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Like I said KGM (through his very insulting and aggressive post against all present day Nihangs) had apportioned blame to Nihangs and included Niddar Singh via quoting the website, I never stated he quoted direct responsibility of bluestar on Nihangs. And why start putting blame and scapegoating Nihangs, when we should be in unity as a Panth be directing our energies towards highlighting the Indian government and Punjab police for the atrocities during and after 1984. Fighting and arguing between ourselves and apportioning blame within Sikhi is a very weak and immature attitude, leaving us wide open to self destruction.

A direct quote of khalistanigunman on SS, posted 28/8/11 re Shaster vidya website thread, "... Niddar and most of his supporters insult Santji whenever he is mentioned and insult the Kharkoos even more...Their website as earlier mentioned even calls Khalistanis fanatic terrorists...so much for your respect !!....Its funny isnt it...Its the Kharkoos who fought for the return of the Sikh Raaj...the same people these Nangs call 'fake' Khalsa...While these Neo Nangs...sit on their a** pretending to be legitimate Nihang singhs..pretending to be warriors preparing for War by drinking Shaheedi Degh.....well let me drum this into you....none of the Nangs of this generatioin will see a battlefield lol...and even if you did...you would be slaughtered....stop living in a fantasy world!...you lost your role as a Ladli Fauj in 1984!!..When you abandoned the Kaum in their time of need....it will take decades or even more before you are forgiven for this betrayal!!...the blood of our Kharkoo Shaheeds is also on your hands!!....the Nangs moan why the present Nihangs have such a bad reputation amongst the Sikh Nation...they say they are misunderstood...Your not!!...your present situation is well deserved!....I HAVE HUGE RESPECT FOR PURAATAN NIHANG SINGHS AND NIHANG MARYADA...BUT I HAVE NO RESPECT ..FOR TODAYS NEO NANGS !!! YOUR A JOKE TO THE REAL NIHANG SINGHS (WHO ARE RARE AND FEW IN NUMBERS ATM)" Stating that the "blood of our kharkoo Shaheeds is also on your hands!!" is clearly a serious and dangerous accusation, and it can be seen that this accusation is being targeted at Nihangs and Niddar Singhs website .

The only reason SS closed the thread was that the extreme views,especially of khalistangunman were so ludicrous they had to before the Sangat got to see the real intolerant,narrow- minded,fanatical, and hatred filled face of these individuals. Blaming Nihang Singhs and Niddar Singh of the attack on Darbar Sahib 84, is the new low these people are prepared to stoop. The only blame of this attack was the Indian government, but these people wish to use their energies in causing conflict within Sikhi. The reason khalistingunman's friend probably left Sikhi was probably his sangat of extremist views and hatred filled intolerance.

Thanks already did that(no reply as yet). I was opening the question to the sangat to give their interpretation of what their thoughts maybe.

Great site, may Wahiguru bless you in continuing this great seva. Just a quick question re the Devi Pargat recording by Baba Inderjit on the site part1 about 41mins Gyani Baba ji is speaking of Dulo dai Shakti and Her request to var(marry) Nirankar only, Nirankar Akal Purukh ji saying they will fulfill this request in Kalyug(Guru Gobind Singh Mahraj) and marry Mata Sahib ji.Confused re this Shakti and the katha of Ad Shakti as Wahiguru Manifest as Mother who is spesking to Dashmesh Pita as Son.Please help by clarifying this doubt or confusion.

Thanks tSingh, Kam, very informative answers to clear doubts.

Sorry for my ignorance but what do you mean by Nirgunvaad as particular to Sikhism?

PJS Veerji Your time,effort,sharda in contributing this beautiful seva for the sangat is truly chardi kala, May AkalPurakh Wahiguru continue to bless you with increased prem and humility.

I was mainly trying to establish the Gurmat siddhant of advait as compared to adiShankharji, rather than debate the validity of the teaching.

What are the main differences between the Advait teachings of Sikhism as compared to AdiShankar Vedanta?

Dear Balbir ji WJKK WJKF I never claimed to be a Brahmgyani, i am just a humble Sikh of the Guru Maharaj trying to follow the marg of Guru Granth Sahib ji. The so called prechers are reputable Gursikhs teaching the Message of Guru Nanak ji, in a direct samprada lineage. Most of the topics discussed ie Wahiguru mantar, Khande Bhatte Da Amrit are verifiable teachings of Sikhi passed down through samprada lineage, from the Guru Maharaj, and as such would not neccessarily be included in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The Shabads recorded by Guru Arjun Dev ji (penned by Bhai Gurdas ji) are the Bani uttered by the Guru's, and so are Naam, and Living. If you believe the Gurmantar is different to Wahiguru, and that the 5 pyare are not the representatives and phsical embodiment of Dasmesh Pita, then please state what you believe to be gurmantar and please rewrite history with references as most reading these posts are intelligent to make their own conclusions. Also it may be helpful if you were direct and clear in your replies.

