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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Guru Gobind Singh Ji's letter to the Khan brothers   
    This is what the faded writing looks like to me.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in How Watching TV can affect us   
    Many moons ago i heard this rap song.It was so true then and now. In the early 90s most indians in the UK would still be hiring indian films from their local shop to watch at home. Most families would do this on the weekends. But now there are so many channels to watch and so many programmes to choose from. It's very hard to miss even ONE part of a serial. I was the same. Used to hate missing "Neighbours".
     
    Anyways here is the video:
     
     
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    chatanga1 reacted to dalsingh101 in Guru Gobind Singh Ji's letter to the Khan brothers   
    Here's a first stab at what I could readily identify:
     
     
     
    ........ਦੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਹੈ ਭਾਈ ਕਲਿਆਣਾ ਰਾਇ ਸਰਬਤ 
    ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਾਛੀਵਾੜੇ ਕੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਖੈ ਗਾ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਹੈ ਇਕੁ
    ...........ਹੁਕਮੁ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ ਦੇਖਦੇ ਸਿਤਾਬੀ ਹਜੂਰ ਭੇ......
    ...ਵੈ ਗੋਲਕ ਦਸਵੰਧ ਮੰਨ ਤਮੋ ਹਜੂਰ
    ਆਪ ਲੈ ਆਵਣਾ ਮਸੰਧਾ ਨੋ ਮੰਨਣਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਕੀ
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in Guru Gobind Singh Ji's letter to the Khan brothers   
    We could translate some words and  line or two as is but would need a much better pic to get the whole text.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    Excellent work there Dal. It's very interesting to see that there were similiar works in Persian literature.
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    chatanga1 reacted to dalsingh101 in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    Sikh and yee shall find...hehehhee
     
    https://archive.org/details/bahardanushorga02llgoog
    https://archive.org/details/bahardanushorga00llgoog
    https://archive.org/details/bahardanushorga01llgoog
     
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    chatanga1 reacted to dalsingh101 in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    This Bahar-danesh was a contemporary work to Dasam pita by the looks of it.  
    From wiki:
    Shaikh Inayat-Allah Kamboh (1608–1671) was a scholar, writer and historian. He was son of Mir Abdu-lla, Mushkin Kalam, whose title shows him to also have been a fine writer.[1][2] Shaikh Inayat-Allah Kamboh was elder brother and teacher of Muhammad Saleh Kamboh Salafi, the famous historian of Shah Jahan's court and teacher of Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb.[3][2][4] He died in 1671 AD at Delhi,[5] and his Maqbara is located in Guband Kambohan wala on Empress Road near Railways Headquarters, Lahore.
    Inayat-Allah Kamboh spent his early life in the military service of the Mughals and was a "Mir Munshi" (Inspector General) of Shah Jahan and held a mansab of 800 horses. But he after a period of service, he retired from the world and lived besides the sacred shrine of Qutb-ud-Din Bakhtiyar Kaki at Delhi.[2] Like his brother Muhammad Saleh, Inayat-Allah is also stated to be an accomplished Hindi singer.[2][6]
    Inayat-Allah Kamboh wrote several historical works. He is most famous for his collection of tales entitled Bahar-i-Danish (Springtime of Knowledge), completed in 1651 AD, which became one of the most popular textbooks of Persian. Historian Muhammad Saleh Kamboh, younger brother of Inayat-Allah Kamboh, praised Bahar-i-Danish as a model of sophisticated workmanship.[7] It became part of the syllabuses of Persian schools and is mentioned in a manuscript-copy of Khulasatul Makatib, written in 1688. From its popular use in Persian schools, educated men and women, both Muslims and Hindus, were commonly acquainted with it in Mughal India. During British rule too, according to education reports, it was taught in nearly all schools and its style and idiom were regarded as the best models of composition (Reid 1852: 54).[8]
    His another important work of Kamboh is the Takmilah-yi-Akbar-Namah which is a continuation of Abu-al-Fazl’s Akbar-Namah and narrates the last four years of emperor Akbar’s reign. He also wrote two more books known as Dalkasha and Asharaf-al-Sarayaf.
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    chatanga1 reacted to dalsingh101 in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    There are extant manuscripts of this work on sale on ebay:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Islamic-Persian-Manuscript-Bahar-i-Danish-by-Enayat-Allah-Kamboh-1275-AH-/272471639890
    The Bahar-i Danish (Spring of Knowledge) was a Persian collection of romantic tales adapted from earlier Indian sources by Inayat Allah Kamboh of Lahore in 1061 A.H./1651.[1]
    The book was partially translated into English by Alexander Dow in 1768 or 1769, and Jonathan Scott translated it completely in 1799. The Persian text was also lithographed several times in the 19th century.[1]
    One of the tales in the Bahar-i Danish provided Thomas Moore with the plot of his 1817 verse-novel Lalla-Rookh.[2]
    No early illustrated copy of the manuscript has survived, though a pair of 18th-century illustrated manuscripts, from the collections of the Duke of Northumberland and that of Richard Johnson, may reflect 17th-century illustrative traditions.[3]
     

