Narsingha

Considering the behaviour of aguptkaur, is it any wonder that some men choose to be gay? :roll:

Knowledge is knowledge...agreed. The problem occurs when people remove huge chunks of Bani from Dasam Guru Durbar and still market it as being 'complete' by referring to the Gurbani as 'Sri Dasam Granth Sahib'. That would be like removing 'Sodar Rehras' from Adi Guru Durbar, and claiming it is 'Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji'. ...the website is well made and lots of effort has gone into it, however, everyone has different preferences.

Where is the Charitropakhyan? Cant seem to see it on that website. From the current resources available online, http://www.dasamgranth.org appears to be a better bet.

What - so now I'm a homosexual? At least this latest accusation should keep members of the 'Penji Paaji club' at a distance :wink:

To clarify again..perhaps the point has been missed. 'Sanatan' is a term that has been ADOPTED to describe the concept that Sikhi, and indeed Dharma has been around since before time began - eternal. It is there to distinguish it from revisionist Sikhs who believe Sikhi is a revelation. The trouble is that people are now seeing the term 'Sanatan' as describing some kind of group. 'Sanatan' describes an ATTRIBUTE of Sikhi - it is not a jatha, cult, group or faction. Just because Nihangs, etc etc descrbe themselves as being 'Sanatan' does not mean they are the ONLY ones who follow it, or indeed that you have to be a Nihang, etc etc to believe in the 'Sanatan' concept. There are many people who have never heard of the term "Sanatan" but practice Sikhi in a manner that can be DESCRIBED as being 'Sanatan'. Then again, we also have those people who wish to 'belong' to some kind of group (I believe someone used the term 'misguided youth), so they see 'Sanatan' as being another 'jatha'. As Guruji stated: ‘According to one's intellect one expresses it [the truth] in a myriad of ways.’ (‘Dasam Guru Durbar’, Treh Charittar 104)

One story goes that he was arrested for possessing illegal arms...another one involves drug dealing... ...I've heard a few other less palatable reasons too.

have a gud one

amrit, like I said before, there are errors... ...thanks for pointing them out..will be fixed shortly...still trying to deal with everyone elses requests... The articles were written before Harbhajan singh got arrested... With regards to Khatris - at least they possess a sense of humour :wink:

I'm sure some emails were duplicates (kidding..)

N30Singh...I havent forgotten I'm meeting Niddar Singh today and will run everything by him before putting up the info...btw, I have had over 400 emails regarding the Nanaksar section....aside from the minor discrepancies, the general concensus is that it has gone down well

Perhaps Khalsa Fauj can pull out quotes from Rehitnamas that substantiate the actions of individuals from so-called 'Panthic' organisations in attacking innocent people - (who happen to be disabled)

Updated sections 1) http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/article_samparda_kartar17.html Sorted Ajit Singh Pula's pic 2) http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/article_samparda_akj15.html "Within days of this section being put up, a close friend of Nihang Teja Singh's family, who happens to be disabled, was attacked by THREE 'Sikhs', two of whom have been positively identified as being from the A.K.J. camp, the third is clean shaven'. Their cowardly act of violence was recorded on surveillance video footage. Such acts appear to be the result of frustration and exhibit the low-level mind set that exemplifies these fanatics who resort to violence as a deterrent." ..more updates coming soon... Well...at least we have now seen how low some 'Sikhs' can go when they start attacking disabled individuals in order to carry out their 'Panthic' duty.

Press F5 and dont get so hormonal :roll:

I guess I should have been more careful utilising the words...by 'pooja' i meant veneration, ie, paying respects... Apologies

There will be more sections, eg a) ravidasi Sikhs (although the Ravidasi group is more "Hindu' than Sikh) 'Majbi' Sikhs (ie, those from the so-called 'untouchable' caste) c) 'Bhatra' Sikhs ..btw..I'm neither pro-Jat or pro-Ramgharia, cus we all know that Khatris rule!

..canadians.. :roll:

Thanks again for the information. Looks like the Ramgharia section will increase in size. All the changes shud be up by the end of the weekend - unless a member of the lunatic fringe decided to go through with one of their death threats and subject me to a vegetarian meal!) I have come across families in East London who still practice pooja of Baba Vishkarma - Virdees, Bhogals and Sagoos. From what I have seen, the majority of Ramgharia families who carry out Baba Vishkarma's pooja on a regular basis tend to be those who are linked more closely with India - than for example those families that have lived in East Africa.

