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Mission!!! long time no hear from you bro...i almost forgot about you

are you trying to imply that God is at those strip clubs??!?!

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh MY GOD!! THATS HILARIOUS!! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA I'M LAUGHING SOOOO HARD THE BEST PART IS THE "ahhh snaaaake snaaaaaaaakeee snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake it's a snaaaaaaaaaaaake"

i wish i could give you details about names of wiriters and stuff..or maybe this is even in baani... i'm really sorry about this, but i read SOMEWHERE, that it's the young infant, the young child that has a more connection with God than any other human being. it is when the child gets infected by all the poison in the world that everything disappears. i'll try to make sense of it from a karma point of view: let's say you're going on your first human life. God will be there with you and will have that bond from the second you are born, because as baani says, human life is your only shot at merging back with God. or lets say that you've got such good karma with you, not enough to make the jump to merge with waheguru, but to repeat your life as a human. Of Course God is gonna be right there, right beside you. it is only when you let Him (yes... Him) go that he's not there with you... Gurpreet kaur bhanji, i understand your saying about how God doesn't need any more praising, but imagine the consequence when everyone started NOT praising God. imagine if it went as far as that people started thinking they were greater than God (ref:saeen baba :roll: :roll: ). Baani tells us that we hafta fear God in our quest to achieve salvation. BUT FROM A NON-SIKHI, OBJECTIVE, NON-BIASED, VIEWPOINT, your question makes total sense. Gurus were not God. that's nothing debateable. But they feared God just as much as they praised God. It's kind of like the burning coal theory. you've got one coal that's burning, and you throw it into a whole pile of coal. essentially, if we were to personify the coal, the coal would WANT to be burning. it would WANT to be and feel useful, correct? by that thinking, think of that first burning piece of Coal as Guru... think of all the rest of the coals as us. until we're one with Guru, we can't consider ourselves to even begin to merge with God. your story aobut the man and night makes sense. but are we referring to God as a nightmare? or when we fear him, are we just accepting the fact that everything is in His doing?

hehe Pheena Veerji..... he was bein sarcastic haha

ok this kinda came to me yesterday. we've essentially come to the conclusion that homosexuality in sikhi is not allowed, correct? if singh and kaur both mean prince, and if we are in fact supposed to merge with our husband lord, and quite provocatively, may i add, according to some lines of baani.... this doesn't make sense to me... someone help please

lil_princess: no one's attacking you...it's a simple discussion... don't think that everyone's out to get you...even though it feels like it alot... and just to point out...in your original post you did actually say "humans created god", not "humans created a word for God" either way.. i still tend to lean towards Pheena. maybe us 19th-21st century humans created a word for God, but truly, no one knows the intentions and thought process of the first humans to come around with instinct, thought, and intellect. and again... lil_princess, it's the play on language.... in punjabi, there is no word for he or she, at least not to my brutal knowledge of the language....the only thing that comes to mind is "mundiya" and "kuriyay" hehe... i doubt anyone would call God either of those in Punjabi... therefore God is referred to as Akal Purakh...Rub.... Dharam Raj....whatever you wanna use. English...or more appropriately, Western Civilization refers to God as He... in fact, if you find certain shabads, techinically we are allll female, and we are to merge with our Husband-Lord... but yea, these are vague translations from a language with so many roots..maybe lalleshvari veerji can help us on that one.. don't get me wrong.... you make a pretty decent point.. but let's face it... Human intellect doesn't even HAVE the capability to think or create up something as spectacular as God. Although in Sikhi, we can recognize all names for God signifying the only One God, this discussion seems to be looked at from a very objective, non-biased view. Your logic doesn't totally fit with either Hindu belief nor does it totally fit with Christian Belief. It doesn't entirely fit with Sikh Belief, as the act of taking amrit is saying that you've got God with you everywhere...not spiritually, but physically a part of you... my two cents.....

oh my lord...... the famous Ideal and hisfamous emoticon-only responses.........

hahahhaa subliminal messages, much?? hahaha

yes..i have....and i know someone in calgary who has it.... haha.that really doesn't help you though....

