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Kavita ji, you once told me that your dad wants to convert to islam and hes amritdhari.... is there something you are thinking about it?

First of all.. Amrit can never be broken. It can never become Khandit. Yes even if you commit the 4 bujjet kurehits.. Your amrit is never broken. Because if your amrit breaks , then that what you had taken was not amrit. Amrit means immortality. Amrit means that which cannot be destroyed. Amrit mean that which cannot be broken. This is why we say "WE TOOK AMRIT FROM THE GURU." So once a person becomes amritdhari, he becomes Guru-wala. The duty of the Guru is to deliver that person out of the cycle of birth and rebirth. Even after death the Guru will always be with such a person. It is the duty of the Guru, this is why a Guru is called Guru (dispeller of darkness) A person can do several bujjer kurehits over his life time.. a person can do several illegal stuff. He will get punished for it for sure... but ultimately he will get delivered by the Guru. A child can do several wrong things in life, a child can steal, lie ... but the mother will ultimately change the habits of the child, this is the duty of the mother. The mother will not see the merits-demerits of the child. But a child who is without a mother, can do several bad things in life, but since the child has no mother... the child will not get delivered. So a person may do several bajjer kurehits and if he realises his/her mistake then that person can pesh infront of the panj pyare or do ardaas and continue to follow the way of the khalsa botherhood. A person may kill his father as kavita said, still that person upon realising his/her mistake can pesh infront of panj pyare or simply ask forgiveness in front of SGGS and can continue to live the way he is suppose to live keeping his rehat. We can several wrong things in life.. kurehits or non-kurehits... but then when we realise our mistakes we can say "I wish to start life the way I had left it back when I was khalsa"..... and thats fine. The Bajjar Kuraits are the four basic things that which we MUST avoid in life. Namely, eating meat, sex outside marriage, cutting hair, and intoxicants. Yes there are other things also which we MUST avoid... but everything cant be put into writing. In all cases... once you have taken amrit. it wont die. cos amrit is amrit ! by drinking amrit one becomes immortal... so not in this life-time but maybe in more lifetimes, the person who was once amritdhari will surely get delivered out the cycle of death-rebirth.

The links to sant jis pic is not working. can u post them please

i see u r back javanmard.

LOL !!

These countries r still living in the dark-ages of Europe. Thats what I have been trying to say for so long, when I talk about Iran.

Just yesterday only I was listenning to katha . Someone who first gives himself to the Guru and then ditches to the Guru and goes to another place. Never finds peace in lok and parlok ! Such a person the author compared to a married woman who ditches her husband and goes toanother.

its not a fork... but it looks like a three-ended spear, commonly used as a weapon by shiva ...

i read some of it.. i really cant read it... but such carnages have happened in every country in the 2000s it happened with the muslim community in Gujarat... men filled with hatred can do anything everything. Those who took part in the carnage will surely be punished afterlife if not now. but what can one do now ! Indira is dead , so is Rajiv... I wonder where they are now.

At first point these people rape a girl and then ask her to conver to Islam and follow the HOLY KORAN ! What can one think of Islam? Does this religion allow rape against non-muslims and then forcefully conver them. Check this out also .... http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=10109 two girls 11 and 16 kidnapped and forced to convert to islam and married off to strangers.

yes i agree with matheen ji

VERY NICE ARTICLE ABOUT RECITING IKONGKAAR, WHAT ABOUT RECITING WAHEGURU , DID GYANI JI SHED SOME LIGHT ON IT?

man niranjana, i just placed my opinion there. you guys are so rude on this forum with no manner and no humility. all i said was in that the word :True: is always placed emphasis in Gurbani, that only a True Guru can take you out of maya... many times you will find that Gurbani tells thatonly a Poora Guru one who is united and can unite others is authentic. And yes, there are many Gurus , who claim to lead people to jivan mukti, but they are incomplete.... and you are saying that i have a "better than others" attitude. People on this forum is so criticising each other's opinion. I have never seen a forum like this, this is why with people like you we are having sikhi falling apart. I guess you better need to practice naam simran, do you even do you amrit vela and the 7 banis ?? BYE

what is ishtadev and vidya gurdev as far khalsa panth is concerned there is only one TRUE GURU... emphasis is placed on the word "TRUE" ..that only a Guru who is united with God can be called a Guru unlike other panths where even a swami becomes a Guru.

