Gupt Singh

o no another dodgy thread. there isnt any such thing as love. its a concentration of moh and kaam. guruji says a gursikh must marry only another gursikh, i dont think we need to explain why.

i honestly cant believe im reading this. you think that a sikh who believes in guruji, is going to SEXUALLY PLEASURE himself for no reason? just take a look back at what u are doing. no i dont do it and i never intend to. who the fr*** are the people here???????? seriously my opinion of the people who go on this message board has dropped 10fold. ive had this convo with other gursikhs and none of them do it. its a totally gorra thing. it is mentioned in islam as 100percent haram and the same probably applies to sikhi. kaam is hard to control but come on, your not going to have sex with someone just because you dont do dirty stuff. do you think any of the gurus ever did it? bhagats? saints? hell anyone with any sort of spiritual inclination? guys, sort yourselves out. stop kidding yourself its ok. gorre do it, and they think its ok, why cant sikhs control themselves like muslims do! monneh think its ok to cut their hair and justify it. peeps are doing the same thing here. take a cold shower daily, do lots of exercise and paath, and you wont have the problem. its not exactly hard - its not like youll go crazy otherwise. maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

"the moslems do their halal, and the hindoos do their jhatka, but compassion has left them both" - bhagat kabeer

leperosy. oh and btw, patkas look stupid. i wore one and as soon as i started to wear a dastaar, i realised what i fool i looked like before

excuse me for all the people here who do the gora act often and then try to justify it.......heres some gurbani from siddh ghost i was reading today. SGGS p945 If one is not imbued with the Lordís Love, nor intoxicated with His subtle essence, without the Word of the Guruís Shabad, he is frustrated, and consumed by his own inner fire. He does not preserve his semen and seed, and does not chant the Shabad. He does not control his breath; he does not worship and adore the True Lord. But one who speaks the Unspoken Speech, and remains balanced, O Nanak, attains the Lord, the Supreme Soul. BTW if you havent read siddh ghost....read it! its wicked!

when i was refferring to chandi di var i was talking about guruji describing how the wounded looked like stoned sandhoos on the floor, and some people say from that its ok to get stoned. i dont understand why you deleted my post. in one of gyani gyan singhs books he says that guruji tried to sacrifice his kiddies to chandi and after his mom stopped him he hurled abuse at her...........now once you read that, you may question the authenticity of such a book considering how much love guruji had for his kids as shown in other sakhis, and how he didnt worship chandi but showed the true bhagauti to be the sword to the bahmans who tried to make her appear. the books that my best friend narsingha has mentioned are all essentially history books, and alot of the stories are a little dodgy (as the above one) to say the least. the akal takht has only recently made a strong stance on the dasam granth, never mind books like panth prakash! veggie 4 life!

steel bangle there are rahitnamas that say alot of dodgy things. i wouldnt rely on them too much. there are rehitnamas that also say keski as a kakkar, but the bottom line is they are all essentially unreliable and the vahees of bhatt is the most reliable historical source, historians have used the pand vahees and bhatt vahees to correct mistakes in terms of timelines of hte gurus, etc. if both records on the matter say keski, then that is the strongest evidence. either way, whether or not it is the kakkar or not, sau sakhi, and many other rahitnamas say keep a keski always, regardless. lol, the panth prakash and all those kind of historical books are really dodgy. i dont think its that one, but another one like sooraj prakash granth or something, says guruji tried to sacrifice his kids to chandi and when his mom stopped him he insulted her! again they are not really historically sound, since they were written in the 1800s. 7naam - say you do your japji AFTER breakfast and your rehras AFTER dinner....bhai nand lal says Those who do not take their morning bath in cold water and those who eat before their Nitnem infringe the Rehat. thats usually considered a relatively sound rahitnama since there are about 3 or 4 others that say the same thing (cant remember which).....and "infringing the rehat" sounds like quite a serious thing.....if you didnt follow it would you not get mukti? it would still be possible, just a bit harder. at our low spiritual level, i cant feel a difference spiritually between eating from sarbloh and not, or eating from a gursikh and not. i can only feel a extremely subtle difference in doing paath in amritvela and other times...and that might just be my mind......at our spiritual level theres not really much point saying what will benefit you spiritually and wont....because we have no idea what actually will (although im sure theres 1 or 2 quiet gurmukhs here who can ) naam is the central thing, but to guruji rahit is more important than a sikh him/herself.....so its something everyone has to be clued-up on.

ive got it on my pc somewhere so giv us your email address (and anyone else who wants it) and ill send it.....its just a black n wite pic of him with a haircut and a caption with it.

