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You'll have to explain it....lol Like I said earlier, in plain english, furnish this forum with any names of Jaats who killed Sikhs in 1984, and then became Sikhs in the Kisaan Andolan. That sellouts and traitors exist in every colour, community, caste and country. What's your point? As far as I know, no. Absolutey. Those people views stars on their shoulders and stripes on their arms, as more valuable than the sons of their mother. You're not coming anywhere lol. Did you see those tiranga waving Sikhs (read Hindus) in that video? I don't they are of "my" jaat. Of course you can! I asked a very simple, cohorent question, in plain english, which you still haven't answered. Maybe then you should get them to help you answer the question then? Obviously they (and me) invited these Sikh-murdering hindu jaats into the Panth, so they can easily tell you why. I look forward to the answer. Good?? I'm amazing lol. And which govt listened to those complaints? The farmers resisted this new system, which would have made them more vulnerable. Well how did Rihanna get to know about it in the first place? Because of the thousands of farmers in Panjab and outside of Panjab, Sikh and non-Sikh, Jatt and non-Jatt alike protesting for months. Mighty rivers flow from drops of water Dal....lol Those mazhabis were overlooking any caste affiliations and working for the betterment of all farmers then, good on them.

Because people's perceptions change. Simple as that. I'm comparing how Sikhs have always been loyal to this artificial creation called india, in the face of external threats. Says so much about you that I had to make it blindingly obvious. They are welcome to bring figures and factual accounts. No Sikh denies that Hindus were wrongly targeted and killed at some times, but facts and figures are always needed. The kind that Jaswant Singh Kalra brought. Many times. Maybe your eyes and ears were shut. Every indian political office has a photo of nehru or modi, who were responsible for deaths in their thousands. And BTW it is you people who still bow and treasure those photos. We won't put up a photo of this man you claim killed 329 people if you will take the photos of those men who killed thousands and thousands. Deal ? Conflict is one thing Mr Hindustani, state terrorism and oppression is another. Hold on Mr Rapistani. It was YOU or ME that started this thread of a Sikh thanking Pakistanis for their help with Panjab's floods, and compared it with Muslims threatening Sikhs in Pakistan? Is that peaceful debate? Then when you get labelled a kdRam you start crying? Typical dindu. I have attached ram to you name because you certainly don't deserve to use the name Singh. You and your kind of people are a disgrace to the Guru and Gurmat. And get jailed for nothing? Tortured? Why ? What did Jagtar Johal do that he has been in jail for 5 years now, whilst the indian state have yet to start his case? Jagtar is in jail and what have YOU done about an innocent man in the judicial system of your country? Typical hindu bhapa mentality. You have tried to tell these "not so highly educated villager" that they are hindus for the last 75 years? have they accepted that they are hindus? Or is it just you urban bhapa sikh (read hindu) types who have folded over and accepted it? Why are you and your kind acting as pawns for the indian state? All these hindu bhape crying over the tiranga yet none of are concerned about 1 sikh being in jail for 5 years? Is that the acts of "highly educated people" or traitors? Well if you're not afraid of it, then why make threads like this in the first place? Why has you hindustan been complaing to Australian and Canadian authorities over it? And why are you afraid of Hindus in india? You side with them. You love their tiranga more than your own Nishan Sahib, You accept that you are in essence a Hindu, so why are you afraid of Hindus? Wow. Give this guy a round of applause.

It was not a majority of Sikhs who voted Congress. The Congress vote is strengthened through the urban hindu and rural SC votes. It always has been. Because Sikhs wanted to show that in the face of external threats, they did not the internal forces to be weak. Same as when Guru Gobind Singh Ji, himself an idol-breaker, asked the pahari rajas to form an alliance against the moghals, but the pahari rajas prefered to side with the moghals. Are you going to ask now why the hell did the Guru of the Sikhs do that? No and that was their main plank of failure. But it was a double sided sword. The Sikh leadership thought they could rely on the words on the next PM of India. Yes and the Sikhs found that out very quickly when Master Tara Singh was arrested for treason in 1949, and jailed. But in India even written things can be baseless. Like your PM Manmohan lying to the UN Human Rights Commission that no torture or extrajudicial killings were happening in Panjab. The same subject that Jaswant Singh Khalra talked about in his video. Today being the day in 1995 that he paid for with his life. And you making up excuses to shift the blame to Sikhs and absolve your country and govt of any wrong doing. And you don't feel no shame about it either. So the question is why the Hindus took that level of trust and betrayed it. They knew our weak position and our reliance on them and they purposely backstabbed the Sikhs. And you get upset and cry over Sikhs burning their flag. Is that all you have to say Mr genocide apologist? some 30,000 Sikhs killed in false encounters. Thousands more unaccounted for. Your state giving those killers stars on their shoulders and stripes on their arms? And you beaming with pride at your countrys flag? Why are you so invested in it then? Why is your country so fearful and vindictive over it? The referendum is as phoney as the flag you love. Pendu's ? It was these same people who bore the brunt of torture and state murder. They have the same rights to freedom as all human rights do. Why would you want to deny them those human rights? You sound just like a moghal would. Or a nazi. Who cares if the PM of Khalistan would be practising or not. The issue is not of whether they practice or not. The issue is of freedom. Something you need to do with your own mind. Free yourself from that tiranga. Darbara Singh claimed to be a practising Sikh, but under his rule, torture was rife in Panjab. Modi could claim to be a practicing Hindu, but I can't Lord Ram Chander or Lord Shiva supporting his actions against minorities. And there you go. Your blindness and hatred means you see all Khalistanis as hot-headed. Says so much about you. You're no different from those snakes in delhi really. And whats wrong with that? Well AAP was given a chance in Panjab and they started well, but faltered very quickly. And thats why Khalistan Party won the Sangrur elections.