My friend you are making a simple thing very complicated. First of all no human being on this world can fight or be free from sexual thoughts ! no matter how much tapsya or yoga he does ! Second of all.... any human being who does a simple ardaas to WAHEGURU with full HUMILITY will instantly be protected from sexual thoughts, so if you get sexual thoughts pray to WAHEGURU and see your WILL POWER get double and triple .. this daass is saying from personal experience. The problem is that most human beings will not do ardaas to maharaaj cos they really really enjoy masturbation

Niranjna,what I said about negative astral entities is something that I have experienced personally and hence it is not something that can be easily explained unless one hasnt experience the astral realm. Well all live in the physical world... but when we meditate and when we loose conscious of our physical body during meditation, we can experience the more subtle worlds and the more subtle things happening around us... There is another world that exists which is called the astral world ! ... or in punjabi and in gubani it is mentioned as suksham world or suksham shareer. After death when you leave your physical body you leave it through your astral body or suksham shareer. The Suksham shareer is attracted to thoughts/energies depending on wether they are positive or negative. For example when people do a lot of masturbation or a lot of bad things, then these astral spirits who also like such thoughts get attracted towads you through your thoughts. So after masturbating if you meditate really really deep then you can vividl feel astral entities of the same like ! We are not independent of these astral entities or spirits. They interact with our lives at all times. If you litsen to the suleman tape, he explains how the preth atmas (negative astral beings) use to get attracted to people who had died of negative vikaars. So it is the same for someoone who masturbate then they unknowingly/knowingly depending on their avatha attract negative spirits towards them. I hope I have explained this to you the best I can, I am not sure if you will agree with me, but its true... cos I have experienced the astral world.

Jannat, what you are trying to say is based on western psychology or interpretation that trying to stop masturbation can lead dangerous problems, but this will happen only when the mind is thinking masturbation and the body is forced not to do masturbation. However, with Gurbani from my personal experience you can stop the mind from thinking masturbation.. .infact it will stop automatically and one can remain without doing masturbation as long as one wants. The problem arises when we forget gurbani and naam simran, that is the time that illicit thoughts crap into the mind. Niranjana, Yes masturbation or infact indulging in any negative anti-gurmat thing will attract negative astral spirits or entities to you. Someone who has done enough meditation can actually see this happening in the astral realm. A person who doesnt have enough spiritual wealth will not be able to see this happening, but a person who can go deep into meditation can see the negative effects of masturbation and sexual thoughts.

jannat, so what are you trying to say?that masturbation is alright ! ... LOL .. i cant believe the detiorating state of the panth today. LOL oh my god !

Niranjana, its very simple. Masturbate and then try to meditate at Amrit Vela, try to go deep in meditation and you will know how masturbation affects the human mind n a negative way. i dont claim myself to be perfect brahmacharya or celibate... masturbation destroys all the spiritual practice u did.... its a devastation at a nuclear scale.

man just read the story of baba ji;s life which i posted above, in which the man eats lambs and then how he suffers. the story is from se kinehya. bus who am i to say anything. i have seen majority sikhs in western countries consume meat... and in india amritdharis dont eat meat.