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o and ill look into the bhai gurdas quote. its strange that dasam granth and guru granth have absolutely NO reference to chatka of goats, etc....and dont give me those triyah chartitrer or chandi di var quotes as shaky evidence either..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moderator Note: Please provide your references to your claims of calling Chandi Di war as Shaky evidences or it will be edited.

i wouldnt start dissing sarab loh bibek now if i was you.....because akjers, taksaalis and nihungs all do it......becuz we are at such a low spiritual level we cannot understand/see a difference, doesnt mean they are wrong and we are right.

you should wear a dastar cuz rahitnamas and even sau sakhi says keep a keski and dastar always. plus bhai chaupa singh and the vahees of bhatt (v reliable source) say guruji made it mandatory for all amritdharis to wear a keski. chunnis are a hindoo thing....wear them ontop of the keski if you want, but dont replace it w/ them!

no not really. like i said i have evidence for my views. i dont follow others like sheep. if i was some akj-brainwashed person then i would also reject ragmalla, which i dont. i dont base my ideas on the majority, i base it on what is rational. best way. nah i wasnt trying to convince anyone, i was just showing my evidence, which YOU asked for. if you blindly follow the mainstream views of majority of "the panth" on every subject you come into difficulties. in the early 1900s, most of the panth rejected ragmalla. there was a time when akal takht sent a hukamnama NOT to read ragmalla at all. this is because the singh sabha questioned pretty much everything. alot of dasam granth was also rejected till a little more recently. stuff like triyah charitrer was ignored completely till later on. if you follow the panth your ideas will constantly be changing! wot are u talking about? calm it man. ive read all the controversies on the net, in books, from others and ive made a decision. nothing new will come up in it. i have argued alot with people in the past and realised that debates and discussions, in real life or on the net, arent always fruitful. W are u talkin about? nice bani. u r chatting breeze man. are you my schoolteacher lol, tryna catch me out at every word i say? you said previously: and i gave my reasons for my personal beliefs. stop dragging on something because you know your wrong, lol, it may start to pee me off in the not too distant future.

ive got a pic of one of them with a hair cut, but its not particularly nice or interesting so ill leave it. i personally dont agree with cutting hair no matter what, even if it was for revenge from bluestar. there must have been another way to kill the general.

there are some **messed** panj pyare out there. some will tell you to take jhatka meat, or take bhang, or sukkha. but whatever the panj tells you, you MUST obey. hence you should make a decision on what you think is right. my personal belief on keski as a kakkar are validated by the following: 1) the darshan guru gobind singh has given truthful gurmukhs such as bhai rama singh 2) the strong belief in keski by bhai randhir singh, who i consider one of hte most spiritually elavated men since the gurus times 3) the account of vaisaikhi and inclusion of "keski" as a kakkar in the bhatt vahees (there are 2 records, both saying keski), the MOST reliable source available to us today 4) the rahitnama of bhai chaupa singh explicitly mentioning keski, and the implication of keski as a kakkar by those such as bhai daya singh (one of the original panj pyare) and bhai prahlad singh. 5) simple logic that each kakkar has to be seperate from hte body, and kesh is more important than all the kakkars, and is already listened as a kurehit (hajamat) so should not need to be a kakkar also. that is my basic validation. there are a few more historical and other bits of evidence here and there. who made the SGPC rehat maryada? HUMANS. not the guru. the current rehat says we can eat meat, whilst GURU HARGOBINDS hukamnama says dont even go near fish or meat!!!! how can we be so trusting of a group of humans over our guru? aside from the points of controversy, i have full faith in the rehat maryada as it is based on sound rehatnamas and historical evidence. are you saying that the views of those in the AKJ are not sikh? what about the damdami taksal, they have differences in rehat also? nihungs? the bottom line is, whenever you take amrit, you will take it from a jatha. take it from "no jatha" and you are taking it from people in line with SGPC views. take it from a jatha eg akj and you will take it with people in line with AKJ views. certainly one is "wrong" and the other "right" but it doesnt mean the amrit is invalid or mukti not possible. we are all human and we all make mistakes. the reason there are differences in the rehat is because humans make mistakes. it shouldnt be made into such a huge deal where or who we take amrit from, providing we are not following some manmat ideas and we have evidence behind them. not all AKJers are going to jaam, neither are all nihungs, taksaalis, or whoever else.

