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bloody hell, have you seen the comments in that link? so sikhs cant wear kirpans no matter how obsolete or small, yet the public think that white people can build bombs and do what they like with them. sheer hypocrisy. makes me wonder why firearms licenses are so hard to come by in this country. i could sure do with one. also, why is this turned into a islam -v- the west thread? they're all as bad as each other. islam/christianity? whitey/musis? all the bloody same. to paraphrase a great man, "there is no white, there is no muslim". why? because they're all the same in my eyes. well not all, but most.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=82686/ my mate just sent me this old link, and what a shocker it is. supposedly this seabass is an officer in the hindustani army too (though why he's on the British Army forum, i dont know). seems those slumdog shitheads are trying to stop our community from performing any proper role in britain. come on people, prove people like seabass wrong. get a good education, join the TA/other armed forces, and show that we are a part of britain, rather than 'indians'.

when i said for people to arm themselves, i meant small weapons that are easily concealed or bigger weapons to keep at home. best thing to do is to use the other guys weapon against him. if you're up against 20-30 people though, leg it home and come charging out with a khanda lol. seriously though, if the the circumference of the side of your kara is sharp, hold half of thekara in the palm of your hand and slash from right to left or top to bottom. the sharp curve will act like a knife and take a nice chunk of the other guy's face off.

as well as arming ourselves with training, practice and preferable weapons, we need to familiarise ourselves with the argument the far right use, and how to counter it. unfortunately for us, there is no credible left wing in this country and most of the anti-fascism brigade are a bunch of kooks. so now more than ever the panth needs real troopers and leaders willing to come to the fore. also, if worse comes to worse, say in a decade or twos time, some people may need to consider where they would go if this country becomes too volatile.

lol, with a grip like that and a blade it can still be used for close quarters. also might be useful to anyone thinking of joining the SBS lol.

Exactly. personally, i feel that as many sikh people feel powerless to do anything about making khalistan or dealing with the muslim/white racist threat to our panth, they use any militant attributes they have let and turn on their own lot. this leads to a whole load of fundamentalists trying to purge our community of things they do not agree with, yet not moving a muscle when a non-sikh attacks us. also, i'm sure some criminals, brothel owners and other untoward elements have worn gold in the punjab throughout the last 5 centuries and before. also, many akhalis were not exactly rich but still wore ear rings. we can all try and dissect what the gurus intentions were concerning the little things in their lives. but we will all have different opinions and end up going around in circles. rather, we should just live and let live, and concentrate on things that are really affecting the panth. also, to the guy who mentioned giving gold to pigs, can you clarify what point you were trying to make?

how much is that in pounds? is it possible to get in britain? very nice find kaljug, didnt think these kind of things could be got outside of the armed forces.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275520 i would like to draw your attention to the line "They’re not choosy about which community". so there you go. we now face the possibility of aggravated violence from whitey, and on a higher level than what the older lot suffered in the 70s/80s. any ideas on how the sikh community in the uk can prepare, evade and retaliate to this threat?

http://www.sikhnet.com/news/impact-great-w...d-their-letters look at the prominent sikh soldier in the picture. is that an earing on his ear?

ugly white women should wear the bhurka. and ugly english john bulls should aswell. seriously though, the law in this country is contrived enough as it is, and now this. its all going to go nuts in this country in a couple of years. it'll make the balkans look like a lover's tiff.

it went funny when all the real leaders got killed and left us with the nutjobs and the fundamentalists. now we are still under the thumb of the same people in our community who screwed us over the first time. oh well. if you cant see it, dont cry when you smash your face into a lampost, is my motto. the stupid youth are setting themselves up for a fall, and none of them have the sense to see it. lol, it is so bad it is a little funny. for 150 years we have been done in, each time in pretty much the same way. oh well, who am i to stand in the way of fate? good luck kiddies.

