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Randip Singh what do you want me to answer, ask it is will answer, it. i have shown "Guru Ghar Da Manmukh" to be a liar from his accusations stating that Sant Hari SIngh Ji ran away from a debate. The video shows otherwise. He called me a liar due as i said the debate was stopped due to a adherance to akal takhat hukum. Again the video proves he was lying. I am not bothered about the dates of the Naastack Roadshow as being int he UK i will not need to attend or cause any trouble. However if Jeonwala has given an open invite for debates then the dates should be known for the people who wish to take up this opportunity.

Guru Da Sikh i have shown you to be a liar and shown you cant be a Guru Da Sikh as you lie and due to your wounded pride will not apologise. Part 5 and 6, surprising how people got the balls to say things after Sant Hari Singh Ji and Sant Baljinder SIngh Ji left but i guess that is because if their shameful crafty and lying ways which are very similar to yours. Due to your actions contradicting the nature of your user name i will now refer to you as "Guru Ghar Da Manmukh"

" I have two wives, Its only for state benefit purposes! lol"

Guru Da Sikh is your reading selective, i am waiting for a reply or an apology? How long you going to ignore my posts!

So you can do the same thing what the your boys did in New York i.e. Raula Pauna in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji’s HAZOORI! What, so we can do what we did in New York, i thought you said the sants ran away from that debate? Isn't that what you want to see?

Im afraid to tell you Khalsa Fauj is currently taking a break from the forum, he was too tired!

Guru Da Sikh, i am waiting for a reply or an apology, the later i dont believe i will get!

Unfortunately only God can answer why and how, we just speculate and will not be able to answer the question posed

Guru Da Sikh i wrote earlier "Are you aware of why the debate on the Dasam Granth never took place, have you spoke to Prof Darshan Singh or Baba Hari SIngh Ji about it? I have, both state they did not take part in the debate due to Vedanti's Hukamnama not to debate on thsi topic. " To which you replied "Why are you making up stories anyway? Why not phone up Bhai Tehal Singh, President of the Gurdwara where this discussion / debate was going to be held, and he will tell you the TRUTH. He was the one who arranged for this to happen and was going to monitor it. He was the one who got up and asked Hari Singh to come back and join the discussion. He was the one who got up on the stage and denounced Hari Singh for stating the Jeonwala was not up to his level." You accuse me of lying do you well what does this video show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iif_6bBvm10...feature=related What do they say within the opening minute. And as you can see in the video Sant Hari Singh Ji are still there along with Sant Baljinder Singh Ji of Rara Sahib. Again and again you lie and lie and a video shows the threads of your lies. This debate was lined up and had started but due to the sangat bringing up the Hukamnama BOTH Prof Sahib and Baba Ji stopped the debate as shown If there is any sangat in Canada as BAba Baljinder sIngh Ji are there at present can they be asked about what took place at the location as well

Look you guys i know you lot hav your own beef and have brought it over here, have got anything to post relating to this thread. if you do great, if not take your issues over the PM I am still waiting for Guru Da Sikh to reply to my post earlier, in case he misses it i will post it is again here. Guru Da Sikh i worte earlier "Are you aware of why the debate on the Dasam Granth never took place, have you spoke to Prof Darshan Singh or Baba Hari SIngh Ji about it? I have, both state they did not take part in the debate due to Vedanti's Hukamnama not to debate on thsi topic. " To which you replied "Why are you making up stories anyway? Why not phone up Bhai Tehal Singh, President of the Gurdwara where this discussion / debate was going to be held, and he will tell you the TRUTH. He was the one who arranged for this to happen and was going to monitor it. He was the one who got up and asked Hari Singh to come back and join the discussion. He was the one who got up on the stage and denounced Hari Singh for stating the Jeonwala was not up to his level." You accuse me of lying do you well what does this video show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iif_6bBvm10...feature=related What do they say within the opening minute. And as you can see in the video Sant Hari Singh Ji are still there along with Sant Baljinder Singh Ji of Rara Sahib. Again and again you lie and lie and a video shows the threads of your lies. This debate was lined up and had started but due to the sangat bringing up the Hukamnama BOTH Prof Sahib and Baba Ji stopped the debate as shown If there is any sangat in Canada as BAba Baljinder sIngh Ji are there at present can they be asked about what took place at the location as well Where have all the Missionaries gone>

Guru Da Sikh i worte earlier "Are you aware of why the debate on the Dasam Granth never took place, have you spoke to Prof Darshan Singh or Baba Hari SIngh Ji about it? I have, both state they did not take part in the debate due to Vedanti's Hukamnama not to debate on thsi topic. " To which you replied "Why are you making up stories anyway? Why not phone up Bhai Tehal Singh, President of the Gurdwara where this discussion / debate was going to be held, and he will tell you the TRUTH. He was the one who arranged for this to happen and was going to monitor it. He was the one who got up and asked Hari Singh to come back and join the discussion. He was the one who got up on the stage and denounced Hari Singh for stating the Jeonwala was not up to his level." You accuse me of lying do you well what does this video show What do they say within the opening minute. And as you can see in the video Sant Hari Singh Ji are still there along with Sant Baljinder Singh Ji of Rara Sahib. Again and again you lie and lie and a video shows the threads of your lies. This debate was lined up and had started but due to the sangat bringing up the Hukamnama BOTH Prof Sahib and Baba Ji stopped the debate as shown If there is any sangat in Canada as BAba Baljinder sIngh Ji are there at present can they be asked about what took place at the location as well

here is a link to some of their divan in calgary this year http://www.calgarykeertan.com/audio/keerta...+Wale%29%2F2009