I dont want to argue any more with meat eaters, but those eat meat will definetly have to pay the price. To close this discussion, I would like to paste a small story which I was reading from the biography Se Kinehya, It is about a man who was amritdhari , had slaughtered some lambs.. here is the story. It is from the life of RESPECTED SHRI SANT HARNAAM SINGH JI RAMPUR KHERA VALEY. I would suggest everyone and especially Maha Kharg Singh to read it.. who thinks he can get away with slaughtering animals. *************************************************************** Baba Ji had a devotee who lived near Jalandhar. He was God loving and religiously minded but was nonetheless easily misled by materialistic thoughts. That person arranged his daughter’s marriage to a rich but materialistic family. The day for the wedding was fixed. The gifts and dowry to be exchanged had been agreed. Finally, the menu for lunch was discussed. The groom’s family insisted on having liquor and meat at the wedding lunch. This devotee of Baba Ji raised some opposition to this demand but hesitated, thinking that if he were to flatly deny this demand then the groom’s family may break off the engagement. Influenced by his soon to be relatives, he agreed to serve meat and liquor at the lunch. The wedding day drew closer. The family came to deliver an invitation to Baba Ji and requested Baba Ji to attend the wedding ceremony and bless the couple. Baba Ji asked them where they had arranged their daughter’s marriage. He told Baba Ji about the family where his daughter was to be married and let slip that meat and liquor would be served because the groom’s family insisted upon it. Baba Ji listened patiently to the devotee’s admission and sighed deeply. He said, “O my good man, to stifle your own conscience under the influence of your relatives, showing your back to the Guru’s principles and doing that which is immoral reflects badly upon you. In doing so, what do we hope to gain in attracting the Guru’s displeasure. Our wise ancestors considered marrying our daughters off as a great and pious act of charity. On one hand, you are to perform a pious act and on the other many innocent animals are to be slaughtered for the transient pleasure of our taste buds. After the wedding, your daughter will go to her new house but who will shoulder the sin of slaughtering so many animals? Remember, you will have to carry this burden of sin and repay the debt in this and the next life. If your daughter is destined to be married into that household then she will marry into that family without any doubt. By offering meat and liquor is not going to cement her relations with that family anymore strongly than they are already destined. Neither will her marriage to that family deteriorate if you do not offer meat and drink. If you, as a baptised Sikh, falter in your vows like this, then what hope is there for the rest of the people? A gursikh should not abandon one’s vows or principles. He who abandons his principles is pushed around in this world and pushed out of God’s abode in the hereafter. If, as a gursikh, you behave in such a way, with what face can you or I tell others to abstain from liquor or meat. Only the one who practices moral principles can preach to others. He, who does not practice what he preaches and is thus a hypocrite, is not accepted in the Guru’s house. There is still time to rethink your decision and change your mind. The devotee listened despondently and with a sense of shame but still asked Baba Ji to attend the wedding. Baba Ji replied that a wedding where so many animals were to be killed for pleasure of the palate and where the Guru’s principles were abandoned in favour of public approval would be difficult to attend. That devotee sat a while and then left for his abode. The wedding party arrived on the appointed day. On one side, the wedding was being conducted in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and on the other, a short distance away; lambs were awaiting their death in order to provide pleasure for the guest’s palates. This surreal programme, of joy mixed with sorrow, finished at noon. The guests drank and ate, returning to their homes in a drunken stupor. Next the bride’s relatives had their turn to finish off the remaining alcohol and meat. With drunken people falling all over the place, it was amusing, in that no one needed a bed for the night to sleep in. Anyhow, the girl went to her in laws and a few days later the Sardar Ji was on his way into Jalandhar riding his scooter when he had an accident and broke his hip. Writhing in pain Sardar Ji was transported by car to a local hospital. The doctors there could not treat him and advised that he be taken to a bigger hospital with an experienced surgeon. He required major surgery, which involved replacing his hip with a steel prosthetic implant. The family members asked the doctor’s to relieve his pain until he could be taken to another hospital. The doctors attached a weight to Sardar Ji’s foot and laid him to rest. Five or six days were spent crying with excruciating pain. Only he knew how painful the fracture was but any visitors who came heard his blood curdling cries of pain. Contrary to the advice of the doctors the family brought Sardar Ji home and asked a local quack to fix his fractured hip instead of taking him to the specialist hospital. For three months, he was unable to move and being bedridden had to relieve himself whilst on the bed. He was utterly dependent on others to help him. By the fourth month, he was well enough to sit on the bed. Whoever visited him during these days would be told by Sardar Ji that he had been punished for killing those speechless animals. “To appease my daughter’s in-laws I ordered the killing of these animals and in return, I have been punished and must endure this extreme suffering and pain.†In the early days of his recovery, he had sent word to Baba Ji to come and visit him. He sent a message apologising to Baba Ji for not listening to his advice. As is the gentle, forgiving nature of Saints, Baba Ji decided to visit Sardar Ji. Baba Ji sat me beside him in the car. As soon as we arrived, the devotee started crying inconsolably, repenting his mistake and begged forgiveness. He confessed, “I abandoned my Guru’s principles under the influence of my new found relatives. Please forgive me Baba Ji. Baba Ji replied, “Sardar Ji you are mistaken to ask for my forgiveness, it is the Almighty who forgives. Pray for his forgiveness and repent your mistake in front of him alone. I only petitioned you take a particular action which you ignored. Are those people now sharing your pain for whose sake you earned and took upon such a sin? They made merry, ate and drank, then vanished off to their homes. You however must carry the burden of sin. They only came to enquire about your health once or twice. The pain you suffered is but a partial payment for your sin, there is more yet to repay because Gurbani says… Whatever deeds you have performed or are carried out at your command, you alone will have to answer for them. No one else can repay your debt or suffer for your sins. The Lord is beneficent and forgiving. In front of his grace, these sins are washed away like straw in a flood of water. Bhai Vir Singh Ji has mentioned a beautiful anecdote in his poem “Necklace of waves†that time, which has elapsed, cannot be recalled. The present time cannot be utilised by repenting our sinful deeds in remorse. Try to ask our friend the Almighty Waheguru to forgive our trespass. In the future, try to avoid making mistakes by acting upon the Guru’s’ advice.†For nearly a year Sardar Ji was left bedridden and even today, he limps on one leg when walking. To this day Sardar Ji guides people by giving them the benefit of learning from his experience, telling them of his traumatic experience ************************************************************

