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thanks done

your participation is enough. i feel like this is a scene out of the Magnificent 7 where I now say ...That's 2

I'm too ignorant to be in a Pyare, and also slaving this year, but I love everything you just said. And you can count on my regular ignorant attendance and participation. 

In short the idea is not necessarily to create a different type of literary movement in terms of something like Modernism, Romanticism etc, but more like a unit of few like minded individuals with broadly the same goals, such as Beat Poets or Bloomsbury group. Only unlike the latter two we don't know each other or are physically too far away from each other to meet up. I would like to propose the Sikhawareness forum as the conduit of communication and organisation,
 
No leader or Pardaan is required. No ਫ਼ਰਕ should take place.  Despite my title of the post it does not mean we exclude people from the subcontinent, or Panjabis who are of different castes ( As Sikhs we fundamentally reject such crap anyhow) or even religions. Again as Sikhs unlike other religions we do not call  ours the true one. We accept all and tell a Hindu for example to be the best Hindu he can etc. Anyhow such like matters are to be discussed and have already been discussed under other relevant topics. So this means the Muslim majority who make up most Panjabis can partake if they wish. Though I personally prefer to promote the Gurmukhi writing system, we cannot be prejudice to other alphabets including Latin / English one.
 
If there is an appetite for this , this thread will soon show that, as it will if there is not.
 
My proposal is simple,
- Promotion of Reading Gurmukhi books and literature, whether religious / philosophical or Poetry  or fiction,
- Promotion of contemporary Panjabi language, in particular the way it has evolved outside Panjab ( India and Pakistan) for example in English Language countries. 
- Pride in our different format of Panjabi, be it due to lexicon, grammar or Style. And to write in its authentic voice primarily for our future generations but also to have some compromise to make it work for Panjabis from Panjab where in reality most readers are from.
- Experimenting in our own way with the language and style ( thus the proposed group title ਬਾਗ਼ੀ ਬੱਤੀ ( see link...You can join this group to discuss the same too... https://www.facebook.com/groups/362576490509036/  ).
- Creating our own literature
 
If people are interested let me know here. As there were only 5 Pyaray, I see no concern in worrying about getting more than that in numbers anyhow.
I long ago labelled my own style as ਵਿਚਿਤਰਵਾਦ as a mash up of typical English literature in areas as diverse as Sci-Fi and Fantasy . Magical realism and new type of sentence structure. Taht can be up for discussion, but no one has to follow that way of doing things
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

sorry about spelling mistake of Panjabi, didn't spot it. No idea how to change it in title
 

So what does this have to do with us?
Well first and foremost the Panjabi language and similiar traits to the culture and character of Sikhs.
Not even 1% of Pakistani perople will even know that the original film in the 70s was based on a Punjabi short story called Gandasa
It then appeared as Wehsii Jatt and then updated itself a the major Pakistani film Maula Jatt in 1980 which in turn was made into the film Putt Jattan De in Indian Punjab as well as some HIndi Bolllywood film.
 
And now the Pakistani Cinema has reclaimed it as the  Legend of Maula jatt.
All I can say is the current Indian Punjabi film industry has been churning out light entertainment that does not do much for Panjabi and that Bolywood filsm are now all crap.
With this in mind and context the new version has decimated Bollywood and makes most current Charda Panjab film slook..well poor. One problem is we only promote singers and not actual actors
( apart from on part where all the actors sing there are no actual songs in the traditional sense in Maula Jatt or aping of Bollywood)
Indian Panjabi cinema needs to learn from this film and forge and ID away from aping Hindi Cinema formula.
We watched it as the only Sikhs in the Cinema where there was a little discomfort ( caused I think by all of our 1947 etc post prejudices and past histories) but there was no clashing and all enjoyed it equally and was proud to see our language up there. I feel sorry for  the 25m Sikhs and Hindu Punajbis that are in India as they are being deprived for some reason by the Indian authorities or something form seeing it,. It just hasn't released there.
So what else can I say?
Fantastic. Film possibly the best Punjabi film ever made certainly superior to all Hindi films since Sholay
ਅਸੀਂ ਹੁਣੀ ਮੌਲਾ ਜੱਟ ਫਿਲਮ ਵੇਖ ਕੇ ਹੱਟੇ। ਸ਼ਾਹਿਦ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਜ਼ਬਰਦਸਤ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਫਿਲਮ ever ਹੈ। ਚੜ੍ਹਦੇ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਾਲੀਆਂ ਫਿਲਮਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਕਾਫ਼ੀ ਬਿਹਤਰ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਬੋਲੀਵੂਡ ਦੀ ਰੀਸ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀ। ਬਕਵਾਸ ਗਾਣੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਨ ਪਰ ਗੋਰਿਆਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਫਿਲਮਾਂ ਵਾਂਙ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਕਹਾਣੀhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=pEWqOAcYgpQ&fbclid=IwAR0oYsE1vuKkTq0dDDdS_G0bZJ3rry2GBXuDwhVC1UCDdPycJS2zUwajyys
Also check the review out of this guy as well
 