Maan has been CM for a year and half now. It's very apparent he is no different from the previous CMs in terms of running or improving a state, and reducing or removing corruption. He is also not no different from previous CMs when it comes to basic human rights.

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kdram80 - do you know what happened today in Sikh history? It was this day in 1995 that Jaswant Singh Khalra was abducted and disappeared because of your beloved india. You talk about "mercilessly slaughtered Sikhs in 1947" but strangely never talk about mercilessly slaughtered Sikhs in the 1980s/90s. Why ? Watch this video to see the actions of your beloved india if you have the courage to do so.

Well...the thing is mr hindustani...Sikhs dreamt of brotherhood with India and its Hindu majority. And look how that turned out. You aren't even a Sikh in India. You're a hindu. And you were labelled a HIndu in 1949 when the constitution was written. But before you were labelled a Hindu, when you still had your identity as a Sikh, you were labelled a "Juraim Pesha" - a criminal. So are you one or the other? Or both? The Muslims offered, promised and guaranteed the Sikhs nothing. The Hindu led Indian government offered, promised and guaranteed everything to the Sikhs and yet delivered nothing. So who is more trustworthy? The snake that did and said nothing, or the snake that did and then bit you? Why do you feel the need to keep running to muslim conduct during 1947 as some kind of deflection for what the indian govt has done since 1947? I don't agree with flag burning myself. I think we should be more classier and smarter than that. Even though your flag, the flag that you are so proud of, has caused untold misery to the Sikhs, it should still be respected. But PEOPLE like you, can never be respected. Your whole talk, your demeanour is hindutva. Your loyalty is to the savage tiranga rather than the Nishan Sahib. You want Khalistani Sikhs to think about Sikhs living in the rest of India. Since when has that concerned you? You have a widows colony in your midst. You don't live far from a historical Gurdwara that is now a Mandir because of 1984, yet you want US to think about Sikhs living in the rest of India?

Rough day eh Dal? ......lol. Sounds like you have been trying really hard with those rural desis today. It's called calling a spade a spade......lol Yes I asked "Well obviously you know more than us on this subject. Let's hear the names of those jaats who murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84 who then became Sikhs in 2020/21...." but you didn't answer. Was the above repeat of your same question, just to buy yourself some time? I'm patient. Let's hear those names when you have it. Ok, if it makes you happy....my caste is more important to me than Sikh dharam ever has been....lol NOW? I've always been here. And yes, I am really good at Black Ops lol. Now you have been on the ball so to speak for the last few years, it won't be hard for you to furnish this forum with the names of "The same lot who had murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84. "

Not only Oxford but this particular paper was written by the Chair of Sikh Studies at Wolverhampton University - none other than Opinderjit Takkar. There's a reason. Obviously she does not care about kes and such, so tries to justify it with "Guru Granth Sahib doesn't say anything about kes etc" What are these people going to do for the future of the Panth. I'm worried.

