SikhKhoj

@ Satkirin: God is nor male nor female Satkirin.

@ Singh123: And Bhagat Fareed Bani is second Farids Bani. If you want to debate me then start another topic and I will debate you with internal Gurbani and external historical references. All others bhagats like Nama, Kabir, etc met Guru Nanak in UP according to Janamsakhis like Mehervan Janamsakhi. Start another topic, but don't run away like every time because you can't respond with arguments please because I actually waste quite some time compiling posts with adequate tuks and historical basis.

Neo, do you really think your 'explanation' makes sense or makes DDT book seem more sensible? Why would Guru Nanak Dev Jis feet bleed if a Sikh recited bani while walking? Why would DDT (or God as he says) discourage reading Bani while walking?

Because I am not conditioned to follow any human being or sect I can see right through these things and compare it to bani and see whose wrong:

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ਚਾਲਤ ਬੈਸਤ ਸੋਵਤ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਚਰਨ ਖਟਾਨੀ ॥੨॥ Walking, sitting and sleeping, I chant the Lord's Praises; I treasure His Feet in my mind and body. ||2|| Guru Arjan Dev I thought you would rise above this... Cognitive dissonance.

Debunk my claims brother. Cursing, name calling and saying 'this is stupid' is another way of saying you have no answer.

If DDT has historical past, started by Dasam Guru and had the previous jathedars as mentioned by Kartar Singh Bhindran, then show me from history. I can also make up a lineage for my own school tommorow by naming some famous people like Akali Phoola Singh as my precedessors. If it would be true, some old book would definitely mention it?

Why doesn't Mahan Kosh mention this Mahan Lineage of the so called 9-10 DDT jathedars uptill the time of Mahan Koshs writing (early 20th century)

Neo, do you really think your 'explanation' makes sense or makes DDT book seem more sensible? Why would Guru Nanak Dev Jis feet bleed if a Sikh recited bani while walking? Why would DDT (or God as he says) discourage reading Bani while walking?

Because I am not conditioned to follow any human being or sect I can see right through these things and compare it to bani and see whose wrong:

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ਚਾਲਤ ਬੈਸਤ ਸੋਵਤ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਚਰਨ ਖਟਾਨੀ ॥੨॥ Walking, sitting and sleeping, I chant the Lord's Praises; I treasure His Feet in my mind and body. ||2|| Guru Arjan Dev I thought you would rise above this... Cognitive dissonance.

As early as 1979, one eminent Sikh scholar, Prof.Trilochan Singh (1919-1993) who was involved in UNESCO publication ‘Sacred writings of the Sikhs’, saw through the lies of Baba Kartar Singh Samparda Chowk Mehta:
‘To carry the distortion further, the Bhindrawaley Taksal now claims to be the spiritual descendants of ‘Damdami Taksal’ (Spiritual lineage of interpreters of Adi Guru Granth) of Baba Dip Singh, although all the followers of Baba Dip Singh and Baba Gurbaksh Singh died to the last man for the sanctity of the Golden Temple. They left no successor. Sant Sundar Singh founder of Bhindrawaley Taksal was student of Sant Gulab Singh, a Nirmala Saint and actually belonged to the Amritsali Taksal. I had the opportunity to meet Sant Inder Singh, brother of Sant Sundar Singh many times and got first-hand material about the Saints life from Sant Gurbachan Singh. Sant Inder Singh died at the age of 104.’
‘The Turban And Sword Of Sikhs, Prof.Trilochan Singh, Pa.390

lol your proof of Taksal being started by Guru is a video. Great.

What about Taksalis fav granth called Suraj Prakash? Where does it mention DDT or its jathedars? Where was DDT when mahants were capturing Gurdwaray and raping? I agree that Sant Jarnail Singh did great Kurbani and you can boast of it as a taksali but prior to that (keeping in mind that Baba Deep Singh etc were not Taksalis) there was no kurbani by Sunder Singh, Kartar Singh or Gurbachan Singh. They did good things sure but also did a lot of harm to Sikhi by adding mythology to our religion. You still have not answered in which vision Gurbachan saw Muhammad stealing Vedas? OR did he just say it cos he read it in Bansawlinama without exploring and analyzing the text?

Guru Sahib made Khalsa. Not Taksal or whatever

In case you don't know, I quote Kulbir Singh from GurmatBibek forum:

"Sootak according to the Hindu faith, is related to the Bhitt (pollution, jooth) that occurs for some weeks after childbirth. The woman in these days (up to Sava month i.e. 40 days or so) is not allowed in the kitchen or do other work in the house. Some scholars believe that this practice was started with good intentions of letting the women rest after childbirth but eventually it became a superstition. Whatever the case, Gurbani has rejected the Bhitt related to Sootak."

Harmandar Sahib has 24/7 seva of humanity since 4 centuries yet its been attacked, destroyed and Sangat massacred there so many times. Think logically brothers.

Beating or killing in the name of religion (blasphemy, insulting the Gurus, etc) is not the Sikh way. I used to be a supporter of these killings but have since changed my mind; people like Rulda should've been countered by parchaar not bullets. Same with most of the deradaars, with the exception of the ones who commited rapes, forced sterilizations and murders - they can be killed in Khalsa vigilante justice according to Sikh and Gur Ithaas.

Our Gur Ithaas is full of slanderers of the Guru and even ones who changed bani but the Gurus just told us not to mingle with them, not to kill them. Our Gurus took on the Mughal empire, and if they wanted they could've decimated all these sects.

From an ex-extremist.

Capital punishment was given, for example Jabar Khan had abducted a Brahmin girl and Guru Ji put him to death. There was enough evidence since his men put up fight and the women was rescued from his place. But I don't know how believable the Masand story is, the earliest reference I have found is panth parkash written 130 years after Guru Gobind Singh and it seems to be contrary to several other Sakhis. If Masands raped (like Mahants) it could be another story, but yes.

Everyday new videos appear of these kattar Sikhs beating nanga sadhus, pathis doing paath at jatheras, people questioning dasam granth etc, which is bad & has no precedence in Gur Ithaas. They behave just like extremist muslims do, no difference between them.

Now jumping around differentiating between suha and lal... But the below tuks show that both Lal and Suha can be used positively.

ਲਾਲ ਭਏ ਸੂਹਾ ਰੰਗੁ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ Instead of the pale color of Maya, I am imbued with the deep red color of the Lord's Love. ਮਃ 1 ਲੋਕਾ ਵੇ ਹਉ ਸੂਹਵੀ ਸੂਹਾ ਵੇਸੁ ਕਰੀ ॥ O people: I am in red, dressed in a red robe. ਮਃ 3 ਲਾਲ ਰੰਗ ਪੂਰਨ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਬਿਧਾਤਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ The Love of the Red Beloved, the Architect of Destiny, is perfect. ||1||Pause|| ਮਃ 5 ਲਾਲ ਰੰਗੁ ਤਿਸ ਕਉ ਲਗਾ ਜਿਸ ਕੇ ਵਡਭਾਗਾ ॥ One is dyed in the color of the Lord's Love, by great good fortune. ਮਃ 5 ਬਿਸਮ ਬਿਸਮ ਬਿਸਮ ਹੀ ਭਈ ਹੈ ਲਾਲ ਗੁਲਾਲ ਰੰਗਾਰੈ ॥ I am wonder-struck, wonder-struck, wonder-struck and amazed, dyed in the red color of my Beloved. ਮਃ 5

Am I not on Islamawareness by any chance?

The whole concept of removing parda was because you got to control your eyes and your kaam, not wear a sheet over others' body. Ofcourse some decency needs to be maintained while clothing but you are giving rules as if we're some Sharia.