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYTaWOqkjhX0%26fbclid%3DIwAR1-8WtY0QZgqUZlH017lFgJ6hzUuyJgG80ZNQtq4_CSYVI3gkmw_Pe6fVw&h=AT0pgTJYrFsNvut5E9BAJ1hEDP2myMw1hTYd8YVqCPh5xZ_DPzzoSGNJqJwpSMSSfsVcO-9MRDraQ3lhSUzWoyW8W7JC3jb64LY92AtO_aoRhvwUWl0AQM5GBISL8AriAdmO&__tn__=%2CmH-R&c[0]=AT0ZUVtzHpnQgVpd50iF2mz1sfJ7tI71mTSE1RAmDF0btRErOpld1Vm2R4BQCMMJLnCXQVEaioBLwcekoBLjWuKJ3mKDBGuR7tXqFWKotyaHNfzOytoRbuIRThF_5dNa7J9oTWSPbxCOTyvXNDx97Q8LT7ZHTWVJIB6HYriME1BzhaZP_dY_35f_yVsTdJk4NPRpPSqbGX9XArrrkPdL-5A
 

So what does this have to do with us?
Well first and foremost the Panjabi language and similiar traits to the culture and character of Sikhs.
Not even 1% of Pakistani perople will even know that the original film in the 70s was based on a Punjabi short story called Gandasa
It then appeared as Wehsii Jatt and then updated itself a the major Pakistani film Maula Jatt in 1980 which in turn was made into the film Putt Jattan De in Indian Punjab as well as some HIndi Bolllywood film.
 
And now the Pakistani Cinema has reclaimed it as the  Legend of Maula jatt.
All I can say is the current Indian Punjabi film industry has been churning out light entertainment that does not do much for Panjabi and that Bolywood filsm are now all crap.
With this in mind and context the new version has decimated Bollywood and makes most current Charda Panjab film slook..well poor. One problem is we only promote singers and not actual actors
( apart from on part where all the actors sing there are no actual songs in the traditional sense in Maula Jatt or aping of Bollywood)
Indian Panjabi cinema needs to learn from this film and forge and ID away from aping Hindi Cinema formula.
We watched it as the only Sikhs in the Cinema where there was a little discomfort ( caused I think by all of our 1947 etc post prejudices and past histories) but there was no clashing and all enjoyed it equally and was proud to see our language up there. I feel sorry for  the 25m Sikhs and Hindu Punajbis that are in India as they are being deprived for some reason by the Indian authorities or something form seeing it,. It just hasn't released there.
So what else can I say?
Fantastic. Film possibly the best Punjabi film ever made certainly superior to all Hindi films since Sholay
ਅਸੀਂ ਹੁਣੀ ਮੌਲਾ ਜੱਟ ਫਿਲਮ ਵੇਖ ਕੇ ਹੱਟੇ। ਸ਼ਾਹਿਦ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਜ਼ਬਰਦਸਤ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਫਿਲਮ ever ਹੈ। ਚੜ੍ਹਦੇ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਾਲੀਆਂ ਫਿਲਮਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਕਾਫ਼ੀ ਬਿਹਤਰ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਬੋਲੀਵੂਡ ਦੀ ਰੀਸ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀ। ਬਕਵਾਸ ਗਾਣੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਨ ਪਰ ਗੋਰਿਆਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਫਿਲਮਾਂ ਵਾਂਙ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਕਹਾਣੀhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=pEWqOAcYgpQ&fbclid=IwAR0oYsE1vuKkTq0dDDdS_G0bZJ3rry2GBXuDwhVC1UCDdPycJS2zUwajyys
Also check the review out of this guy as well
 