Dear Balbir ji WJKK WJKF, Following your replies, i think the cyber sangat can now be clear of YOUR views on Sikhi. 1. You disregard Gurmantar Wahiguru. 2. You disregard Khande Bhatte Da Amrit, as founded by Dashmesh Pitta. 3.You disregard respected Gursikhs of Sikh history. 4. You disregard Sant Mahpurush and Brahmgyani of past and present who hold all of the above teachings as valid. 5.You disregard all puratan samprada such as Budha Dal, Damdami Taksal,Nirmala, Hoti Mardan, Nanaksar, and call them preachers doing "dhandaa". 6. You hold all the above to be teaching from sources other than the Guru Granth Sahib ji, and disregard historical valid sikh texts. All of the above are summary of your replies to the questions asked, your true intentions have been disclosed. You are free like any other human being, to follow your own beliefs, but please do not try to distort the Guru Mahraj's pavittar Teachings. Please follow your Sadhu by all means, and let Sikhs follow Living Guru Maharaj Shabad Swaroop, Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the physical emdodiment the Guru Panth 5 Pyare .

Dear Balbir ji Wjkk WJKF In reply you said- 1. [Firstly preachers deviated the seekers away from the reverend Gurus by injecting the teachings of Bhai Gurdaas Jee. Then the way was made clear for other writers and preachers to do dhandhaa (business) with the religion. The Gurus could add Bhai Gurdaas Jee's poems in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. But they did not do so. The reason is simple. Vaars and Kabit of Bhai Gurdaas Jee have many different views from the true Gurus.] You obviously express your total disregard for valid historical facts, accepted by majority of Sikhs and institutions such as Damdami Taksal, Budha Dal, Sgpc, Nirmala amongst many regarding Bhai Gurdas ji. I believe the onus is on you to supply evidence to support your personal views, as you claim to rewrite history, and accuse the above mentioned gyanis as doing "dhanda". 2. [Please correct it. There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Gur Sabad. Meeting and recognizing of Brahmgyaanee Gur Sikhs takes place after the wisdom of Gur Sabad is transferred.] Following Guru Mahraj IS following Gur Shabad.As Mahraj says "Bani Guru Guru hai Bani". Brahmgyani helps in explaing the profound and beautifull Shabad. 3. [Quote "Funny i didn't know Khande Bhatte Da Amrit was an imaginary event.What do you mean? Doing Naam Jaaap simran." Gurus do not read a book and imagine it is Naam Jaap Simran. Please name any other activity also.] Please answer the question asked regarding YOUR views regarding Khande Bhatte Da Amrit directly! You asked for ONE Example,was done so your argument collapses. 4.[Yes, it is a secret till one receives the Prasaad of this Wisdom.] Who exactley reveals this secret mantar This Prasaad is the Sadhu you follow?

Dear Balbir ji WJKK EJKF In response to your message- --------------------------------------------------------- 1 [This is exactly what sick preacher folk are doing. On the name of Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee they are practicing and following others. Is it so difficult to say that you are following Bhai Gurdaas Jee who is not the Guru of Sikhs?] -------------------------------------------------------- Bhai Gurdas ji was a respected Gursikh and Brahmgyani, his invaluable commentary on sikhi siddant has been mentioned as a key to understanding the Gurus Marg.There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Brahmgyani Gursikhs. ------------------------------------------------------------ 2 [Get awakened and please come out of your imaginary world. With God's Will and Grace preachers are giving training of mere rituals. Please write one activity they are doing as a Sikh and let all know where the reverend Gurus have mentioned it. I will be grateful.] ------------------------------------------------------------------ Funny i didn't know Khande Bhatte Da Amrit was an imaginary event.What do you mean? Doing Naam Jaaap simran. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 "Since you started the thread introducing the role of the sadhu, i was hoping you would be answering the questions?" This is what all my Gurus are saying including Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee that also a thousand of times. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Then please enlighten us and tell us YOUR view. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 [Then please hold your Guru you are following and stage your dramas around his name, not around my Guru Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee.] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thankyou, and with the Guru Sahib Ji's beant kirpa if they so wish i will continue to cling on to the hem of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj. I pray the same for you. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 [No true Guru ever said that Vaahiguru is the Gurmantar. And you call it revealing the same truth.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you are denying all historical sources such as Bhai Gurdas ji Vaaran, rehit nama and orally tansmitted sources. Please enlighten us with your manatar or is it a secretive gupt one denying the masses, for only priveleged mortals? ---------------------------------------------------------------- 6 [better talk about what the reverend Gurus hold as Truth, not the crowd.] --------------------------------------------------------------- Trusting your OWN interpretation of the Gurus Message, negating all other reputable sources? Again please enlighten us with your views. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7 [i found all your preachers pleading against the true Gurus. Reverend Gurus never say that the wisdom of Truth is revealed by reading about it. Some lost people, as deep-rooted habit, start seeking another book about the spiritual truth.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry are you saying that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj is "another book"? 8 And Finally ----------------------------------------------- Please listen. My Gurdev Guru Naanak Jee is singing. ਪੜਿਐ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦੁ ਬੁਝਿਐ ਪਾਵਣਾ || पड़िऐ नाही भेदु बुझिऐ पावणा ॥ paRiai naahee bhedu bujhiai paavaNaa || Read not the secret resolved is receiving it. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Ji, Ang 148 ----------------------------------------------------- Should the translation actually be "NOT BY READING, BUT BY UNDERSTANDING,IS THE LORDS MYSTERY REVEALED" *****

