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I dont think theres any contradictions..........just giving my two cents worths, (well since im Angrejji, my two pence worth!!) I dont believe God is "interested" in His own Name being worshipped, as such...........man is born, ultimatly through Sin, karam, avgun etc etc, God gives us a way out..........to repeat His Name, remember to to Big Himself up, so to speak but to save our sorry a$$'s from the mess we created ourselves....... We do naam simeran, nitnem try to connect to God, untimatly simply to erase the filth of our own egos........God does "get" anything from this, like we do...........be he is Perfect, Complete...........but we untimatly need saving from ourselves, the self that is staring and fascinated by the painting without thinking of the painter who created it..... Now with regards to Guru Nanak revealing Naam, well..........he had to...........when u sit down and say waheguru waheguru waheguru, what are you doing? u are calling God...........why u call God, is each persons own journey, and that is another topicall together........ask and ye shall recieve and all that...........and Guru Nanak basically not only gave the Naam........he clarified what we should be doing with it and what we should strive to realise.............Vin Tud Hoor Jeh Mangana, sir dukha teh dukh................the beauty of sikhi is its simplicity............. so after all my ramblings above........basically, we need God alot more than he needs us! lol.........and without contemplating him.........we cannot get to him............. :wink:

Ta Pahji!!

waheguru....... :cry:

the links dont seem to work.........could someone please upload the files plz? Ta!

i second that, would love to hear these recordings!!

Innocence....sometimes is lost in gyaan...........i remember before i took amrit.........having a thirst..........for something........would keep me awake at night.............would leave sitting at a rainsbhai for 7-8 hours at a stretch........not wanting to leave Mahraj's charan.........i never thought about anything in this state..........there was this feeling of longing...........and no matter how much you try and ignore it, turn away from it, break free from it............it is there...........tearing away a this false self we have created.............it is so easy to fall into the world..........the what the world was made for........the moment we waver the world catches us and ensnares us.............this may sound strange but sometimes i miss the innocence i had before amrit.........now i rationalise, calculate and question.........whereas before i would simply be............. There rare moments i may fall back into such ectasy is with sadh sangat......kirtan............bani...........simeran..............these are like the catalyst the soul needs to connect the this hollow outer shell......to awaken the other vessel to see through the eyes of the soul........look for any method that stirs the soul............that tugs at ur inner core........and once your there..............well................just sit back and enjoy the ride..........

A prayer can be an unconsious act of Realisation...........

Waheguru....... Having being chilling here for the best part of a week or so, i have come accross some amazing threads, the open-mindedness, knowledge and depth that i have experienced has totally blown me away............. So i guess i just wanted to say thank you........for clearing some the mist to make the journey forward more bareable............ waheguru.........

Waheguru jio One of my friends did a course in aura balancing, i was lucky enough to be one of his case studies for this.....It was a totally amazing experience.......the balance of the chakras raly helped when doing simeran and just general day emotional and spiritual balance..........It was discovered that i was finding it difficult to remain balace and this guy could guide my lower and base chakras to alignment, while standing over four feet away from me, yet i could feel something pulling at my feet..........was totally mind blowing............ I would definatly recommend having these kind of treatments done, theres things out there like Past Life regression, Emotion Freedon Techniques that real help the soul and inner self to heal explore the inner layers of our beings....................i found if you cannot find acceptance and peace within...........your spiritual journey cennot realy begin..............