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYTaWOqkjhX0%26fbclid%3DIwAR1-8WtY0QZgqUZlH017lFgJ6hzUuyJgG80ZNQtq4_CSYVI3gkmw_Pe6fVw&h=AT0pgTJYrFsNvut5E9BAJ1hEDP2myMw1hTYd8YVqCPh5xZ_DPzzoSGNJqJwpSMSSfsVcO-9MRDraQ3lhSUzWoyW8W7JC3jb64LY92AtO_aoRhvwUWl0AQM5GBISL8AriAdmO&__tn__=%2CmH-R&c[0]=AT0ZUVtzHpnQgVpd50iF2mz1sfJ7tI71mTSE1RAmDF0btRErOpld1Vm2R4BQCMMJLnCXQVEaioBLwcekoBLjWuKJ3mKDBGuR7tXqFWKotyaHNfzOytoRbuIRThF_5dNa7J9oTWSPbxCOTyvXNDx97Q8LT7ZHTWVJIB6HYriME1BzhaZP_dY_35f_yVsTdJk4NPRpPSqbGX9XArrrkPdL-5A
 

So what does this have to do with us?
Well first and foremost the Panjabi language and similiar traits to the culture and character of Sikhs.
Not even 1% of Pakistani perople will even know that the original film in the 70s was based on a Punjabi short story called Gandasa
It then appeared as Wehsii Jatt and then updated itself a the major Pakistani film Maula Jatt in 1980 which in turn was made into the film Putt Jattan De in Indian Punjab as well as some HIndi Bolllywood film.
 
And now the Pakistani Cinema has reclaimed it as the  Legend of Maula jatt.
All I can say is the current Indian Punjabi film industry has been churning out light entertainment that does not do much for Panjabi and that Bolywood filsm are now all crap.
With this in mind and context the new version has decimated Bollywood and makes most current Charda Panjab film slook..well poor. One problem is we only promote singers and not actual actors
( apart from on part where all the actors sing there are no actual songs in the traditional sense in Maula Jatt or aping of Bollywood)
Indian Panjabi cinema needs to learn from this film and forge and ID away from aping Hindi Cinema formula.
We watched it as the only Sikhs in the Cinema where there was a little discomfort ( caused I think by all of our 1947 etc post prejudices and past histories) but there was no clashing and all enjoyed it equally and was proud to see our language up there. I feel sorry for  the 25m Sikhs and Hindu Punajbis that are in India as they are being deprived for some reason by the Indian authorities or something form seeing it,. It just hasn't released there.
So what else can I say?
Fantastic. Film possibly the best Punjabi film ever made certainly superior to all Hindi films since Sholay
ਅਸੀਂ ਹੁਣੀ ਮੌਲਾ ਜੱਟ ਫਿਲਮ ਵੇਖ ਕੇ ਹੱਟੇ। ਸ਼ਾਹਿਦ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਜ਼ਬਰਦਸਤ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਫਿਲਮ ever ਹੈ। ਚੜ੍ਹਦੇ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਾਲੀਆਂ ਫਿਲਮਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਕਾਫ਼ੀ ਬਿਹਤਰ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਬੋਲੀਵੂਡ ਦੀ ਰੀਸ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀ। ਬਕਵਾਸ ਗਾਣੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਨ ਪਰ ਗੋਰਿਆਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਫਿਲਮਾਂ ਵਾਂਙ ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਕਹਾਣੀhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=pEWqOAcYgpQ&fbclid=IwAR0oYsE1vuKkTq0dDDdS_G0bZJ3rry2GBXuDwhVC1UCDdPycJS2zUwajyys
Also check the review out of this guy as well
 
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYTaWOqkjhX0%26fbclid%3DIwAR1-8WtY0QZgqUZlH017lFgJ6hzUuyJgG80ZNQtq4_CSYVI3gkmw_Pe6fVw&h=AT0pgTJYrFsNvut5E9BAJ1hEDP2myMw1hTYd8YVqCPh5xZ_DPzzoSGNJqJwpSMSSfsVcO-9MRDraQ3lhSUzWoyW8W7JC3jb64LY92AtO_aoRhvwUWl0AQM5GBISL8AriAdmO&__tn__=%2CmH-R&c[0]=AT0ZUVtzHpnQgVpd50iF2mz1sfJ7tI71mTSE1RAmDF0btRErOpld1Vm2R4BQCMMJLnCXQVEaioBLwcekoBLjWuKJ3mKDBGuR7tXqFWKotyaHNfzOytoRbuIRThF_5dNa7J9oTWSPbxCOTyvXNDx97Q8LT7ZHTWVJIB6HYriME1BzhaZP_dY_35f_yVsTdJk4NPRpPSqbGX9XArrrkPdL-5A
 

Mate, you get the weirdest people PMing you, plus I stand by the notion, that if you want to say something say it in the open. (Unless you have mental health issue that makes you say 'out there' stuff.
 
