Kam1825 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 I tried to post this on the original Dam Dami Taksal thread but it was closed due to the topic getting way off the subject. The issue i raise is that many people have stated that Taksal did not exist prior to Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji or Sant Kartar SIngh Ji. Also that the Giani Samparda has never been around before Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji I got hold of The Kabit Savaiyai Steek by Giani Bishan SIngh ji from 1911. In this he mentions the sources he has used to complete his Dasam and Sri Guru Granth Shaib steeks in the years 1900 - 1905. Two of the sources used are from the late 19th century which ar steeks on the Sri GUru Granth Shaib Ji and Dasam Granth. Guru Granth Sahib Steek by Giani Bhagwan SIngh Ji Sampardai Taksal. Dasam Granth by Giani Bakhshish Singh Ji Sampardai Taksal Again thos poses the question. If the sampardai taksal was only 'made up' in the early 20th century then how come we can find people stated they belong to the Giani Sampardai Damdami Taksal in the 19th century? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Waheguru.. i was just having a discussion on this subject yesterday, and i have spent the last 2 hours looking and reading for posts on sikhawareness for evidende on damdami taksal being founded by Baba Deep Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Nice one Kam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morghe Sahar Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 To use the term "sampradai taksal" does not mean that they are the fifth sampradaya. In fact upsampradayas among Nirmalas use the word sampradaya for themselves too. Damdami Taksal itself in its videos always talks about four sampradayas and so does Giani Gian Singh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 morghe sahar: you once mentioned a book/document wherein its mentioned that damdami taksal predates 1900 and was founded by Baba Deep Singh.. do you remember the title of this book/document? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Amardeep Ji: Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji have written about the history and lineage of the Taksal (and their successor). In fact, I think they speak of it in one of their kathas which are available on-line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Sant Giani Gurbachan SIngh Ji do state their lineage of taksal is from Baba Deep Singh Ji within the first 2 mp3's of the Guru Granth Sahib Katha. Bahadur, why dont the Nirmala upsampardas use the term Sampardai taksal anymore? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morghe Sahar Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 The fact that it comes from Baba Deep Singh does not mean that it is a separate sampradaya. It is part of the larger Nirmala tradition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 I was going through pictures, came across with this, can anyone shed some light on this lineage? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 That is the lineage as put foreward by Sant Giani Sundar SIngh Ji and Sant Amir SIngh Ji Sato Gali Walae. Both agree with the lineage of taksal which is not a samparda but a jathabandee of a lineage where one sikh has passed the katha done by Guru Gobind SIngh Ji at Damdama Sahib from one to another keeping the same arths as given by guru gobind singh Ji to the Hazoori Sikhs. The only reason i opened this thread was due to the number of people who state that this tradition of passing the meanings of the katha from person to person going back to Gru Gobind Singh Ji does not exists. Sato Gali and Sewapanthi Ashram still state that their vidiya is a direct passing from Bhai Mani Singh while Taksal (Bhindra/Mehta/Sangrawan/Boparai/etc) all state their knowledge is a direct passing from Baba Deep Singh Ji. I just wanted to know why that is still doubted and for that reason brought up the two Gianis of the Taksal Sampardai's from the late 19th century. It has been disputed that the Giani Samparda or the Taksal existed before Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji. How come it is the first ever time the 'Sampardai Taksal' has been linked to the Nirmala. i may have missed it on a old thread but from my recollection cannot recall it coming up on a thread before. Bahadur this isn't one of your make it up on the moment things is it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Is there any mentioning of damdami taksal in any of the great historical scriptures such as suraj parkarsh, panth parkash etc ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 No mention of Taksal in any of the itihasak granths 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Why would the creation of a school of knowledge and exegesis not be mentioned in these books? especially since it was one of the major events that took place at Maharajs stay in damdama area. its a bit suspicios that taksal is not mentioned anywhere untill beginning of 1900 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 amardeep, i m sure they existed, they might have been known as different name. One thing we have to remember its - taksal its very generic term used many times by rara sahib, reru sahib, hoti mardan, harkhowale upsamparda's to describe their lineage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Why do you expect it to be mentioned? The Bhai Daya Singh Samparda doesn't get a mention either, yet it goes back to Bhai Daya Singh from the original 5 Pyare. It is interesting to note that if you read about the jeevans of Mahapursh from the various Jathey, going back up to the 1700s, many of them were taught by a Taksali Ustaad at some stage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 many of them were taught by a Taksali Ustaad at some stage. I have read otherwise from janam sakhiyas- many mahapursh were taught by nirmale and udasis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 I have read otherwise from janam sakhiyas- many mahapursh were taught by nirmale and udasis. That's a good point. During the olden days, the Nirmale and Udasins were the keepers of knowledge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Again going back to the time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji there were possibly between 5 - 10 Nirmalae Mahaprush as with Taksal. The one thing that does appea in the Sri Sooraj Prakash is the creation od the Damdama Bir at Damdama Sahib and the Singhs being taught katha so that it could later be passed on from Ustaad to shish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Kam1825, which Rut and which page of the Sooraj Parkash mentions Damdami Bir, please advise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 I will find it for you this weekend, not got the Sooraj Prakash with me on these computers and cant download at work 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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