I recall meetin a Sadhu who lived in a cemetary in Mumbai. When asking him why he lived the way he did, he replied: "Friend, when I awake, I think of death. In my daily routine, death surrounds me, when I sleep, I sleep with death on my mind. I eat what Bhairav gives. I remain in the know that I am always aware of [and never forget] the ultimate reality [Mahakaal]"

The term 'Puratan' cannot be used as it implies that a concept is "historical" (ie. bound by time) not "eternal" (beyond time). Also, 'Puratan' has some derogatory meanings, eg, when you refer to something/someone as 'Puratan', it can mean that it is 'rubbish', 'old - beyond repair', 'mentally retarded', 'dim', 'daft', 'stupid' (...you get the general idea). The term 'Sanatan' refers to concepts that are 'eternal' - not born, or dead, but 'manifest' beyond time itself - hence the term 'Akal' and phrases such as 'Aad Sach, Jugaad Sach'. The term itself cannot be fully explained by people such as myself who're still looking for the lightswitch. I have a 'katha' done by Nirmala Baba Harbhajan Hari that delves into the Sanatan concept - this is difficult to understand by those who have been brought up believing in an 'ism'. When a person practices such concepts (ie, as those explained by the Gurus with the scriptures), then they will realise what is 'Sanatan' for themselves - ie, concepts that are eternal, beyond the 'seen world'. However, as a person develops, the term 'Sanatan' as a label begins to fade, and it takes on the meaning of a 'concept'/'state of being'- eg, in the case of Kabir. Its like trying to express the full range of emotions when eating well made chocolate - impossible!

The idea of the samaparda section was to present the info gathered via research - and hope that those sampardas/individuals out there who can correct/add/ammend what has been presented. By no means is it all 100% correct, or flawless (if it was, then the authors would be Brahmgianis - and thats not the case at all!) If people out there can present their evidence and add to the info, and even prove we are wrong, then we are progressing in further understanding and unravelling the complex threads of Sikh history. I've had N30Singh and a few other Sikhs email me with evidence in order to ammend the section on Nanaksaria Sikhs - Niddar Singh and myself are examining the info and update will be put up shortly. ...similarly, we have had Namdhari Sikhs, Ramgharia and Jat Sikhs contact us presenting information - and that too is being examined. With regards to the images - some images dont match the legends, and there are ongoing corrections to be fixed (..to coin an old analogy - the diamond has been found, now it requires polishing) ..its a work in progress.. (btw, thanks for the comments already presented..)

Challenge... The only people who consider 'Sanatan' as being a cult, jatha, group or faction are those people who's perception, ideals and concepts are moulded according to revisionist (be it puritanical) Sikhi (ie, those who consider Sikhi to be a semetic/revealed 'religion'). ...for everyone else (those who practice, live, and inherently believe the traditional concepts of 'eternal faith'), 'Sanatan' is simply a TERM to distinguish themselves from the revisionists (ie. mainstream) Sikhi. There are many people brought up with the concepts of 'Sanatan Sikhi' but who never heard of the 'Sanatan' word before. Typical examples that come to mind are Khatri Sikh families who believe in both 'Hindu' and 'Sikh' concepts, Hindu families that have both Sikh and Hindu members, Tarkhans who believe in Baba Visharma but are also Sikhs, NanakShahis (Sikhs who accept/believe in both Sikhi and Islam), Nanakpanthis (Sikhs who accept/believe in both Sikhi and 'Hinduism')..etc etc. To such people, whether or not they are referred to as 'Sanatan' or not doesnt matter - it wont affect their daily routine, or their belief. The only reason Nihang Niddar Singh refers to himself (and other Sikhs) as 'Sanatan' as he did in the talk on Sikh Women, is to distinguish themselves from mainstream Sikhism when addressing an audience unaware of the distinctions. Within Nihangs, Udhasis, etc, for example, the term 'sanatan' is hardly used, because everyone is ALREADY aware of the distinction. As for those 'impressionable young chelas' you refer to who are utilising the term "Sanatan" to appease their vengeful nature, or to 'p*ss people off' - that is a path they have chosen for themselves. The fact that they are doing this proves they havent really got the message of Sikhi (regardless of the 'blend' of Sikhi they affiliate themselves with).

...thank God for the baghnakka (saves me the stress of worrying about holding anyone's hand or not!!)

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Interesting concepts... ....what is more important...speaking/believing/living truthfully, or doing Nitnem and 'thinking'? Even before considering Nitnem, one shud become honest with themselves...easier said than done. Not much point in putting truth in a vessel thats dirty and filthy. It has come to a point were speaking the truth has become politically incorrect, and where speaking about others practicing "ritualistic Sikhism" is "cool". Whatever the beliefs of people who post on tapoban.org, they are still human beings - prone to the same narrow-mindedness that we are all guilty of at some time or another. Its always easier to work on concepts 'outside' the body (nitnem, kakkars, etc.), harder to work within.