It's not galtian if your purposefully doing it, you're simply creating a new dialect - which would be natural under these circumstances. 
 
When have freshies EVER been positive about 'vlathees'. Mate, you get enough hits on some of your work to know that it isn't just 50 odd people reading it.
Bluntly speaking, you've been given feedback from a few people in the recent past on here. Simply put, you're trying to cater to too wide and divergent an audience. It's like you're trying to impress the freshies with your vocab range, but at the same time catering to the west. I think that's where you are going wrong. You need to keep your writing style but use 'advance words' sparingly as hell. No one wants to pull out dictionaries every other sentence. You've been told this by a few people now.      
 
 
  To divergent an audience I think. You can't please everyone. 

Sorry Dal. I didn't mean to stress you. Work comes first. I appreciate what you have said. I did want to message you but the website doesn't let me.
I guess the issue I have is having not been schooled in Panjabi even in the west, I am prone to grammar and occasional spelling errors. What makes it more difficult is I am writing my syntax as we Punjabis ( Sikhs really as I can't speak for the other Panjabis if we are using religious labels) in the west speak. It is a fact English syntax impact us. This means Indian Panjabi readers are less forgiving as to them the Creole dialect of ours is alien and wrong. That is understandable and I do try and write as close to Taxila / Kendri Panjabi as I am able to but I enjoy making my sentences the way the writer in English I read structure them. SO it becomes depressing when all I get is your work is full of galtian even after 20 years of self learning.
The fact is many so called famous Theth Panjabi writers have errors but because the world now knows I am from the west even the most uneducated one of them feels they can getaway with saying it to me. It becomes depressing as the natural audience for me is YOU, and very few of YOU will read Panjabi outside of a religious / Philosophical book.
Only if you think that there are even 50 potential readers in the west / world who would appreciate it I feel like carrying on. Otherwise no, I don't.
If you think there are 50 ( to date only 3 or 4 on Sikhawareness I have noticed take an interest) then I will write a separate post with a proposal about all this,
 
 
On the positive side some people in Panjab have began recognising me, so maybe those who burn me down are just jealous? And also I could run my manuscripts by so called Panjabi experts before I go to publish in future
 

Sorry Dal. I didn't mean to stress you. Work comes first. I appreciate what you have said. I did want to message you but the website doesn't let me.
I guess the issue I have is having not been schooled in Panjabi even in the west, I am prone to grammar and occasional spelling errors. What makes it more difficult is I am writing my syntax as we Punjabis ( Sikhs really as I can't speak for the other Panjabis if we are using religious labels) in the west speak. It is a fact English syntax impact us. This means Indian Panjabi readers are less forgiving as to them the Creole dialect of ours is alien and wrong. That is understandable and I do try and write as close to Taxila / Kendri Panjabi as I am able to but I enjoy making my sentences the way the writer in English I read structure them. SO it becomes depressing when all I get is your work is full of galtian even after 20 years of self learning.
The fact is many so called famous Theth Panjabi writers have errors but because the world now knows I am from the west even the most uneducated one of them feels they can getaway with saying it to me. It becomes depressing as the natural audience for me is YOU, and very few of YOU will read Panjabi outside of a religious / Philosophical book.
Only if you think that there are even 50 potential readers in the west / world who would appreciate it I feel like carrying on. Otherwise no, I don't.
If you think there are 50 ( to date only 3 or 4 on Sikhawareness I have noticed take an interest) then I will write a separate post with a proposal about all this,
 
 
On the positive side some people in Panjab have began recognising me, so maybe those who burn me down are just jealous? And also I could run my manuscripts by so called Panjabi experts before I go to publish in future
 

I am considering starting a reading group of just a few maybe  Lehar,,,on Sikhawareness, depends upon feedback on all this
 

Thanks for your confidence, but really need to think who will be motivated to use Punjabi from us Baharlay Banday I think

And yet I get reviews ,like this from others....https://ibb.co/mHqPLDK
Dalsingh 101 himself has said nothing about what he thinks

I am considering starting a reading group of just a few maybe  Lehar,,,on Sikhawareness, depends upon feedback on all this
 

Thanks for your confidence, but really need to think who will be motivated to use Punjabi from us Baharlay Banday I think

I'm working like a slave. Studying Gurmat on my phone using audio mainly. As I learn Punjabi academically in this next year before returning to school, I'm learning the Guri form from Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and your dialect from your works bro. You already did me such a solid. 
Colloquial punjabi will be last and simply a matter of grammar. 
I'll studying computer programming then mechanical engineering. 
Really looking forward to immersing in languages both spoken and coded in tandem with the math. 

