progress through the jugtees and techniques by gradually making our surti, dhyian and actions, to move from Sargun to Nirgun. So, if our surti can come out and away from the sargun body, then we move away from the grasps of kaal and his maya dominance. Therefore, we need to make surti/dhyian move from Sargun to Nirgun.
(remember- before creation there was just the nirgun shabad and all sargun manifested later. It makes sense to go back home in that reverse order!)
As for the rapid breathing technique that can lead to hyperventilation and hypoxia, I am aware that some keertan sangats practice this, but this is not to be confused with heartbeat & rom rom jugtee, or any other jugtee for that matter.
Hypoxia or oxygen deprivation from rapid hyperventilation can give someone a good feeling of being lightheaded. I have heard how some of these kirtan sangats(akj) claim to have feelings of divine anand from their fast paced kirtan samagams, but this is nothing much different than the 2 minute high that party students get with nitric 'poppers', because of same oxygen starvation effects.
Technique/method
1) 1st quieten and get that steady state where breath is balanced.
2) Try and feel your heart beat by putting the focus into that area
3) If this is difficult, then it may help if-
-a) you hold your breath for a few seconds and then try to locate/listen.
-b) Or you can instead ,try to feel your pulse on the wrist.
4) Once you find the beat and can follow it's beating rhythm, then putting some more dhyian there should make it more louder and prominent.
5) the anhad naad/dhun should also get more prominent if you have it present.
-I usually find that they both get more enhanced at the same time
6) Now, that the heart beating is clear and can be followed, you incorporate and match the gurmantar along with it to begin rom rom.
-this itself can be done in 2 ways
a) you should be able to identify an ''up'' beat and a ''down'' beat.
...then coincide the Wahe-with-Up, and the Guru-with-Down.
OR..
b) when the beat is too fast to differentiate the up/down, then you can match the whole gurmantar with this faster beat. For eg..you are saying waheguru,waheguru,waheguru, without any pause or breaks in wahe-and-guru.
With practice, you should eventually be able to locate the heartbeat without touching or feeling any pulse.
If you HOLD the breath for a few seconds, then this also make it easier to sense.
NEXT, the goal is to put the focus on navel, because when focusing at navel, one can be steady in the sukhmanna channel and trying to rise upwards.
The sukhmanna channel runs directly from navel area towards the nijh ghar. (in a straight line along the path of chakras)
Before we are born and in the womb, this connection is fully active and intune with waheguru. When the umbilical cord is cut and the first birth breath is taken, that's when the veil layers of maya world start their course. You could also say that the knot to maya is tied after cord is cut/breath is taken in atmosphere.
ਮਨ ਰੇ ਪਵਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ ਸੁਖਮਨ ਨਾਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Man re pavan ḏariṛ sukẖman nārī. ||1|| rahā▫o.
O mind, hold your breath steady within the central channel of the Sushmanaa. ||1||Pause||It's important to get the steady breath balance before you start rom rom.
This steadiness and control comes when there are no thoughts.
If any thoughts arise, then the breath balancing goes into either side of Ida or Pingala.
That’s why it is called the turbulent ocean (bhavsagar) because we rock from side to side (left to right), or from ida to pingala whilst trying to travel up the nadis and trying to maintain the steadiness in sukhmana throughout.
This 2nd stage of rom rom is to focus around navel area and feel the pulse there which is much more sukham.
The focus, I believe is not directly at the belly button, but you feel the pulse and rom rom vibration just below it and deeper inside.
It is the area called the DHARAN.- which is about 1 inch below and 1 inch inwards.
I often find it a little easier to locate this subtle area compared to the heartbeat sometimes. With practice it should become easier and almost instant.
The vibrations that I feel there can be Inand Out and so I use the mental Wahe-inand Guru-out,
OR sometimes they may be going slightlyup/down at an angle rather than in/out, but I still use the same method and have noticed that the rate of rom rom vibration is practically the same.
All the jap is done in complete sukham from the mind, and it can help if you do the internal, mental chant with the inner voice being raised with some power behind it. (as if your enforcing your internal chant)
The last check I usually make is to be sure that I am breathing slowly and normally, and not accidentally incorporating the breath into the jap rhythm-which can be very easily done (and then you can end up with the hyperventilating issue explained above). Again, with practice, this will become instant and second nature.
This practice takes you on a whole new quest with both mystical and spiritual experiences, that are individual and personally tailored to each of us. You will know that they can't be discussed openly.
I can seriously understand why it is of great importance to have the right sangat and experienced gurmukh/mahapursh/sant guidance/advisor to assist you along the encounters at this stage. This is probably the reason to why it has the "hush hush'' factor and doesn't get mentioned too often.
Sadly, I'm not in the company of any mahapursh and at certain times I have felt the desperate need to get questions answered.
So far, I seemed to have managed using gurbani, certain info sources, practice and of course, Waheguru's blessings.
Using the above practice method should eventually make Rom Rom fully manifest/pargat. There are a few nishanees that can help determine if it's pargat in full or not, but I won't go into those here.