1. i havent got that dictionary 2. im not a bahman so i wouldnt use it...lol nah i think all type of love is wrong really.....love is attatchment....and sikhs must stay in the midst of the impure society totally unattatched

although i agree there should be a single panth......what exactly do you mean by just follow the guru not these different jathas? the reason people join so called jathas is because their interpritation of the rahit is more inline of that "jatha" so they take amrit "from" the jatha so that the panj pyare tell them on the day the rahit that they think is most correct. for example, i will take amrit in the near future, and when i do i will be taking it from the panj pyare. the jatha is irrelevant. but my personal belief is that guruji said keski was the kakkar, meat is not allowed and sarabloh bibek was prescribed (dont get into a discussion on it). so that i am blessed with amrit and a rahit that i myself believe is the "authentic" one, i will take amrit from a panj who have such beliefs, and by people are termed to be "akj singhs". after i take amrit i will never call myself akj, just khalsa. u no wot i mean? =========Edited============= Mod's Note: Keep your hate towards radhswamis, namdharis and other groups to yourself. Dont want it on this site i dnt think i expressed myself too clearly there....bt anyways

the guru granth sahib, akj and all other panthic organisations and gurmukhs reject miracles in the context of a cheap show to others. guru tegh bahadur died for this. when guru nanak stopped a boulder with his hand (and this remains today) was that anti-gurmat? guru granth sahib talks of 18 riddhean siddhean i believe, they are obtained at high spiritual levels. just because you or i havent got them yet doesnt mean they arent real. its bad to show off about it but i know people who have such naam imbued powers (but they dont show it off, obviously) there is not a single line in gurbani which says that someone who has spiritaul powers is bad, but it says often its bad to use them. im sure in guru gobind singhs bani (chopai or savaiyas?) there is a line like "miracles descend upon their house" and theres another in the nitnem that talks about people being rewarded with such powers. dont worry or think about them too much. i think they come to people as a "confirmation" of spiritual progress. pretty much all spiritual people perform miracles of some kind...they dont have to be "magic" neccesarily.

there was a guru granth sahib quote that said love for another person is false and a dellusion........maybe someone knowledgable here can remember it and quote it

LOL bachittar natak says that mohammed set up a CULT.....i would define cultish behaviour as marrying and consumating a marriage with a 9 year old, killing pregnant poets who opposed him (mentioned in the hadith) and taking concubines and looting villages and also rather cultish.....just like the hindu gods, mohammed begun pure (celibate, god-centred) and as soon as he got a taste of power degenerated into ego! im not dissing muslims here, but just compare quranic passages written early on and later when he had alot of power. i think ill trust guru gobind singh ji on this one whenever akal purakh sent someone down they were later infested with EGO its said quite explicitly really, just after the apnee katha section tell me, how could jesus go to heaven if he never received the naam? if he did why didnt he show others how to get it? without meditation there is no salvation.

so why would it say in sau sakhi to keep a small (keski) and large dastaar on always? and why would other rahitnamas also say such things without mentioning anything about gender? have u got any rahitnamas to back it up because i am interested. Mod Note: lalleshvari, can you please provide refrence to back up your claims. Khalsa Soujla and rest of the sangat is waitin.

im not doubting all of the dasam granth (or sarabloh granth) is gurbani. im saying, how do u know that script was written in 1698? why not 1700? how can u be sure? the dasam granth in its final form has parts like zafarnama and also khalsa mehima (or is that in sarbloh granth?)...those werent written until afterwards.......so the bir you are talking about is NOT the finished dasam granth....and the sarabloh granth was DEFINATELY not there in 1699 either......so the nihungs are claiming that the gurus amrit is invalid! anyways, how am i meant to read the sarabloh granth when the nihungs wont let anyone touch it?

1. How to keap it healthy? - do what im about to say: 2.How to avoid split ends? - ive had v. few so i dunno 3. What shampoos to use? - wash every other day...i use some natural stuff and head and shoulders, i dont usually mess about with other conditioners they dont do alot. 4. What oils to use? - mustard oil!!!!!! dont touch that articifial baby oil...mustard oil is the original and best! 6. Any grandma recipies? - nope 7. Other nice stuff? - wash (wet) your hair ever day, but use shampoo every other day. dont hairdry too often, comb whilst wet and after oiling only to minimise tangles/breaking of hair, use a KANGHA only, keep covered with a keski!

lol.........dnt worri bout it

baba harnam singhs book se kinehiya i think. naam simran isnt a ritual, there are plenty of "pious" people who are calm, chilled, genereous etc but they still havent got the gift of naam. gurbani says when one obtains naam THEN they get mukti....where did jesus get naam from? im not comparing us to jesus, as a person he was much better a person than i am. but he just didnt have a spiritual level. in general semetic religions are spiritually devoid (no offence to any xtians reading this).