My Panjabi sentences are considered to be weird and erroneous re spellings and comprehensive grammar by natives. However based on what I think Dalsingh101 said a few months or years back they made sense to his western panjabi mind. I had these stories proof read, admittedly by a British Sikh, who is educated and has lived in the UK for years...yet others find the sentences frustrating and full of typos ( who knows not 2 Panjabis spell the same way as far I have seen in the last 20 years) so when I sent it to an Audiobook reader in Canada she said
 
reading your story- thanks for sharing somehow many typos and problematic sentences interfere with the flow and understanding of the text
This despite it having been proof read ( Admittedly the guy is no professional but understands our western mind set.)  so here below are the links to stories I sent her ( Assuming you read Panjabi, and if not maybe someone who does can read and say if she is right)
https://www.punjabikahani.punjabi-kavita.com/Khat-Roop-Dhillon.php?fbclid=IwAR1w6vMgQAMt0QSeOX67sRSNWls9v9nu_udiLr5H5igmHvxJd4HTWNCwp8Y
and 
 
http://www.punjabizm.com/forums-red-ripples-rupinder-dhillon-26192-5-1.html?fbclid=IwAR0CbigmKLJdNytW8ls5v5yx51FNQK9EkNqcHyoV6t0nGT_QL9g6fFzUC0g
 
 

ok, Sadly that means I went about doing things the wrong way, as in essence I should only have written In Panjabi if I was qualified with either GCSE / A Level Panjabi ( as far as grammar is concerned) or done a Panjabi Medium course. Of course there are hundreds of successful unpaar panjabi writers ( we have similar situation in English as an artistic person doesn't need a degree)  but their advantage over me is it's their daily language in Panjab. My problem is that if I am targeting people who think like me and use Panjabi like me, then as you have proved, I have no reader as all they will use for is sign reading in India or maybe reading SGGS. The ones who can read it as you have already pointed out are in India but they don't get my Panjabi. SO I feel this proves I have been wrong trying to write for them and actually don't have readers. I do not know about other Indian languages in the context you have mentioned

Premi's comments also bring up a larger point than whether it is pointless me writing Panjabi for a Fantasy readership...surely than why bother teaching Panjabi outside of India / Pakistan, why waste time making kids learn it in Gurdwarsa, Masjids and Mandars if no one in west will practically use it to read and write? Doesn't it mean GCSE / A Level Panjabi learning and teaching is pointless ( and the equivalents in Canada and Australia?)

And yet I get reviews ,like this from others....https://ibb.co/mHqPLDK
Dalsingh 101 himself has said nothing about what he thinks

just saw this. So do yo or would you read such stories?
 

no. It was only a question for Dalsingh as he first shared my work and I know he has a similar background. You are allowed an opinion as much as the next man. Its opinions I am seeking as I am feeling low about all I have tried to do. I think the problem is our anglization or is it that we can only communicate in English now?  The thing is that is also fast becoming the case in Panjab anyhow as far as I can see. They read English more than anything else now and Hindi above Panjabi...this is our parents who only think Economically, so seeing Panjabi as useless have send all the middle class kids to Convert Schools where Panjabi is banned and so now you have only slightly better off Panjabis than us in Panjab who in 2 decades will also stop using Panjabi I think. Nevertheless the question is what can we do to start a British / Canadian / OZ etc movement where even if it is our second language we are willing to and will read Panjabi books, be they Religious, Factual or Fiction.
But before I can openly discuss that with Sikhawareness members I need to understand am I wasting time and there is no audience. That's why I addressed DalSingh and would like to know what you think. For example are you willing ( assuming you already haven't) to learn Panjabi and read books in Panjabi, especially my variety which let's face it takes more from Western Novels and Films than Panjabi books and Bollywood. Or am I wasting my time?
 

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