Dear Balbir ji, WJKK WJKF In response to your reply- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1.You wrote "I agree and this is what happens when with the Guru Mahraj graces us with the gift of Khande Bhatte da Amrit, and bestows us with Gurmantar. Do you agree or are you suggesting some other mantar?" My Guru is Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is not suggesting the above ways. May I ask which Guru are you following? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- As i opened my response to you with the Gurus Salutation, i shall leave to you to figure. Secondly are you suggesting that somehow the Khande Bhatte Da Amrit blessed on Sikhs following the Guru ji's marg is false? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.Quote "If the Sadhu, Brahmgyani does not explain or impart knowledge and blessings of the Guru Mahraj's lofty and gracious teachings, pray what exactly is his role?" Are you sure you have visited a Sadhu, Brahmgyani? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since you started the thread introducing the role of the sadhu, i was hoping you would be answering the questions? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3.Quote "Why should i visit a Sadhu to know of Gurmantar when Bhai Gurdas ji explains in vaar 13 pauri 2" All is God's Grace. One follows the True Guru or somebody else. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why would one follow someone else if one has found the True Guru? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4.Quote "Also when 5 pyare Guru roop Khalsa bless me with the same Gurmantar." Are you convinced this is the same Gurmantar the true Guroos gave? Surprise. The reverend Gurus asked Bhai Gurdaas Jee to reveal Gurmantar in his writings? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dont get what you are saying here, i already quoted the vaar of Bhai Gurdas Ji, other vaars also reveal the same truth,please study. Have you any proof that what history and Sikhs hold as truth, you are questioning? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5.Quote "Please kindly explain which gurmantar or sadhu you are referring to?" The reverend Guroos are today also singing the mystery, praise and importance of them. He is not revealed by reading. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again what riddle are you setting here, please answer the question if you have discovered a different understanding.

Dear Balbir ji WJKK WJKF 1. you said to my 3 questions, Quote.[ Do you not accept that Hari Marag is told by Sri Guru Granthh Sahib Ji?" Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is the Guru because Granth Saahib Jee informs us where and how to get Gurmantu.] I agree and this is what happens when with the Guru Mahraj graces us with the gift of Khande Bhatte da Amrit, and bestows us with Gurmantar. Do you agree or are you suggesting some other mantar? 2.Quote[ "Does not the Sadhu explain in vistaar what the Guru Maharaj is conveying in His Most Gracious and Merciful Teachings of Gurbani?" The Sadhu recognizes the Grace of God ready to shower on the true Seeker. The true Sadhu is thankful being in God's Hands as His Tool. Also, he has nothing to talk what to say in vistaar.] If the Sadhu, Brahmgyani does not explain or impart knowledge and blessings of the Guru Mahraj's lofty and gracious teachings, pray what exactly is his role? 3.Quote[ "Please enlighten us and give us your perspective on what Gurmanter is?" Please visit a Sadhu and come to know it. Everything is said by the Gurus and written also confirming it in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee.] Why should i visit a Sadhu to know of Gurmantar when Bhai Gurdas ji explains in vaar 13 pauri 2, ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਜਪਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਖੋਈ। vaahiguroo guramantr hai japi haoumai khoee. वाहिगुरू गुरमंत्र है जपि हउमै खोई । His Guru-manta is Vahiguru, whose recitation erases egotism. 5 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧੩ ਪਉੜੀ ੨ ਪੰ. ੫ Also when 5 pyare Guru roop Khalsa bless me with the same Gurmantar. Please kindly explain which gurmantar or sadhu you are referring to?