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On 5/20/2019 at 7:58 PM, Gurpreet Singh Deol said:
Thanks @Mooorakh, I think this video really helped. What I understood that the sleep comes because of thoughts, and for stopping thoughts coming you have to stop air for a bit. So when I am doing naam simran, whenever my mind start wondersing, I instead stop the air flow and trying to do naam simran with heart beat which I found that as soon as I stop my air in and out I can hear my heartbeat and then I start concentrating on naam simran with heart beat. I found after that my thoughts are getting controlled. So it has helped I think I tried twice this and I didn't sleep and was able to do naam simran for 3 hrs and other day for 2 hrs.Cooool... Wow. All the best. Pls do read about rom rom simran from this site... And keep growing.
But remember this always..
ਕਰਮੀ ਸਹਜੁ ਨ ਊਪਜੈ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਹਜੈ ਸਹਸਾ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਨਹ ਜਾਇ ਸਹਸਾ ਕਿਤੈ ਸੰਜਮਿ ਰਹੇ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਏ ॥ ਸਹਸੈ ਜੀਉ ਮਲੀਣੁ ਹੈ ਕਿਤੁ ਸੰਜਮਿ ਧੋਤਾ ਜਾਏ ॥ ਮੰਨੁ ਧੋਵਹੁ ਸਬਦਿ ਲਾਗਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਰਹਹੁ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਸਹਜੁ ਉਪਜੈ ਇਹੁ ਸਹਸਾ ਇਵ ਜਾਇ ॥੧੮॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 919}
It's all about 'Gurprasadi'. Don't let ur ego come in between. It's him doing 'his' Jaap
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17 hours ago, IJJSingh said:
It would be wonderful, if both you and your husband took amrit together. However, according to Sikh Rehat Maryada (SRM) it is not forbidden for one spouse to take amrit alone. There are some sampardas who would refuse amrit to just one spouse, some others would insist that after taking amrit you lead a celibate life until the second spouse takes amrit. So I suggest that you look into the maryada of the group who is doing amrit sanchar in your area, and find the group which follows SRM.
There is an interesting episode in biography of Sant Attar Singh ji Mastuane. Sant ji did not place any restrictions if only one spouse wanted to take amrit. Once the guruduara manager, where amrit sanchar was being held, tried to stop sant ji from administering amrit to a single spouse. Sant ji said to him, "Amrit is a seed for Naam-Ras (Naam), Prem-Ras (Love) and Bir-Ras (bravery), it has no connection with a body". The manager kept opposing sant ji and arguing that sant ji was going against the maryada. Finally, sant ji said to the manager, "Premiya! OK, I will let you have your way, if you agree to take this sin upon yourself when you face the Guru in his court". The manager backed down. (p319, Biography Sant Attar Singh ji, Vol 1, By Sant Teja Singh).
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
Yes. Thank u. Maskeen ji's audios above confirmed that. I have a long way to go still...
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Well long ago I wrote an article on this. It was published on fb page. I will chk if I could find the link.. Guru Sahib talks.. Yes he does and such is his love. We may not understand it then but time being we realize, how relevant baani was to things .....
Here's d link I hv found...
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So sweet as always... Thanks
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23 hours ago, Gurpreet Singh Deol said:
WJKKWJKF,
I have a question and was wondering if any gursikh could help. I have been doing naam jaap for 3 months now. Sometimes I do good and reach a state where my mind goes numb and I hear Shabad etc but this does not happen all the time.
most of the time while doing naam simran and when I start getting dreams, I still try to do naam jaap but I forget and then in the dream state I fell to sleep, Is there any way, where I could still keep myself in Dyan and do not fell sleep?
Any gursikh who had done naam simran for some time, might understand this state and help me how did they improve themselves.
Please help.
Regards
Gurpreet
WJKKWJKF
SSA Ji
I had same issues.. Still coping.. All d best
Listen to this video. This will help.
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Hanji Thanks. But somehow this time oh ' thand' nahi mili. I mean m not satisfied yet...
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Replying to this topic to bring it to the notice of current sangat, as it's pretty old. Was looking for the terms
1. 'char padarth'
2. 'chaudaan hatnaale'- 14 hattiyaan( shops) as per Gurmat. Please sangat ji, put some inputs on both the topics.
WJKKWJKF
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But after ur Nitnem ofcourse. Rather be sure.if u can handle the powers ... .. Else go for Jaap Sahibs or Chaupai Sahib instead
And no need for apologies, we are all Sangi Sakhi'-s here .. so even more than friends. ...
Cheers to ur curiosity!!
@Soulfinder Veerji. Hanji. I am aware that u do Dasam Banis and love them. I do to and I have put in the caution more than once in the post above, that ridh siddh is NOT sikhi. It brings negative powers.
One thing that i perceive is
I take Bhagauti as the motherly form of Akaal Purakh. As Guru Sahib says " Namo Sri Bhagauti..."
And Pratham Bhagauti than Guru Nanak that is he himself. So how can be my mom dangerous and bring damage to me?? 'Gobind bhaav Bhagat ka bhooka' so feelings,love and kirpa holds higher place than jap, tap sanjam right?
And similarly 'shaheed Singhs are the part of a family. Like our brothers so where's the danger ? I mean that's how it looks to me personally
Am I alright?
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Yes pls don't apologize @Soulfinderveerji.
@tva prasad Veerji. U r most welcome
. Those are two Gurmukhs with avastha, we listen to their kathas.
I m not sure of email, u can try via watsapp though.
This is one of hiz video touching on ur subject
And here's of Dharamjeet singh ji, video has his number there
Interestingly as I was reading today's Darbar Sahib hukamnama it talks about this avastha. It's called ' ateet' that is detachment. Here's d pankti