its near 2012 isnt it? anyone else see the significance? maybe they are all protesting because they want to be sikh!?!? then kaljug will end as we will have one big dharam yudh and batter everyone!! if i'm right.

well the defintion of fundamentalist is a what i have said. a fundamentalist is not a fanatic; a fanatic is someone who believes what they believe in no matter how tough the going gets. an extremist is someone who has no reasoning at all and will go to extremes (!) just to carry out with their beliefs (similar to fundamentalists). a fundamentalist is basically a stupid person who is so simple they approach religous text with such naivety and ignorance that they end up contradicting their own made up quasi-religous beliefs. as for achieving khalistan, well i'll start but i wont put down everything. it will start with the gurudwaras. using their money to set up lecture halls, libraries, it facilities etc which will nurture an environment where learning and oratorical skills are infused in those who are willing to learn. as well as this there should be halls for martial arts training and other self defences lessons. young sikhs should be encouraged to join the paramilitary forces of the countries they live in, so that they understand discipline and how to use guns. the idea that all good sikh kids become accoutants, doctors, dentists only should be rejected, and sikh kids should strive to be the best in their own chosen profession. actually i'm getting bored typing this, here's one i made earlier!: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry405390

lol, maybe i'm not making myself clear but the time for action is when we are prepared. at the moment the only action we should concern ourselves with is laying the foundations of a sikh state. and one of the things to help that is to improve ourselves. as for fundamentalist, i have a lot of words to describe them, but i dont think the mods would approve. look at the history of other religions and see what fundamentalism has done to them. religion isnt seperate from a nation/culture/individual. therefore if that religion is misinterpreted it has a ripple effect and not a good one. for example look at how fundamentalism took hold in islamic arabia when there empire was on the decline - and it was fundamentalism which retarded the region. look at america where fundamentalists are forcing kids to not learn proper science. if that continues the states will end up like the arab states did a few centuries ago. as for sikhs, we are different to the above examples as we are a small nation. therefore, the two examples of small nations suffering fundamentalism are the native americans at the end of the 19th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Dance) or the demise of Sparta (sorry i dont have a link). my vision of khalistan (in a nutshell) is a prosperous superpower capable of incorporating non-sikhs but making them want to be part of our country. it will also be a country where a sikh can grow up and believe in sikhi how much they want and not be persecuted. that means devout sikhs wont fear that their beliefs are being altered by the country's institutions (like in hindustan) or a sikh could be a mona/keshdhari and not held back by people with a 'holier-than-thou'-complex. i could go on but i would like to know what your idea of what you want khalistan to be is. also, it is possible and we do have to act now. but not in the way you think. i'm guessing you think i want a repeat of what happened in the 80s. if thats what you think, then i'll say it now: if it didnt work 25 years ago, it wont work now. thats why i say use our brains........ but before we do, we need to actually know how to use them.

ahem. are we alone in that? we have this idea that we have to be perfect before we can do anything. but everyone's idea of what this level we have to reach is different. i'm not saying what you mentioned is a good thing, but having some fundamentalist vision of khalistan being perfect with no crime, no bigots, no idiots, will never be true. not everyone in the panth has been perfect throughout history, but no one says lets ditch sikhi as we're rubbish at it.

1. sometimes looking at what you say and putting real, thought out points across is a lot better than the whining that some people partake in. yes, its my opinion, but its based on fact. not just aimless slander. 2.well you managed to miss the point with my first example. firstly its obvious you are confusing spiritual gursikhs with fundamentalists. there is a massive difference, one that can only be known from experiences with those types of people. i hope you know what i mean. secondly, waheguru isnt some kind of micro manager. if you are sitting on your behind, food will not fly out of the fridge to your face. but thats the kind of attitude i see in so many sikhs nowadays. of course waheguru controls the outcomes that involve worldly factors. but each one of us is a factor, and we were given the chance to prove ourselves. and that includes others. i dont like it when some sikhs mistake the actions of others and planned world events as a sign of waheguru's hand in our lives. we cant comprehend the intelligence that made each universe. so being fundamentalist only drives us further from the truth or any chance of making our life count. 3. but thats a fundamental question: we all want people of the world to do better, but what about those who are warmongers/criminals/have ill-intent? of course they will be dealt with in the time after death, but that wont stop them from causing great harm now. so can we pray, but waheguru wont lightning bolt them will he (well he could, but i doubt that would happen)? is the khalsa still able to deal with the dushts who inhabit our planet? thats just one of the questions.

