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I just used his Words - so dont know what he meant by it and what defition he had in mind. In any case, his point was that the girls did not feel they could turn to their own community for help. Then of course people can agree or disagree  whether this is true or not. People in the UK have much more knowledge of whether thats true or not.

Singh I did not mean to victim blame so let me clarify. There is no doubt that the filthy perpetrators are the only ones to blame. It’s their actions alone. And you are absolutely right regarding breaking of law and the Sikhs being hard working people.  
The reason I mention the Sikh community having a responsibility (and notice I put them in as the third and last)  is due to them being targeted for 30+ years.  If someone breaks into my house for 10 years straight and after 8 years I still haven’t installed an alarm and often forget to close my windows,- then surely there should be some self-pondering right ? Bhai Jagraj Singh in one of his wake up calls talked about one of the Major problems being that “the girls don’t believe in the Khalsa anymore, they don’t believe the Khalsa will help them” (paraphrased from memory). This was one of the problems - that the girls didn think they could find help amongst their own. When Bhai sahib was here giving a two day camp we had long talks with him on this issue and he also stated the Sikh community should have been more alert and much earlier. Today the situation is different luckily. More girls turn to their own for help.  There is a greater focus amongst Sikh ngos such as Sikh awareness society, Sikh youth Birmingham, basics of Sikhi, Sikh helpline and individual parcharaks who work hard with the community, activism and authorities to stop this. 

Yes one on astrology and I think some independent poetry verses also

I haven't seen it elsewhere. Thats why I said I assume that this might have been an Indian poetic tradition that Maharaj was following  (in the same way he followed the Indian tradition of writing in dohra, kabits, various chands etc.)

Though I doubt the Sikhs ever did this due to the sacredness of Dasam Granth , - there are some 'editorial comments' in large sections of Dasam bani where it states that "if the poets find any errors, please correct and improve upon this Work'. I assume this is a literary tradition of humbleness in Indian literature, but it opens up the possibility of open-ended writings that can keep being added to.   I think this is why Pyara Singh regards the Panj Sau Sakhi as one such example as it contains many sakhis that deal with the invasions of Nadir Shah etc. 
 

No Kavi Santokh Singh had 6 children, one of them, Jai Singh, was an adept scholar himself in Sanskrit and astrology. 

I read that rahitnama in India on a wall in the mountains . It said something like:
The Sikhs who refer to Amrit as water and the Sikhs who ask another Sikh about his caste,- they will all go to hell.
 
 
 

The Aladin was not part of the original manuscript but was added by the Europeans in the 18th century 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin

Books like these have been added to over the years as never-ending stories.  You see the same in Sanskrit books where there are different layers of historical inputs.  Pyara Singh Padam says the same about the panj sau sakhi - originally begun in the Anandpur darbaar and then kept being added to over the decades.  

The Aladin was not part of the original manuscript but was added by the Europeans in the 18th century 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin

Good observation of likeness 

Beautiful.  Where/whats  the word for angry in this sentence ? 

I like this one. It talks of the often discussed notion from Gurbani of how one can go from high to low in no time. How social and power structures can change in the blink of an eye.  

Is there anything to suggest that Arabian nights was read and studied in Mughal India ?

He also fails to live up to the standards of honour of both caste/class that he belongs to/pretends to belong to.   

The translation is a bit confusing.  
The gist of the story is a man of one of the highest religious  caste who presents himself to the people as an aristocrat - one of the highest secular classes. He manages to fool both the people through his welfare work but also the king.  He is doing good charitable work but in order to blind and fool people.
 
I think the charitar deals with people who are engaged in good deeds but Only so to pave the way for later fraud.

The translation is a bit confusing.  
The gist of the story is a man of one of the highest religious  caste who presents himself to the people as an aristocrat - one of the highest secular classes. He manages to fool both the people through his welfare work but also the king.  He is doing good charitable work but in order to blind and fool people.
 
I think the charitar deals with people who are engaged in good deeds but Only so to pave the way for later fraud.

This is quite an interesting story. It also talks about how your senses can fool you.  

This is quite an interesting story. It also talks about how your senses can fool you.  

Wonderful quotes towards the end. 

It is important to note also that the concept of shastardhari and resistance in sikhi is broader than solely carrying and fighting with weapons. There is also the jeeb Kharag (resistance through speaking against tyranny) and gian kharag (using knowledge to resist tyranny) as exemplified through the chaubis avatar Granth.  Being shastardhari doesn’t mean you solve all problems through violence and sword. In fact it’s a noble concept that includes aspects of diplomacy, civil engagement, compromise and finally victory. Whatever the situation commands, the right approach is utilised for the benefit of all. 

The way I understand religion is - a closed and narrow way of life with clear cut boundaries, - an in-group and an out-group that Is setup as an enemy of sort. A religion also has a somewhat fixed theology and practice. Dualistic in nature 
 

Welcome to the forum then little brother. Feel free to browse around and ask the Sangat here any questions you might have. 

I think Sikhi has morphed into a religion in the last 100 years. Prior to the British raj, sikhi wasn’t a religion. It was plural and diverse in nature breaking it free from the narrow confinements of religion.  

Depends on how you define a religion.