Dear Balbir ji you said, Do you know what is Gurmantar? Please listen. My Guru is singing about Gurmantar. ਹਰਿ ਮਾਰਗੁ ਸਾਧੂ ਦਸਿਆ ਜਪੀਐ ਗੁਰਮੰਤੁ ॥ हरि मारगु साधू दसिआ जपीऐ गुरमंतु ॥ Har mārag sāḏẖū ḏasi▫ā japī▫ai gurmanṯ. SGGS Ang. 321 But preachers say that Hari Maarag is told by Granth Saahib Jee, therefore never visit a Saadhoo. Balbir Singh

Wah, really looking forward to the session/recordings uploads sewa, Shaheedyan veerji post soon!

I believe in times of british raaj, the Nihangs were targeted and hunted as they were vehemently opposed to the angrez billa, the nihangs would wear extra tall large dumalla to basically stick two fingers up at their enemy,and show their defiance of injustice, and status of their own independence (raaj). A testament of the bravery and courage instilled by Guru Maharaj, a sign of their pride of being a part of the beautiful and elegant Khalsa, the sons of Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj, a great privilege bestowed by our compassionate Guru King of Kings. What a shame that nowadays we feel uncomfortable or meek, we can't even wear a tiny turban or head covering in public. So the wearing of the large dastaar is shouting from the rooftops the sense of gratitude of pride, the affirmation of the Khalsa, hailing Guru Bana, the lion sons of Maharaj Guru Gobind Singh. It is a silent but powerful message to the wavering and doubting Sikhs to inherit the treasure of their GurPita and their ancestors and become Singhs of Dasmesh Pita! Gaj ke jakhare gajawe so fateh paveh SAT SRI AKAAAAAAAL !

WJKK WJKF could you briefly give us written explanation of your teachings, i.e what do you say about status/role of Guru Mahraj in both as Shabad Guru and 10 swroop, your views on soul/ atma /mind? Listening to some of your audio, you say something of jeev becoming separate or cracked from Ek, becoming half or Har being half, what do you mean by this?Also you have different views of what Naam is i.e you say Naam simran shouldn't be repeated as mala jaap, what are your views of Gur mantar?

Totally accept and never questioned the validity/status/power of Gurughar mantars, just trying to clarify the abyaas or sadhana on a nitnem basis of the Bijmantar alone, from listening to gyani Thakur Singh katha Jap ji Sahib.

WJKK WJKF Dear respected Satsangat ji, i would like to ask if we as Sikhs are solely meant to simar Gurmantar Wahiguru as Naam abyaas during the day/night or if we can simar Bij mantar IK Oankar, say during formal sitting simran/meditation, and jap Gurmantar during rest of day. I am aware of the Mulmantar being a form of Naam abyaas but i am unsure of the Bijmantar simran for practice or sadhana. Please help clarify.

Gupt ji you need understand Dasam Bani of Maharaj Guru Gobind Singh ji, and not be led by the Gur nindaks. You say, [] (It is Dasam Granth that says God has no name, then you slander us ofsaying there is no naam simran = hyprocrites? I fully believe in NAamSimran and waking up early in morning to recite Bani, as Guru says in'Gur Satgur Ka Jo Sikh Akhae, So Bhalke Uth Har Naam Dhiavey'.) Guru Mahraj is teaching that Wahiguru ji in the Nirgun Ek state is without any attributes of the created universes, as He is One without a second, Timeless, Boundless,Formless,Nirnamey (nameless) as in attributive names ,as He is the only One. He continues as Nirgun even when He is Sargun as mentioned in Sukhmani Sahib, as He is Omnipotent and beyond the limited budhi to understand . In Samsara we use His attributive names to worship and praise Him, this is His karam names as mentioned in Jaap Sahib. Jaap sahib IS Naam simran,but as you never have darshan of this bani, you are truly deluded.The only way we can meet/absorb, lose our haumai is to worship the Sargun swarup Shabad Bani in order to lose ourselves and become immersed absorbed in the Nirgun swarup Wahiguru. You seriously need to study the Bani before you slander it on the opinions of nindaks and Panth dusht.

Bhai Sahib, which Dals do these respected Baba's belong to, and will Dasam darbar ji, Sarbloh darbar ji, as well as Adi Guru Granth Sahib ji be Prakash at the ceremony.

Yes these historical texts DO state the Guru Maharaj asked for 5 heads of his sikhs (sacrifices of complete devotion to the Guru Sahib).The Blessed Five, answered the call by offering their "than, man, dhan". What Guru Maharaj did in the tambu, is the Gurus mazza, his own divine kushi as ordained by Akal Purakh. What these historical text authors are stating is what was the prevalent belief of what MAY have happened, these could be oral information handed down from direct or indirect personal experiences from the actual event. There is nothing hypocritical in this at all.