wicccked convo.... i'm liking this one alot!! i hope lil_princess replies!!!

hmmm...this wasn't nearly the hit i thought it would be hehe... :cry:

this thred is already started.....buddha dal in current day...go look for it..

i found this on the sikhsangat board...i think it's awesome you can find your birthday on the calendar and see what happened on that day in history...pretty cool if you ask me http://allaboutsikhs.com/history/index.htm for example....mine: september 23 although unofficial, today is the day that Chopai Sahib was ever uttered 1637 Bhai Gurdas, the great Sikh Scholar and Poet, passed away.

hehe is it just me or has desikuddi's kachhera seemed to be in a bunch lately?!?!

i agree with you, lalleshvari..... kacchhera is a must...but it's not the only thing... for example.....if you wish to believe keski is kakaar....it's a must, but it doesn't hafta be the only thing... you can always put something else on top... or for kara....kara isn't the end.you can always put a maala on or whatever you feel is practical....remember... sikhi is meant to be practical..not fanatical.....

i blame sex.....sex created humans... lalleshvari, your comments please

nono, i'm not joking around.. i mean it.. theres actually some reason behind it...

well supposedly there's actually a fundamental reason behind it...my parents were telling me there was, but they pboth forgot the reason at the time i asked them

well in the same respect, Taksalis are also there ever since Guruji's times...so is it safe to say that if they didn't give it guruship, then it can be looked at that way too.... don't get me wrong...they're incredibly important.... but they're not Guru itself.... our current guru is Guru Granth Sahib and should not be equalled by anything in the Guru's house. I have no problem with them being inside the gurdwara..if people wanna read it seperateley on their own time, when there's nothing happening, or anything like that.... then cool.. but Guru is Guru, according what our last physical human Guru did and told us.

i hafta agree with this..... it's kinda like.... if you can put two granths which Guru Gobind Singh Ji didn't give guruship to, then you should be able to put other things like..bhai vir singh's preaching and all that too... they're not guru, but they're really really important... i don't mind having them in the gurdwara..but on the same level as Guru Ji? i don't think so..

my question is this... as was done with dasam granth, a council was formed to take out anything that didn't seem to be baani.. was the same not done for Guru Granth Sahib? why is it that it's okay to read anything else that's been deemed baani, but not that last little page. True... there was alotta stuff extra in old birs.. but if there's a bir found, which there is..., that has the signature of Guru Gobind Singh, after the final "publishing" was done.... so who're we, exactly, to disregard that?

i've gotta disagree.... canada wasn't even supposed to win a game this time... the coach himself thought this was part of the rebuilding, and his original goal was 2007... kinda makes you wonder about this team....we haven't realized our full potential...90% of the team is between ages 16-24

Music isn't haraam in islam... nusrat fateh ali khan was a sufi muslim who prayed to god through his music. mosdef not haraam..just that there are those who don't listen to music and who do consider it haraam on a widescale level, however, it is not

Jassa Pyaareo, gurfateh! ok, may i ask you.. after last year's July Toronto samagam, i went onto the Jatha board at akj.org, and i saw someone complaining about how some baba "MADE" them read raagmala at the end of the akhand paath? yet you say that they don't say yoiu can't at amrit sanchaar...or that some do and some don't...yet every post made after that agreed that it was a "shame" that they had to read raagmala. as far as raagmaala goes... if you don't read it, you're putting your own 'mat' higher than guru's 'mat', therefore manmat over gurmat, as raagmala is present in our Guru Sahib whom we follow and look to for guidance today. If it's not baani, then you can always ask for forgiveness, assuming you read it.. but what if you don't read it, and it IS baani... then you can't even ask for forgiveness, because Guru is already telling you to read it, and you put your own reasons above His.... about the comment on policy.. why is it that whenever i have a one on one conversation with someone from the jatha, they bash another jatha for THEIR policy.. i don't mean this as disrespect, but only as what i see it to be, and trust me i know alot more than the average jaswant... it looks like a business... despite the fact they do alot of kamaee... their actions are those of a business... no disrespect is meant, just that they should consider changing the way they do some things, because anyone can say it's 100% into sikhi, but so many people know it's not. fateh!