Sometimes I am lost, Sometimes i am found, Sometimes I am within but most of the time without, Sometimes there is a ache, at the center of my very being, Sometimes this ache is all consuming, sometimes there is nothing But Everytime there is He, who stands and watches, arms outsteched My journey is beginning..............The world will have to wait.....

waheguru.............a seriously amazing thread man...........ive never been able to make sense of understanding spiritual experiences but now i have a better understanding..........thank you jio for sharing such insightful information

waheguru............

cheerz earz!

wo that was an amazing read............erm im from the JU-KAy any ideas on where i may purchase this series from? i tried that link on the first page but i could not locate the book........... thanks for the great sewa

lol interesting topic...........again just my two cents................everything has to come from the heart............to wear a dastaar and not know its value is no different to waering a hat............Maharaj taught me to die dastaar before anything so i have no experience of tying a patka........and when i did...........my soul didnt feel right.........but when i tied my dastaar.....waheguru..........i truly felt like Guru Gobind Singh's Ji's daughter..............but i know many amritdharis bibis pahji who wear patkeh simply because.........thats what feels right for them...........untimatly ones persons truth will not be the same as any others...............everyone has thier values, ideas and beliefs on their appearence...........for now.......just go with what feels right for you....... I say this becasue many people wear dastaar to show off and dont bask in the necter of why Guru Ji gave us a crown....................and people wear patkeh simple because they dont want to stand out and draw attention to themselves...................when searching for what truly makes u ahppy..........dont follow what the world wants for you...........but what your soul is crying out for.............

Yes......erm.....thanks for the valuable insight there....:roll:......if i ever get the chance to do so, i certainly will :| lol i think again its those kind of comments that prompted me to ask my question............nihangs want their own "little bit" other sampardeh want the seclusion of their own sect but how is that helping build pyaar and love amongst the sikh dharam? and has this seclusion lead to tensions amongst these sects and unconciously caused more segregation that unity ultimatly leading these subtile differences to grow even furthur? I may be reading too much into this but...........I would just like a better understanding....

i wasnt aware i was debating anything........i made and suggestion and i posed the question in regards to the suggestion.............as my knowledge is limited on this subject..........i wish i could provide theological differences................but i know of none..........all i have is a doubt......which i would like to clear up............and im still asking my question which is yet to be awsered............

That was probably the basis of my question.........i think i make a fair argument that sampardas........while when in their infancy.................were a piece to the whole sikhi jigsaw...................and all same the common vision of equality.......love..........and making Waheguru the prime focus of ones jeevan........with each sampardas having its own "speciality"...if that is the correct term............but its that realy WHAT samardeh are doing now?...........can we honestly same that they are practising what they were intended to preach?

Hey i here theres i big demand for that now!! Way to wave the british flag my friend!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!! hehe well im 24, from West Midlands, Ju-Kay! I love God, His people, and reading..........Im a tekkie in a educational establishment but i dont actually do any work hence i spend most of my day listening to kirtan and doss on the Internet!! I gotta say love this place......ive realy been blown away by some of the stuff i've read......realy shuck the soul.,,,,....im on Sikh sangat alot but nowadays the quality has realy gone down............but there some realy amazing people still there! Take it easy! Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Waheguru Jio I know this post was over 6 months ago but any chance on still having any larivaar panj granthi pothiah? I need one for santheya class but having a hard time getting a hold on one........... Waheguru

Shaheediyan thats simply amazing........its amazing how the role of the caregiver and the person needing care can often which roles..........i find i get so much from these souls...............theres is nothing i have that could give them as much joy as they give me........... They are so hungry for love, kindness, warmth, affection......they express love without inhabition, worry or consious................it just shines from them.............my apologies if im not making sense................thats when souls connect and words are nothing.......... (Willenhall gurdwara, which is hopefully not too far from any of the Walsall gurdwareh, has a darbaar downstairs which would be much either if that pahji and his father wish to has Guru Ji's Darshaan............ Im shocked to hear about the Gurghar not letting them in but sadly not overly surprised either.........the lack of empathy does truly astound me..........the Indian mentality of total denial is something that will possibly change with todays generation but...........unfortunatly many of yesterdays generation narrow-mindedness and a society that lives and breaths for acceptance from these people is truly shameful...........but hey...........lets makes these changes in ourselves and spred them to others...............Where the is Love............there is everything......

I simply love this article..........enjoy.......

Enjoy.....

erm........hows come u cant see the pdf file to download...............did i do summat wrong? :|