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i think hell=narak in this case , how else would you translate it. i think you forget what simran means. Simran is constant remembrance of God.

http://www.singhsabha.com/battle_of_chamkaur.htm

didnt want to i guess - all sareers have to die. Gursikhs wait for their death like people wait for their weddings.

its used for mool mantar jaap.

i disagree its the persons mind that doesnt exist. This world doesnt exist. "hell" as you call it is more real than earth and has different levels. As souls that remember spending a few thousand years there will testify. 'heaven' as you call it also has several different levels, the highest of which is Sach Khand.

you mean how his sareer diied? or why?

not true. hell doesnt fit in with the Christian definition of eternal damnation, but there are naraks. After you die, you may have to pass through these places before you get another birth. Check out the suleman story on this site somewhere - there is an audio recording too. these are prets a few people have. Not to mention the prets that turn up at Mahapursh sangat asking for mukti and dsecribing what theyve been through. Guru Sahiban are samrath and have described this in Gurbani. youre entitled to your opinion, but the aim of Sikhism is to submit to the hukam of Akaal Purkh....which could fit in with what you've said (with the submission being a higher existence), but Im not sure if thats what you meant.

it was a rhetorical question

yus... heres his story http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...ht=real+suleman

Hell is a punishment to teach you that you made a mistake. Suleman was sentenced to hell, and then 1000 years as a pret before he was given human life.

that was hukam given him by Dharamraja - further reinforced by the fact that Guru Nanak Dev Ji told him that he has to do what Dharam Raja told him. It is part of his sentence - ie he has to have 10 janams before he will be given Jeevan mukti, doesnt mean he is not a Gursikh - he jus needs to finish off his sentence.

....thats besides the point what happens to the person after they die, and where has the person who is born come from

a real sant wont really say anything about anyone else, unless directly asked by some close sangati. There are basically very very few Sants that are born Sants - Baba Nand Singh ji, St Isher Singh ji for example. But they leave behind a legacy of Mahapursh - basically a line of Mar Jeevan. They know through experience and anbhav what you need to do to reach their level. If you dont want their advice dont take it, but for those of us who do value their advice, your constant nindya is nothing more than hurtful. None of you have met them or listened to their kirtan/katha. All you see is 'omg he/she is jathedar/ni of w/e and sangat have started calling them sant, lyk, omg, they must be hypocrites/rapists/thieves.' You dont see that someone has been doin constant seva since they were children. Im not saying that there arent fake sants, but to say that all sant samaj are fake, refer to people as derawalas etc - this is nindia of people who have dedicated their lives to seva. You're throwing the baby out with the dirty water. We have our lines of thought and logic and you have yours, in no way do any of you have any right to say what Sikhi should be and what we should make it - it is manmat. You think the Gurus are not powerful enough to maintain true Sikhi? stopsingh - no real sant has ever claimed to be equal of Guru Sahib. If you want to see what sant is read Sukhmani Sahib, or do you have only selective acceptance of Gurbani, and believe only what supports your point of view. Yes, Guru Ram Das ji is referred to as Gur Sant. GUR Sant. Mahapursh are sevaks, sants are also sevaks, they are plain sant, not Gur Sant. Jin saas giraas na visrai, Har nama man mant. Dhan se saee Nanaka pooran saee Sant. this is ridiculous - admin lock the thread already

I would say satogun, or at least rajogun, depending on the reason you eat it for. but i honestly dunno

alchohol, blood, meat, eggs are tamoguni food milk is satoguni food ...we cant really argue about this as its a transcript - he said waht he said. Believe it or reject as you please, but this is more than enough for me to quit tamas food.

could you scan it and put it up...

nasha and its not just meat etc - its all tamas food which is why the alcohol is included. Sikhs are onkly supopsed to eat satoguni food.

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/fact/thr_report....pcategory=Women that should sort you out

This Shabad is by Guru Gobind Singh in Amrit Keertan on Pannaa 299 svYXw ] savaiyaa || CqRI kO pUq hO bwmn ko nih kY qpu Awvq hO ju kro ] shhathree ka pooth ha baaman ko nehi kai thap aavath ha j karo || Aru Aaur jMjwr ijqo gRh ko quih iqAwg khw icq qw mY Dro ] ar aour ja(n)jaar jitho greh ko thuhi thiaag kehaa chith thaa mai dhharo || Ab rIJ kY dyhu vhY hm kau joau hau ibnqI kr jor kro ] ab reejh kai dhaehu vehai ham ko joo ho binathee kar jor karo || jb Awau kI AauD inDwn bnY Aiq hI rn mY qb jUJ mro ]2489]513] jab aao kee aoudhh nidhhaan banai ath hee ran mai thab joojh maro ||2489||513|| heres the link for Gurmukhi version http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=10096

my point is that jus coz you knew of a few people that arent sant doesnt mean that sants arent around. Sants stay gupt and wont comment on anyone unless challenged.

whats your point? there have always been fake sants - there were even more during Guru Jis time. doesnt mean there arent real ones.

are you respecting the opinions of people using Gurbani to explain what a sant is when you say all sant are corrupt? and black goddess has a right to believe whatever according to how she sees your posts. If you seem narrow minded to her then so be it. to be honest a lot of the things you have said are assertions with no back up and as such are narrow minded. you dont seem to read the things people post but you get pedantic about little criticsms. This is a public forum - when you publicly state what you believe you open the door for retorts from all other opinions. you said you came here to learn but you get offended at other peoples' criticism of you and then state your opinion as fact - that is what has annoyed everyone. this is an oxymoron

whos stopping you? you write what you beliee and people have replied what they believe. Thats why its called a forum. Or do you want only your opinion to be heard? You have to accept that there will be people with an opinion against yours. people are against coz you make gross assertions - 'all sants are corrupt' first you say you dont believe in sants then you say you think theyre rare. We know theyre rare no one said theyre not. For the people who think sants dont exist, then who was Kabir Ji? Who were Dhroo and Prahlad? What do you think it means when Gurbani talks of Jeevan mukt. The Guru himself creates Bhramgiani - its not up to us. Suman - when you say why did no one esle speak up? Sants are veparvah they dont fear anything - they all have their own duty - Sant Jarnail Singh Ji did his, the others did theirs. "Jina saas ghiraas na visrai har nama man mant. Dhan se saee Nanaka pooran soi sant." PS writing in caps = shouting

why not? its huge seva to build hospitals and schools what do you want them to do with the money sangat gives them? buy cars?

relax it is kaljug after all when you see someone doing wrong try to help 'instead of cursing the darkness light a lamp'