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ok. let the fun begin. i had a similiar experience when i went to darbar sahib for the 1st time in my life in 1995. those things you mention etc. but i didnt see anything that looked male or female. But i had a feeling that i had come "home".

Harjas Kaur Ji, You are pushing a tired argument in re-posting the above shabd from 1082. I honestly feel that you have no idea of the shabd, and its relation to the subject. You are mistaking this as refering to the devi/devtas, but it isnt. I really suggest you act on the link i gave you. The idea that the word "Ram" or "Krishan" can ONLY refer to the avtaars is what is creating confusion. In Gurbani, metaphors, and imagery are used, and sometimes can be very difficult to understand. Only people fully versed in this knowledge can expound it, otherwise you will have the Hindu Sants (respectfully) who only know part of Gurbani, because they have not had access to the greater knowledge, who push their limited views of what Gurbani means. ie you have posted that as men worshipped lower Gods, they obtained lower rewards. here, people who only have lower limited knowledge of gurbani, give lower or incomplete meanings of gurbani. As it is said, " a half-truths can damage more than a lie..." As you cant even distinguish between Singh Sabha and Samprdaye's I would really suggest that you give it some serious thought. Sant Gurbachan Singhs first schooling was of the Vedic Holy Texts, years before he even got onto studying Gurbani. To label all thoughts not relating to your views as singh sabha whitewash is just riduculous.

an experience with the spirit world left me with no doubt, of life after this world.

Harjas Kaur Ji. that shabad you asked for the meaning of. i have listened to the katha of this shabad from Snat Gurbachan Singh. It was amazing katha, and if anything i wish to thank you for making me get off my fat backside and listen to this katha. The depth of the katha is truly amazing, and the words of Sant ji, i cannot translate into english cos me duz not have the budhi to. so i am going to request that you may listen to it instead : http://www.gurmatveechar.com/katha.php click on puratan katha, then Sant Gurbachan Singh, then Guru Granth Sahib folder, then vol 12 and it is page 1082. I was listening to it last night, but i wont share what i felt, until you have heard it yourself, as i would like to hear your views on it first. hope you dont mind. now, going back to your signature. there are many pauris in japji sahib, which were discussion between siddhs and Guru. The line that you have posted, is an answer to the siddhs on who Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Guru is. His Guru is the Guru of the Tri-Dev, not the Tri-Dev themselves, as the rest of Japji Sahib says time and time again that the Tri-Dev sing HIS praises, not their own. for clearer understanding of this Giani Thakur Singh has given good explanation on the Japji Sahib katha, and you will also learn the difference between OM and OMKAAR. you have insinuated that this katha is of singh sabha mentality, therefore it is not worth much, you are mistaken if you think that the samprdayes have changed their explanations of Gurbani just cos of the sabha. looking on Srigranth.org website, this is from the Faridkot wala teeka, which was done by nirmalas. Now I know your gurmukhi isnt fluent so ask if you have any probs reading this: ਗੁਰੂ ਧਾਰਨ ਕਰਕੇ ਹੀ (ਈਸਰੁ) ਸਿਵਜੀ ਹੂਏ ਹੈਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੀ ਧਾਰਨ ਕਰਕੇ (ਗੋਰਖੁ) ਬਿਸਨ ਜੀ ਹੂਏ ਹੈਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੀ ਧਾਰਨ ਕਰਕੇ (ਬਰਮਾ) ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਜੀ ਹੂਏ ਹੈਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੀ ਧਾਰਨ ਕਰਕੇ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਜੀ (ਮਾ) ਲੱਛਮੀ ਜੀ (ਈ) ਸੁਰਸਤੀ ਜੀ ਹੂਈ ਹੈ ਵਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੀ ਸਰਬ ਦੇਵ ਰੂਪ ਹੈਂ ਈਸਰ ਕਾ ਗੁਨੁ ਧਾਰ ਕਰ ਸਿੱਖੋਂ ਕਾ ਅਗ੍ਯਾਨੁ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਹੈ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਕਾ ਗੁਣ ਧਾਰ ਕਰ ਸੁਭ ਗੁਣੋਂ ਕੀ ਪਾਲਣਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਹੈਂ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਕਾ ਗੁਣੁ ਧਾਰ ਕਰ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਆਦਿ ਗੁਨ ਉਤਪੰਨ ਕਰਤਾ ਹੈਂ ਇਸੀ ਭਾਂਤ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਕਾ ਗੁਣ ਧਾਰ ਕਰ ਅਵਗੁਣੋਂ ਕਾ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਹੈਂ ਲੱਛਮੀ ਕਾ ਗੁਣੁ ਧਾਰਕਰ ਦੈਵੀ ਸੰਪਦਾ ਕੇ ਗੁਣੋ ਕਾ ਦਾਤਾ ਹੈਂ ਸੁਰੱਸ੍ਵਤੀ ਕਾ ਗੁਣੁ ਧਾਰ ਕਰ ਬਾਣੀ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਹੈਂ॥ ਪ੍ਰਸ਼ਨ: ਐਸੇ ਗੁਰੋਂ ਕੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਔਰ ਭੀ ਕਹੀਏ॥ ਉੱਤਰ:

