Mr Sardar Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Just a copy paste off a Muslim site, actually displaying something, but some of these things are mentioned in other sources. for instance Max Arthur MacAuliffe who published a huge set of volumes on Sikhism converted to Sikhism (on his death bed his last action was doing japji sahib) the English gentleman used some of the best scholars of that time, gianis to help him make his books, some things he mentioned controversy were that the Gurus allowed Sikhs to eat meat it own topic, he also mentioned Guru Gobind Singh had 3 wife's. Now these days if you talk to someone about this, they loose there temper instead of issuing an intelligent answer. There is a video on youtube from Goora Sikhs who claimed they studied some historical books and claim he had 2 wife's simultaneously and were married at young age, and was normal at that time. But for Sikhs we see the Gurus life the life Sikhs should live, but maryada forbids polygamy. Below from site: - http://www.islamawareness.net/Polygamy/pol...rticle0003.html Polygamy is wide spread among different cultures of the world. According to one study out of '853' cultures only 16 percent stipulate monogamy. Historically most of the Sikh kings practiced polygamy in 18th and 19th centuary. The Guru Amar Dass ji has clearly defined that conjugal relationship has to be two bodies and one soul phenomenon. It vividly conforms to the monogamy idealism. It appears very paradoxical and enigmatic to a student of Sikh history when one confronts the practice of polygamy by some Sikh Gurus. Historically the following Gurus had more than one wife. 1. Guru Arjan Dev. Wives - Ram Deyi, daughter of Surri Khatri (Charan Dass) of village Mour married year Bik 1622. Guruji was 11 years old at that time Guru Amar Dass was on Guru Gaddi. (Ref. DR. Gopal Singh, Kesar Singh Chibbar, Mohinder Kaur Gill) *** It is a controversial issue among the Sikh historians - Ganga devi 2. Guru Hargobind Wives - Damodri Devi - Nanki Devi - Maha Devi 3. Guru Hari Rai Wives - Prem Kaur - Chand Kaur - Anokhi Devi - Ram Kaur - Laddli - Krishan Kaur - Kalyani 4. Guru Gobind Singh Wives - Sahib Kaur Ji - Jeeto Rani - Sundri Devi Many causes about the practice of polygamy among the humans have been sited by eminent scholars... Helen Fisher states that men seek polygamy to spread their genes while women join harems to acquire resources and ensure the survival of their young. Polygamy enables men to have more children. Most of the scientific evidence stacks up in favor of monogamy. Desmond Morris summarised the explanations by saying that the pair bonding is a trademark of humans. But, even then the question arises, why Some Gurus did practice it? Most of Sikh scholars never touch the subject probably due to the divinity and spirituality associated with Sikh Gurus. Very few explanations have been given which can be summarised as such... 1. It was the Divine will. 2. One should not raise the issue as they were super humans and their life incidents are beyond the comprehension of commoners. 3. With improved economy of Guru Ghars, the Gurus could afford multiple marriages... Spirituality, Awarness, Enlightment has nothing to do with polygamy, monogamy, hetrosexuality and homosextuality. This state of being is above and beyond all this. Guru Amar Dass Ji thus said bhu ByK kir BrmweIAY min ihrdY kptu kmwie ] (26-13, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) People wear all sorts of costumes and wander all around, but in their hearts and minds, they practice deception. hir kw mhlu n pwveI mir ivstw mwih smwie ]1] (26-14, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) They do not attain the Mansion of the Lord's Presence, and after death, they sink into manure. ||1|| mn ry igRh hI mwih audwsu ] (26-14, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) O mind, remain detached in the midst of your household. scu sMjmu krxI so kry gurmuiK hoie prgwsu ]1] rhwau ] (26-15, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) Practicing truth, self-discipline and good deeds, the Gurmukh is enlightened. ||1||Pause|| gur kY sbid mnu jIiqAw giq mukiq GrY mih pwie ] (26-15, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, the mind is conquered, and one attains the State of Liberation in one's own home. hir kw nwmu iDAweIAY sqsMgiq myil imlwie ]2] (26-16, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) So meditate on the Name of the Lord; join and merge with the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation. ||2|| jy lK iesqrIAw Bog krih nv KMf rwju kmwih ] (26-16, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) You may enjoy the pleasures of hundreds of thousands of women, and rule the nine continents of the world. ibnu siqgur suKu n pwveI iPir iPir jonI pwih ]3] (26-17, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) But without