Is that what you saw? Only Jatts? The Kisaan Andolan had that name for a particular reason - it represented all farmers. It's very feeble thinking that you should portray it with a twist, and you fall in the same group of Kangana Ranauts who called it a Khalistan movement. I think that says more about you yourself? That your mind is just as feeble as theirs? There is and was a working system in India for food sourcing and procurement. The same system that is been in place for centuries. But under the new system, that would all be open to abuse and exploitation. Given that the new system was created by, and it's implementation oversaw by Modi's financial strongmen, who do you think would have come off worse? Well why would they have a problem? Those handfull of jaats who became Sikhs did so, after witnessing the Sikhs standing up for their rights, and a greater exposure to Gurmat during the Andolan. Well obviously you know more than us on this subject. Let's hear the names of those jaats who murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84 who then became Sikhs in 2020/21. Because these peasants and jaats were combined in a united mission against a greater threat. Have you learned zero about strategy during conflict from your studies of Sri Gur Panth Parkash..........lol? Great. And you've won the debate. What are YOU like is what should be discussed I think? You've been saying this for something like 10 years, but just like they don't seem to change... What would you have liked to have seen during the whole "jut pocket bachao morcha"? They aren't the only ones then. But they did stand up and make a change when it was most crucial. That's always the case for the wolf climbing the hill. It was the case during the times of the Gurus, and the Dal Panth. Its the same now. And it's not restricted to India either.

I have been listening to katha of Sri Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin and most certainly recommend it to members on this forum. SGGS Academy have done a great job of katha for this granth, and I have also come across this granth also which is beleived to be from Guru Gobind Singh's kavi darbar: "Prem Ambodh Granth"

If anybody is interested this is a link to the katha to our group effort on translation of these passages:

What do you think is being said in the paragraph ?

What's stupid about thanking others who are helping thousands and thousands of people in flood stricken Panjab? The Pakistanis opened their floodgates to reduce the water level on our side of Panjab, flooding their own land in and around Kasur. What is wrong with that in your eyes? People who saw partition now have one last chance, a chance to the homes, villages, lands and towns that they grew up before they depart to the next world. What exactly is wrong with allowing that to happen?

I think it might be the other way round. These types of Sikhs insist on being called Sikhs, but have no qualms in being labelled as part of the wider Hindu religion. I would add pity to that. I pity these guys who have this urbanite kind of mentality. They bore the brunt of the genocide in Delhi 1984, they have a Widows Colony in their midst, they walk past the Red Fort every day, which has reneged on promises to Sikhs causing all these problems, and yet they pride on calling themselves "Indians." I have heard this reasoning from a lot of Sikhs. But what the point of being economical successful, when the state can kill some 30,000 of your people in false police encounters, and do with no fear of national or international law? The Jews were very afluent in Germany yet were begging to save themselves from starvation due to the government they lived under.

Brothers and sisters, it's been a long time since I last visited. I think I must be the worst active participant on this forum lol. I am posting an excerpt from a book I have been reading and would like your views on the paragraph please. I wont share the book title or author yet though. Thanks!

Thousands of Sikhs killed in Delhi, and majority of killers are still evading justice, yet our Sikh brothers in Delhi...

Was reading this book and saw this paragraph that I'd like to share with everyone. It's is middle paragraph.

It starts by: "ik oankaar satguru prasad | Prichha (Questions/Test?) Patshahi Daswin Sri Akal Purkh ji sahai | Das wari Waheguru japna | Ar pasa dhalna | Jo bachan aawe so sati kar manna | Vasrev vasrev Chaupai | Arthi jo tu chitwat he man mahi | I'll look at the rest later. Any idea of the title of this granth?

Thanks for informing us. I have noticed that there is a twitter tidal wave of indian vitriol against the Sikh people as a whole. I would have to re-read the books of Hari Ram Gupta as I cannot recall these details. It's been a long time since I read them. But the post itself is a way of our Maratha brothers making themselves feel better because ultimately they were a failure. They had massive armies, outnumbering Sikhs at least threefold. They had superior weapons to the Sikhs, as they began using artillery way before the Sikhs did, as Sikhs were still fighting mainly as cavalry. What did the Maratha army acheive in the long term? They never managed to hold onto their own stronghold of Maharashtra. And whats amusing is, that these Maratha supremacists revel in their fights against the Sikhs, of which they won some, but also lost some. Why fight Sikhs who essentially were sons of the soil? This only strengthened the outsider powers. What exactly did they achieve against the British or the Afghans? I'll see if I can look up some info about this over the weekend.

WJKK WJKF to all! Its been a long time since I visited or commented, as I rarely have anything new to comment lol. But I found this katha of Sri Gur Bilas Patshahi Chhevin on Soundcloud: https://on.soundcloud.com/dSKJP I've listened to the first part so far, and its really good.

no way!

I hear you bro. Since lockdown last year, work commitments have kept me super duper busy that I don't even have the time or strength for reading anymore nevermind writing on forums. Welcome to life lol.

No way! Teji Malik is Ripudaman Singh's brother? I would never have guessed that.

Who would go back to india seeing the total lack of help shown to one of their citizens?