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commotion there will be . if the budha dal which is the supreme body of the true sikhs cannot avoid commotion in their elections of new jathedars, why are you so concerned over the singh sabhia's neo sikhs commotion in choosing a new committee? maybe budha dal should show us how its done? chatanga

i getcha.

so whats ur point nihumg jee? chatanga

perhaps Nihang Niddar Singh wants t use the new material for his book first, then maybe move it tothe site. but as i look today on nirnajana's good advice, the only thing that was updated on 01/01/07 was the copyright. Now i read the copyright and it seems to fall in line with the copyright of the singh sabhia, akjs, ddt, and sgpc. Has the sanatan viewpoint taken a u-turn? chatanga

exactly wot has been updated ? jus the copyright it states.

a good few months ago i asked for the cd's that are sent, but they have not arrived. has onyone else ordered thess cd's? chatanga

the story of anoop kaur is as folows and the gurmukhs can correct any mistakes. once a band of sikhs were travelling to see Guru Gobbind Singh and they were attacked by 4 moghals/robbers. In this battle a bibi called Anoop Kaur drew her kirpan and killed a moghul/robber. The sikhs onreaching Guru ji told him what hapned and they asked Guru ji is it right what Anoop Kaur did. Guru Ji said yes and blessed her for defedning herself. The kirpan is there for defecne, why do only men have the riht to defend themselves? Cant women have this right? The sikhs on hearing this fell at Guru ji feet. typing this the sakhi of mai bhago comes to mind. didnt she wear a kirpan or keep shastar? kaur uk , you may never knowwhen you are going to face a situation where umay need to defend yourslef, so its kinda hard to pick and choose onwhich day to wear a kirpan. chatanga

If the Akalis did relegate the kirpan to the kanga, at least at sum point they had the sense to reinstate it back to the original. chatanga

and also guru gobind singh didnt intend for kuria to wear kirpan or even join th khalsa, but many have....jus to throw tht in .... to quote kaur uk Have you heard the sakhi of Anoop Kaur? Bhai Ram Singh's benti cannot be held equal to the hukam of Guru Gobind Singh. Who is Bhai Ram Singh to relegate the Kirpan to kanga? Has the kirpan never been used in self defence since or did Bhai Ram Singh know that there was no more use for the kirpan that he relegated it to kanga? If Bhai Ram made this decision then should we assume that Bhai Balak Singh wore a kirpan in his gatra? chatanga

paintballing , thats a good one, a lot more people might participate in it.

so kaur let me get this right, when there was oppression by the british the kirpan was relegated to the kangha. no there is no oppression the kirpan stays on the kanga. plz explain. If Guru Gobind Singh wanted the kirpan on t he kangha he would have said it. Kirpan can never be symbolic. if they could why cant the other 4 k's be symbolic? Its there for a reason. also has the opresion ended? look at panjab now and the violence against the weakner sections of people is still there ie aginst dalits. etc I would never claim that there is no opression in india. chatanga

sorry i should have said he was simply fitted up becuz the police wanted sum money from him cos he was loaded and he refused. they then arrested him on possessing explosives. same story has been repeated many times on nri's and the indians.

p.s. your claim that "in a country where you would be looking at 2 years min. in and out of court, becuz you said the word khalistan means that only a handful of people with political clout are the ones who can say it." is a nice theory ... it aint a thoery man, if you dont beleive go and try it. at the moment there is a sikh from uk known as Parmjit Singh Dhadi in jail in india , whats he in for? the ravan sena arested him for possessing 15 kilos of explosives as he returned from a wedding. he has been in jail since dec 06 , and i dont think he will be released until the end of this year. the ravan sena can do anything it like upto a point where the name of terrorism arises. I would like you to try and prove it though by going to india and talking about khalistan. chatanga

harbhajan what u say is right in theory but it dont always work out that way inpractice.

if your not under much opression these days then you should also call for the kirpan to be reinstated in the gatra rather than the kanga. chatanga

niranjana the issue of khalistan being on the net is prob becuz its a safe way to express yourself. True , the movment can only start and fininsh in India, but in a country where you would be looking at 2 years min. in and out of court, becuz you said the word khalistan means that only a handful of people with political clout are the ones who can say it. The day when sum1 like me could express their views in a ravan raaj dusht hakoomat country like india is when we will actually have sum progress in india, rather than having to talk about it in hushed tones, for fear of the ravan sena that is known as the panjab police. chatanga

The vast majority of Sikhs dont give tgwo hoots for khalistan, i guess youre right about this, but that duznt make it something bad. The vast majority of Sikhs dont care about Sikhi, but that duznt make Sikhi bad either. The vast majority of Sikhs problalbly couldnt give a shhite over starving african, but that duznt make them right. I support Khalistan, and a lot of people who i know do, certainly the majority of gursikhs do tend to support it, the people who dont are usaully those who know nothing about Sikhi either. I was at a wedding last week, and the guys brother said in a loud voice after the lavan" is it fininshed" befre getting up and walking out. I supose if you asked him he wouldnt say he supported it. If you asked sum1 who was more into Sikhi, he probably would say yes.

There were no gurdwara comiitees fighting, it was sum people from shere panjab fighting with sum singhs. The sp have been used by the president of the smethwick gurdwara to intimidate and beat up his opponenets in the gurdwara comiittee.

Shame he' s from the udasi, the foremost preachers of Sikhi, and using and encouraging the use of alcohol.

the boy with tha colors in him , that one thing ive neva undertood. I never knew or thort that Sikhs would throw colors on 1 anotha. Can anyone explain this to me and my small mind? chatanga

Baba Kahan Das of vil Kala Sangha. I never knew he was a udasi, and i dfidnt fink that udasi used alcohol. Thats a new one on me. But I know loads of people go there every masia or something. Usually people who wanna drink( my relatives included). chatanga

I certauinly learned a llot from this post. Thank you everyone involved. chatanga

what could Nihang Niddar Singh say about vasaikhi that would upset any people? Can any1 enlighten me on wat sanatan sikhi vassaikhi message is about? chatanga

why they pull plug?

50 gunmen in one shot ? thats a big ask.