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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Guru Gobind Singh Ji's letter to the Khan brothers   
    We could translate some words and  line or two as is but would need a much better pic to get the whole text.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=M003KRjCipYC&pg=PA304&lpg=PA304&dq=bahardanesh+meaning+in+persian&source=bl&ots=y4RscGzkLF&sig=DqUMqnli6m-XJK71MGezwgzcgkA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjpicOFmMDcAhVGKVAKHb3MAHUQ6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=bahardanesh meaning in persian&f=false
     
    It means sea of knowledge but I'm not sure if its the same as it talksabout it being useful for learning farsi to high level.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    Never heard of it. If its persian/farsi as it sounds, "Bahar" means Spring (season) and "Danish" means knowledge/education.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=M003KRjCipYC&pg=PA304&lpg=PA304&dq=bahardanesh+meaning+in+persian&source=bl&ots=y4RscGzkLF&sig=DqUMqnli6m-XJK71MGezwgzcgkA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjpicOFmMDcAhVGKVAKHb3MAHUQ6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=bahardanesh meaning in persian&f=false
     
    It means sea of knowledge but I'm not sure if its the same as it talksabout it being useful for learning farsi to high level.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    Never heard of it. If its persian/farsi as it sounds, "Bahar" means Spring (season) and "Danish" means knowledge/education.
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    chatanga1 reacted to dalsingh101 in Shabads to increase intelligence   
    You can start by widening your reading repertoire. Intelligence doesn't come like some magic power - you can help it develop by reflecting, reading, keeping intelligent company.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in Islamic dawa?   
    ​whether you see it as not is up to you. In Panjabi/Sanskrit culture the mother is seen as "Rabb da roop". We have the terms maa, maa-boli, and maa-dharti in our culture .
     
    Gyani Kartar Singh Klass walia has also written a verse in his famous "Dashmesh prakash" about how 10th Guru refrained from war on the orders of his mother.
     
    Sikhkhoj don't ask me for a reference.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #48   
    I can ask him
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #48   
    Great stuff there bro. I think that with those lines that don't make it clear we need to try what you have above and explore different approaches.  I will try and locate Gyani Harbhajan Singhs katha on it. The only thing with finding his katha on it is that he has recorded several charitars in one sitting so it makes it a little more harder to find.
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    chatanga1 reacted to paapiman in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #48   
    Four interpretations are possible based on different Paaths and the meanings of the two words below. 
    ਠਾਂਢ  - Cold
    ਠਾਢ - Stand
    ਨੂਰ ਜਹਾਂਦਿਕ ਠਾਢਨ ਪਈ ॥
    Noor Jahan just kept standing.
    ਨੂਰ ਜਹਾਂਦਿਕ ਠਾਢ ਨ ਪਈ ॥
    Noor Jahan could not stand still there.
    ਨੂਰ ਜਹਾਂਦਿਕ ਠਾਂਢਨ ਪਈ ॥
    Noor Jahan became frozen.
    ਨੂਰ ਜਹਾਂਦਿਕ ਠਾਂਢ ਨ ਪਈ ॥
    Noor Jahan could not maintain her cool (composure).
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    chatanga1 reacted to paapiman in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    Why are people scared of the Charitars? Amazing reply by Gyani Kulwant Singh jee
     