Veer ji , How dyou know the information present on sarbloh site is authentic. I choose to believe in what the sants say who are UNITED WITH GURU ! cos what they speak is what the WILL OF GURU is. secondly veer ji, to say that jhatka is a gift from the Guru would equate to saying that slaughtering animals as sacrifice to Allah is a gift from Allah , but Guru ji condemned all such sacrifices.

tsingh, the opinion of the person who i posted had done 4 years night seva at Harmandar Saab and is of very high great avastha. What exactly are you trying to imply with the monkey example that sex outside marriage or before marriage is okay in sikhi ??? Sikhi is a path for householders.

well I had met one gursikh at the time when i myself didnt want to marry and follow a grihst life. He said God created opposite sexes... men and women.... and they both must unite ! and thats God's creation. If we go against marriage we are just defying His creation. Ofcourse a celibate can also reach akal purakh, but it will be very HARD in that way, but in grihst life you can reach quicker ! That is allthat Imeant by will of God. As for animals running around and screwing each other .. I dontknow, I dont care and dont even would like to know. Its all God's mysterious lila ! which is beyond ourunderstanding

Gautam Buddha and his disciples ate meat and pork. They use to beg for food, but before they went begging for food they were told not to look what they got in their begging bowls and just eat whatever came their way. So in this case meat eat is acceptable. Meat eating is also acceptable if you are in a war and you got no food around you and no choice. But consider we are living in the year 2007. We have import/export trade of food going on , no matter where we live and what we do , we dont need to eat meat, unless we are perhaps fighting at the border of some country or marooned on an island alone all by ourselves !