Reminds me of watching Final Destination

Here are some links to the current Sodhi lineage and guru's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Har_Sahai This one below has picture including their present guru Yujraj Singh, ignore the really cheesy music http://www.pothimalaguruharsahai.com/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/folk/pothimala/family/index.htm

Guru Da Sikh you wrote "I call GurSikhs like him as very awakened & learned Sikhs. If you would have read on the following link (http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/1430.html) all notes written by Prof. Sahib Singh ji, you would have learned that even the person who spent his entire life analyzing Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji to extract the Gurmat Gyan for uneducated folks like all of us, then you wouldn’t post your personal views as accusations against Khalsa Fauji. Being an alert Sikh doesn’t always mean being suspicious (shankawadi Sikh). On the other hand, you have seen every one of Khalsa Fauji’s posts backed up by Gurbani Gyan as suspicious. To me it seems, that you are the one with Shanka about the Sampooran Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji because you are having to go outside of it to get the ‘complete knwoledge’." Khalsa Fauji has stated that Sahib Singhs Teeka even though you live and die by it is with faults. The fact that Sahib Singh did not understand the Raagmal and did not post any of the 60 antreev arths shows his 35 years of scholarship on Sri Guru GRanth Sahib Ji. If you believe in the Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji do you not believe in all the vaaks from Ik Oankar to Athar Das Bees or do you also pick and choose there also?

And if you want links to the videos i can give you those too which are mentioned in the above post! Just a quickthing; "By the way, Gurcharan Singh Jeonwala is taking a Western Canadian tour early next week. You boys feel like having a LIVE debate in Vancouver. No Funding & Crappy Excuses this time please! Let me know, and I will email to him so that you guys can get your local ‘scholars’ ready and give them a pep talk, if you have any" Can you give us the dates and locations of where the Roadshow will be!

Guru Da Sikh "I would start believing in it ONLY if a Jathedar with the same character as Sri Guru Hargobind Singh ji dictated it to be so." Is ther any jathedar who has had the same character as Sri Guru Hargobind Ji? If so who? If not i take it you do not accept any of the Rehit maryadas created by the Khalsa panth following the Jyoti Jyot of Sri Guru Gobind SIngh Ji.

Guru Da Sikh worte "Again Khalsa Fauji ji, keep up the seva to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji." What do you mean seva to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, he does not even believe Raagmala to be gurbani which he has shown on the thread about mahadin and ramanand bairagee. He is a total naastic. No wonder he cannot comprehend the literary works of Guru Gobind Singh Ji when he has shankaa in his Guru.

Khalsa fauj, if you want a debate in person all you should have done was start one thread and made that the opening challenge instead of wasting everybodys time. Now that we have found you to be a troublemaker without the knowledge to back up your arguements i wish you a good day so you can leave the forum and enjoy reading your books for a bit more info so you can come back and cause more mischief

Right this thread has gone on for long enough. Khalsa fauj you talk about a live debate, i will post the one from 2000 when Sant Nihal Singh and the Sangat answer the questions by excommunicated Gurbakhs Singh Afgana. Regarding the Jaap Sahib, Sawaiyas and Choupai being bani, and from 44.40 minutes onwards we get to the shabad of Mahakaal! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2436660112608428261 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...96676&hl=en what is the use of debating this issue again if Kala Afgana's clique have already argued this issue and obviously lost or otherwise we would be able to find this video on their website. Quite surprising how many videos are missing off that site! Moderators is there any need to continue with this issue!

Balbir SIngh, give me the vaar you are referancing and i will check the taksal katha which is in a question and answer format

OMG You lot are lucky. I think Sant Avtar SIngh Ji Badni Kalan Walae are completing their katha on the Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji which they started in 2004. It is alot more in depth then Giani Thakur SIngh Ji's with alot more referances to other Dharmik Granths Can anyone start recording please for Sant Baljinder SIngh ji and Sant Gurdial Singh Ji, i can def post their katha up along with Sant Avtar SIngh Ji's. Just let me know if anyone gets any

So you do not accept Raagmala is bani, is that correct! as it is not in the boundary from Ik Ouankar - Salok M 5 - Tera Keeta Jato Nahi. Well if you do not accept the 1430 limbs of Guru Granth Sahib Ji as your guru i think talking about the Sri Dasam Granth or any other granth is a waste of time. If you do not believe in the Guru itself and do not have the sharda to do so what is the point of debating with you. You accept Guru Granth Sahib Ji in all of your posts as your Guru and now we find out that actually you do not believe the Raagmala to be a part of Gurbani. If maharaj was still in their Sargun forms as Gurus from Nanak to Gobind you would say to people 'That is my complete and true Guru, he is great and i believe in him totally, shame about his crooked nose though!' You are just here to pick a hole in something for the sake of it. How about you go back to your missionary friends who are writing the teekas and realise the spiritual works within the Sri Raagmala before you start on picking faults in anything else Now the rest of us really know we have wasted our time.

First of all you dodged my question on the Raagmala and the differing sequence of the raags in Guru Granths Sahib. If Raagmal is bani and accepted even thought the sequence and raags are different then why not the same with historical figures and the sequence they appear in the Bachittar NAtak" "My opinion: Anything falling outside the boundaries of Guru Granth Sahib ji isn't Gurbani. Doesn't matter if it states who it is printed by or how ink is to be prepared or even quote such as Jit Dar Lakh Mohammadaa, Lakhaa Bissan Mahesh." That does not answer the question asked about the raagmala, Raagmal is in gurbani so please state your opinion.

I do think Bhai Mani Singh Ji would have been able to decipher and distinguish any differences to seperate the works of Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the court poets.