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    chatanga1 reacted to paapiman in Background to Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee   
    Charitar# 2 (Translation by Gyani Ishar Singh jee)
     

     

     

     

     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in Guru Gobind Singh Ji's letter to the Khan brothers   
    GHANI KHAN and his brother Nabi Khan, Pathan horse dealers of Machhivara in present day Ludhiana district of the Punjab, were admirers of Guru Gobind Singh whom they had visited at Anandpur and to whom they had sold many good animals. When they learnt that, travelling in a lonely state after the battle of Chamkaur (1705), the Guru had come to Machhivara, they at once turned out to meet him and offered their services. They provided him with a blue coloured dress and carried him out of Machhivara in a palanquin disguised as a Muslim divine. They declared him to be Uchch da Pir, the holy man of Uchch, an old seat of Muslim saints in south-west Punjab.
    They escorted him thus up to Hehrari, a village near Raikot in Ludhiana district, where a group of Sikhs relieved them. The Guru dismissed Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan with his blessings and a hukamnama meant to be a letter of commendation which was reverently preserved by their descendants. The family migrated to Pakistan in 1947. Their house in Machhivara is now a gurudwara known as Gurdwara Uchch da Pir.
    References : Sikh Encylopaedia
    1. Kuir Singh, Gurbilas Patshahi 10. Patiala, 1968
    2. Padam, Piara Singh, and Giani Garja Singh, eds. Guru klan Sakhian. Patiala, 1986
    3. Macauliffe, Max Arthur, The. Sikh Religion. Oxford, 1909

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    Zahoor Ahmed Khan, the descendant of Ghani Khan and Nabhi Khan who once assisted Guru Gobind Singh Ji in escaping the Mughal forces, here shows a hukamnana bestowed upon his ancestors by Guru Sahib Ji.
     

     
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Guru Gobind Singh Ji's letter to the Khan brothers   
    GHANI KHAN and his brother Nabi Khan, Pathan horse dealers of Machhivara in present day Ludhiana district of the Punjab, were admirers of Guru Gobind Singh whom they had visited at Anandpur and to whom they had sold many good animals. When they learnt that, travelling in a lonely state after the battle of Chamkaur (1705), the Guru had come to Machhivara, they at once turned out to meet him and offered their services. They provided him with a blue coloured dress and carried him out of Machhivara in a palanquin disguised as a Muslim divine. They declared him to be Uchch da Pir, the holy man of Uchch, an old seat of Muslim saints in south-west Punjab.
    They escorted him thus up to Hehrari, a village near Raikot in Ludhiana district, where a group of Sikhs relieved them. The Guru dismissed Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan with his blessings and a hukamnama meant to be a letter of commendation which was reverently preserved by their descendants. The family migrated to Pakistan in 1947. Their house in Machhivara is now a gurudwara known as Gurdwara Uchch da Pir.
    References : Sikh Encylopaedia
    1. Kuir Singh, Gurbilas Patshahi 10. Patiala, 1968
    2. Padam, Piara Singh, and Giani Garja Singh, eds. Guru klan Sakhian. Patiala, 1986
    3. Macauliffe, Max Arthur, The. Sikh Religion. Oxford, 1909

    Below:
    Zahoor Ahmed Khan, the descendant of Ghani Khan and Nabhi Khan who once assisted Guru Gobind Singh Ji in escaping the Mughal forces, here shows a hukamnana bestowed upon his ancestors by Guru Sahib Ji.
     

     
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #30   
    One thing I noticed in the Charitar and thereon, is the absence of the son being produced from jail in the morning and then returned after. Has the son been freed at this point but the King is enjoying listening to and learning from the Charitars that he has asked to Minister to tell stories about all the charitars he knows?
     
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