1. did i say i was dealing with their argument by just saying they cry? no. 2. those who swim against the stream are those who dont sit there and say everything that happens in life is beyond our control. those who laugh are the ones who sit in occidental luxury thinking that some divine influence is keeping them breathing (i.e. fundamentalists). there are other examples but i dont really see the point of going into them as certain people have misread them before and twisted some of them to give the wrong meaning. 3. actually i said that we cant do as the muslims do. and what they do is placate themselves and others by calling people who do certain things as 'not muslims'. also your comment: "and so will the rest of the Panth regardless of whether they are aware of this fact".... er how exactly? are you sure every sikh believes in whats good for the world? or what actual things are good for the entire world and will keep everyone happy? it looks like its not only the pro-khalistani sikhs who have to face up to some real-life questions. i started to write what could be called literature and other things that will helpfully start to get people to use the brains we were given.

1. crying involves wailing out loud, which is the impression i get from some of these posts. 2. exactly, but when people mention setting up desert islands, i'm just like . no other community tests runs themselves on islands. but if khalistan is run by fundamentalists or egotistical 'intellectuals' then we will collapse. 2.1 maybe i didnt make myself clear, but i'm not saying we should run a country like a gurudwara or that sikhs are anywhere close to being able to run a country. but we can educate the panth rather than laughing at those who are swimming against the stream. 3. of course realsikhs would not do so. but lets face it there are a lot of sikhs, even a few amritdhari who are as bad as the worst non-sikhs. we cant just do this thing the muslims do where they say 'oh they're not real muslims' just to placate themselves and others. i try and argue against irrationality and fundamentalism. i encourage the use of intellect rather than constant whinging/apathy/running and hiding in gurudwaras + any other stupid actions that sikhs like to use nowadays. there are other things but i dont like talking too much.

hahah lol. if someone sounds like they are crying then i'll say it. as for khalistan, let me ask you this: if gurudwara committees are so badly run (which some are) why are you complaining and not doing anything? even if khalistan was free, we wouldnt get anywhere if the panth sat on the sidelines waiting to see if it was worth supporting, before piling in if it is successful and saying they were responsible for the victory. lol, i can actually imagine quite a lot of sikhs jumping up and down afterwards saying they were the ones who did all the hard work. stuck in between the fundamentalists and the supposed intellectuals in the panth, i cant help but laugh.

because it will be a state where sikhs (and those of other religions) can grow up and live in peace without having their religion crapped on or twisted. to those who go on about gurudwara commitees, all i can say is that most gurudwaras have at least one idiot running them. those of us sikhs with half a brain could run it pretty well, ragardless of how fundamentalist (or retarded) the rest of the panth is. a lot better than badal. so dont cry about something that doesnt exist.

yeah the 'death sentence'! well done, islam must be great if thats what they come up with. gurbani does not need to instruct us on most matters of law as we were not as lawless as the people in mohammed's time.

nice way of deflecting the issue of certain islamic preachers views on women in a western society. also, i have seen hardly any mention of 'white supremacist' sources, just ones watchful of the actions of muslims. you can blame 50 cent, the low standing of muslims on the social ladder etc but it doesnt confuse the fact that 'rape' has different meanings in different cultures. some try to stop it, others just wash their hands and blame others.

If she wants to look like a 'ninja-hizra', let her, she just made me laugh. silly little girl, we're better off without her.