the True Guru, you will not find peace; you will be reincarnated over and over again. ||3|| hir hwru kMiT ijnI pihirAw gur crxI icqu lwie ] (26-18, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) Those who wear the Necklace of the Lord around their necks, and focus their consciousness on the Guru's Feet iqnw ipCY iriD isiD iPrY Enw iqlu n qmwie ]4] (26-18, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) -wealth and supernatural spiritual powers follow them, but they do not care for such things at all. ||4|| jo pRB BwvY so QIAY Avru n krxw jwie ] (26-19, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) Whatever pleases God's Will comes to pass. Nothing else can be done. jnu nwnku jIvY nwmu lY hir dyvhu shij suBwie ]5]2]35] (26-19, isrIrwgu, mhlw 3) Servant Nanak lives by chanting the Naam. O Lord, please give it to me, in Your Natural Way. ||5||2||35|| Guru Arjan Dev ji also said... Awsw mhlw 5 ] (385-1) Aasaa, Fifth Mehl: pwvqu rlIAw jobin blIAw ] (385-1, Awsw, mhlw 5) The mortal revels in joy, in the vigor of youth; nwm ibnw mwtI sMig rlIAw ]1] (385-1, Awsw, mhlw 5) but without the Name, he mingles with dust. ||1|| kwn kuMflIAw bsqR EFlIAw ] (385-2, Awsw, mhlw 5) He may wear ear-rings and fine clothes, syj suKlIAw min grblIAw ]1] rhwau ] (385-2, Awsw, mhlw 5) and have a comfortable bed, and his mind may be so proud. ||1||Pause|| qlY kuMcrIAw isir kink CqrIAw ] (385-3, Awsw, mhlw 5) He may have elephants to ride, and golden umbrellas over his head; hir Bgiq ibnw ly Drin gflIAw ]2] (385-3, Awsw, mhlw 5) but without devotional worship to the Lord, he is buried beneath the dirt. ||2|| rUp suMdrIAw Aink iesqrIAw ] (385-4, Awsw, mhlw 5) He may enjoy many women, of exquisite beauty; hir rs ibnu siB suAwd iPkrIAw ]3] (385-4, Awsw, mhlw 5) but without the sublime essence of the Lord, all tastes are tasteless. ||3|| mwieAw ClIAw ibkwr ibKlIAw ] (385-4, Awsw, mhlw 5) Deluded by Maya, the mortal is led into sin and corruption. srix nwnk pRB purK dieAlIAw ]4]4]55] (385-5, Awsw, mhlw 5) Nanak seeks the Sanctuary of God, the All-powerful, Compassionate Lord. ||4||4||55|| 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 There is a pauri in Bhai Gurdass vaars that says something like "The sikh of the Guru lives in celibacy by marrying one wife only"... So i do not think sikhs are allowed to marry more than one woman... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 There is a pauri in Bhai Gurdass vaars that says something like "The sikh of the Guru lives in celibacy by marrying one wife only"... So i do not think sikhs are allowed to marry more than one woman... depends on how you look at the vaar. the key words you mention are "celibacy" and "one". my own view of this vaar , probably wrong is that atma(soul-bride) being commited to ONE waheguru. and the celibacy being that one does not look elsewhere. Bhai Gurdas could not write one wife only, in the time of Pancham Patshah who had 2 wives. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Is there a concencus among scholars that Guru Arjan had 2 wives? This is the first time i heard this. I thought Guru Har Gobind maharaj was the first Guru to have multiple wives.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Khalsa Fauj Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Guru Arjan Ji had 1 wife Guru Hargobind Ji had 1 wife Guru Har Rai Ji had 1 wife Guru Gobind Singh Ji had 1 wife If wife dies, person is allowed to remarry as per Gurmat. Bhai Gurdas says Eka Naaree Jatee Hoaye Par Naaree Dhee Bhen Bakhanai Even in Gurbani, we see the word naaree. Naaree is a singular and if there were more wives allowed, it would have been ghar kee naarin instead of Ghar Kee Naar teaagai andhaaa Some Gurbani quotes are below: ਘਰ ਕੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਤਿਆਗੈ ਅੰਧਾ ॥ ਪਰ ਨਾਰੀ ਸਿਉ ਘਾਲੈ ਧੰਧਾ ॥ {ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੬੫} Ghar Kee Naar Teaagai Andhaa || Par Naaree Seo Ghaalai Dhandhaa || A morally blind person leaves his wife and looks to indulge with other women. Guru Gobind Singh Ji only had 1 wife. Even poet Raam agrees to this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 This topic has been highly discussed and debated before, please look at the below link: http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=2472 If you have anything to add, please don't hesitate to add on the link above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 From the below (Bhai Gurdas jee's Vaaran), it seems that polygamy is prohibited in Sikhism. ਦੁਹ ਨਾਰੀ ਦਾ ਦੂਲਹਾ ਦੁਹ ਮੁਨਸਾ ਦੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਵਿਣਸੈ। Duh Naaree Daa Valahaa Duhu Mounasaa Dee Naari Vinasai. दुह नारी दा वलहा दुहु मुणसा दी नारि विणसै । Husband of two women and the wife of two husbands are bound to perish; Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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