amardeep Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 According to an article on the Prem Sumarag, the following content can be found in the Prem Sumarag: Chapter VII describes death rites Chapter VIII contains the author's views regarding Sikh polity. According to him, the ideal form of Sikh state is monarchy Chapter IX deals with miscellaneous mat ters such as rules of inheritance and distribution of property, debts and interest rate, slaves, animals, gardens and agricultural land. if this is the case, how come noone mentioned this granth when we were discussing the lack of a "sharia" in Sikhism a few months back? is it a controverisal text among sikhs of today or? http://sikhiwiki.com/index.php/Prem_Sumarag 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Singh Ji, The reference to the monarchy clearly proves (IMHO) this rehitnama was written after Ranjit Singh became Maharaja, and was thus either directly or indirectly influenced as such (not to say it does not still reflect original rehit content). The few references to secular law are a reflection of the evolution of a legal system which develops alongside any Kingdom (as Sharia was developed). The large part of the writing refers to rehit or faith (Khalsa) based law/ritual/rules. End of the day, Sikhs do not have a Kingdom or Country, and therefore do not have, nor need (at this point) a complete legal system (secular). If and when this changes, Sikhs will develop one, just as Jews, Muslims, Christians and 'Hindus' have developed one, based on the principles of their faith, Sikh writings and decisions made in Sikh history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted April 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 thank you for your quick reply. So this rehitnama was not written by Maharaj? what are the views among scholars of this rehitnama? i read somewhere that Baba Ram Singh was quite fond of this rehitnama 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 I don't think a rehitnama has yet been discovered which can solely be attributed to Dasam Patshah (although scholar Bhai Randhir Singh Ji claimed this was), they are all written or retold by other Sikhs, like I said, doesn't mean to say the Prem Sumarg does not contain many truths, as with most non-canonical sikh literature, opinions vary individual to individual. Take from it that which speaks to your heart. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted April 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Bhai Randir Singh the Akj founder? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matheen Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 I bought a copy of Prem Sumarag off Amazon and have finished with it - if anyone in the UK wants it, let me know and I'll post it. It definitely isn't written by Maharaj Ji. The style of clothing mentioned, types of coins and many other details are from a much later period. The Amrit ceremony is also different. The description given of how Kaljug will end is also different from what Maharaj Ji wrote in Sri Dasam Granth Ji, which makes it clear that they didn't write Prem Sumarag. The date given at the end is sammat 1931 (1874 AD), although McLeod thinks this only applies to a particular copy. From the tone of the writing though, I would say it was written during the Misl period, just before Raja Ranjit Singh took full control. It certainly has good bits in it, but there are others that don't agree with Gurbani, or the traditions of any puratan sampardaye. One of these is the use of betel leaf - which is seen as poison by Singhs, other differences are in the Nitnem, wedding ceremony, diet, dress and how to 'purify' muslims who want to become Sikh. The author also says that the book should not be spoken of or read to anyone..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 "The author also says that the book should not be spoken of or read to anyone..... " You naughty boy...! Could you quote (in detail) the parts you see as contentious so we can have a discussion about them. Ta. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 bit about "how to 'purify' muslims who want to become Sikh is extremely contoversial, there is no way - maharaj would have wrote something like this. It just does not match with standards of guru maharaj ji rachna - Sri Akaal Ustat Sahib 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Prem Sumarg represents evolved local traditions and maryada, as do most rehitnamai , with the primary basis having an authentic foundation, and it have being added to since, reflecting the Khalsa's changing environment and challenges over time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Prem Sumarg represents evolved local traditions and maryada, as do most rehitnamai , with the primary basis having an authentic foundation, and it have being added to since, reflecting the Khalsa's changing environment and challenges over time. nicely put there, that is exactly my thought on prem sumarag granth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted April 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 im going to buy it tommorow. looking forward to reading it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 So, did you read it? What do you think? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 if he duznt reply it cos he's prob still reading it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 i have'nt recieved it yet. i think i'll get it by tuesday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 i recieved the book one week ago. I have read about half the book, and i must say i was amazed at the beauty of some of the verses. I will give my comments and questions on the book next week when i have finished it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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