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most of the sikh commies had pag. this is an old film, i seen it many moons ago. the bhagat singh brigade are emmissaries for peace not justice. their arguments are bullsheet.

neo bhaji, whats the hurry? is the forums police coming after you or summat for allowing this thread to go on?

i will have a look at the shabd you have posted. in the meantime your signature says: ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ gur eesar gur gorakh baramaa gur paarabathee maaee || The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi. ~SGGS Ji ang 2 this is a translation of sikhi to the max., a simple word for word traslation gives you Guru Shiva, Guru Vishnnu, etc, but the antreev katha in panjabi of this by Giani Thakur Singh and others, is that this line is replying to the Sidhs , and Guru Nanak Says that my Guru is the Guru of Shiv, Guru of Vishnu, etc. When you chose this as your signature, did you research it, or did you listen to any katha by any knowledgeable persons as to what this line means? or did you copy and paste it just cos it (in your mind) reinforced what you thought?

harjas kaur ji,im getting the feeling that you place emphasis of viakarn arth of gurbani only. do you recognise the antreev arths at all? you have also great reliance on the work of others, prob sttm and their english translation of gurbani.

harjas kaur ji, for someone who cant read gurmukhi prorperly, do you think you may be over-relying on english translations, which can be wildly inaccurate?

no, you focus on attacking your guru instead.

who was the hukamnama for in russia?

you think that gurmat is "human thought"? during the moghal empire did idol worship stop?

"But to worship the image of a lady on a tiger is foolish. To worship the eternal Light behind such representations is altogether different" Laal Singh has made himslef clear on what he thinks of the above quote. i agree with him. i dont think there is any merit in it whatsoever. And i dont think that Guru Nanak thought there was any merit in it as well.

Bahi Fateh SIngh ji, where have youbeen hiding? Giani Gian Singh says in his writings, sikhs married by way of anand that was different to the hindu customs.

Harjas Kaur Ji, another question. is the devi the complete shakti of God or like 50% or something?

so tsingh, is gurmat another branh on this tree of vedanta? if what you write is true, was there any reason for Gurmat to be revealed in kalyug, as all the knowledge for mukti was already revealed for jeev way before. Did Guru Nanak Dev Ji ever talk of advait vedanta or did he copy their ideas?

I dont think that gurbani anywhere has said that God is seperate from his creation. moreso, gurbani has stated many times that the creation is within God. But where there is no creation and space only, do you think there is no God there? why does Gurbani have to be looked at thru vedantic glasses? When did vedant become a part of sikhi? Tsingh, i wished to ask you this question as well, why the nirmalas only see things with vedantic vision? and whether you can tell me if Guru Nanak did as well. khima.

good point maha singh ji. we also shouldnt have the attitude that if someone says soemthing thats fit in with what we beleive to be correct then, they are always correct and others are always incorrect. i have never said it didnt happen. i just dont beleieve that it happened the way gian singh is saying.

the fourth fromlast line of jaap Sahib.

even if giani gian singh said it, it doesnt make it true. Gianiji also said that Guru Ji took afheem. you beleoive this is true as well?

very wise words shaheediyan. i at the very old age of 35 would not be able to run halfway what Fauja Singh at the young age of 93 would. Do we have an obligation to learn shastervidya ? i think we do, upto a minimum point where we can use our ouwn kirpans to defend, and then anything after, what our lifestyle allows.

dal singh, you are going to get banned from this forum for your crime of correcting gogi bhaji!

we all know about spiritual awareness and progression. We know that the aim to to become one with Akal. But what about physical awareness and progression? What are the aims for us to be physically? ie are we to aspire to run 100 metres in under 10 secs? are we to able to lift 1 quintel of atta? to be able to wrestle good? are we to be able to wave a sword round for 1 hour? Sikhs in the olden days kept fit by shaster-vidya daily and fighting jangs. What should we be doing today? your thoughts and if you dont mind, what exercise you do yoursleves, with dedication, and whether you do these exercises to please your Guru or your vanity. khima.

you forgot the end result jattboot. even that may be brahmanised to some.