Prof. Darshan Singh

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Prof. Darshan Singh will be doing kirtan at Sikh Lehar today.

[amardeep]

His kirtan is beautiful. its a shame he became a heretic

[Mithar]

His kirtan is beautiful. its a shame he became a heretic

True. I used to be such a fan of his kirtan. This man had so much respect in the panth at one point.

[singh2]

Sell outs are like kanjars and will fade out with time.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Inder, do you have any input or just foul language? Admins should take note. He is ex-Jathedar of AKaal Takht and resigned himself instead of selling out. So your logic of him being a sellout doesn't apply. Please try something else.

[singh2]

Inder, do you have any input or just foul language? Admins should take note. He is ex-Jathedar of AKaal Takht and resigned himself instead of selling out. So your logic of him being a sellout doesn't apply. Please try something else.

It very much applies to him more than anybody else. He is disowning bani for which he was doing kirtan all his life.

Earned his living and made money out of that. At fag end of his life he is bad mouthing that Bani.

That clearly says that he is a sell out. The other word is traitor. I will use that word for him now.

Edited September 1, 2009 by singh2

[panthdardi]

It very much applies to him more than anybody else. He is disowning bani for which he was doing kirtan all his life.

Earned his living and made money out of that. At fag end of his life he is bad mouthing that Bani.

That clearly says that he is a sell out. The other word is traitor. I will use that word for him now.

He is definatley not atraitor, all he is saying Guru Granth Sahib Is Supreme and our Guru no other granth is equal to Sri guru granth sahib

evrn some people (Dasam Granth Supporters) recons some parts of this is translation of hindu granths like Markanda granth, so if we do not respect hindu granths why should its translation can be our guru that would be disrespect to Sri guru Granth Sahib

[singh2]

He is definatley not atraitor, all he is saying Guru Granth Sahib Is Supreme and our Guru no other granth is equal to Sri guru granth sahib

evrn some people (Dasam Granth Supporters) recons some parts of this is translation of hindu granths like Markanda granth, so if we do not respect hindu granths why should its translation can be our guru that would be disrespect to Sri guru Granth Sahib

No sikh ever said that SGGS is not our guru. Darshan singh makes up stories himself. These are proaganda tactics.

Whole panth is Dasam granth supporter as that is our second most sacred scripture. Till some time back Darshan singh himslef used to sing bani from Dasam granth. Why suddent change now and that too when he is above seventy years old.

Had you read Dasam granth you would not have written it as translation of markandey granth. It is not translation but selective portions are rewritten to bring those in line with sikh philosophy.

[panthdardi]

No sikh ever said that SGGS is not our guru. Darshan singh makes up stories himself. These are proaganda tactics.

Whole panth is Dasam granth supporter as that is our second most sacred scripture. Till some time back Darshan singh himslef used to sing bani from Dasam granth. Why suddent change now and that too when he is above seventy years old.

Had you read Dasam granth you would not have written it as translation of markandey granth. It is not translation but selective portions are rewritten to bring those in line with sikh philosophy.

Yes I have read few chapters from Chritro pakhyan translation in punjabi provided by Gobind sadan sant Virsa Singh it is like reading dirty book I am Not arguing here if is written by Sri guru Gobind singh ji or not.Guru ji might be telling us this Gand is in hindu granths so be carefull of it.

My point is a sikh can make mistake but our guru is 100% Perfect and our tenth guru Added Guru Teg Bahadur's Bani to Guru Granth Sahib, Guru ji could added his own under Mahala 10 if he wanted to and gurugadi is only given to guru granth sahib and every sikh should respect that, we should not try to be wiser than guru.

There are few people who doing dasam granth parkash with guru granth sahib ji which Prof Darshan Singh Recons is disrespect to Guru granth Sahib Ji and I agree with it

Thsre are new dasam granths published with Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as a Title has anybody got a right to change the title Name? which has been changed 6 times

Dasam in small letters trying to hide it

[Kam1825]

i think if you look at puratan birs of the guru granth sahib ji you will find mahalla 10 as well!

[panthdardi]

i think if you look at puratan birs of the guru granth sahib ji you will find mahalla 10 as well!

I don't think so and Which Puratan Bir?

[singh2]

Yes I have read few chapters from Chritro pakhyan translation in punjabi provided by Gobind sadan sant Virsa Singh it is like reading dirty book I am Not arguing here if is written by Sri guru Gobind singh ji or not.Guru ji might be telling us this Gand is in hindu granths so be carefull of it.

Those persons who have gand mentality themselves will view such moral imparting writings as gand.Sikhs could display moral character of very high calibre after reading Charitropakhayan during wars. But old haggards in their seventies who sermonise to others were caught in acts of moral turpitude in canada. I am referring to great gand kala afghana defacto guru of anti dasam granth brigade.

Can you tell us what is the format of writing of charitropakhayan?

My point is a sikh can make mistake but our guru is 100% Perfect and our tenth guru Added Guru Teg Bahadur's Bani to Guru Granth Sahib, Guru ji could added his own under Mahala 10 if he wanted to and gurugadi is only given to guru granth sahib and every sikh should respect that, we should not try to be wiser than guru

.

Do not peddle the oft repeated kid's nonsense to us. he was Guru of sikhs and he acn write as he thougt it appropriate. Who are we to question his decision.

There are few people who doing dasam granth parkash with guru granth sahib ji which Prof Darshan Singh Recons is disrespect to Guru granth Sahib Ji and I agree with it

There is nothing wrong if parkash of tenth master's writings is done. Need to remember that it is done at a lower level than SGGS ji. The parkash is done to read it.

Also please let us know how Darshan Singh became professor? What are his academic achievements to be called a profeesor? What is his qualification? I read he is 10 grade pass. Then who made him a professor? Why such people attach phoney titles with them?

Thsre are new dasam granths published with Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as a Title has anybody got a right to change the title Name? which has been changed 6 times

Dasam in small letters trying to hide it

A very childish proposition. had you read the details regarding this you would not have raised this question. There is no bad intention behind this. This has occurred when proper proof reading was not done by publishers Gulab singh of Lahore.

By the way heavens are not going to fall if it is written like that. those who do not acknowledge the writings of their father are known as ill begotten

Edited September 16, 2009 by singh2

[singh2]

Yes I have read few chapters from Chritro pakhyan translation in punjabi provided by Gobind sadan sant Virsa Singh it is like reading dirty book I am Not arguing here if is written by Sri guru Gobind singh ji or not.Guru ji might be telling us this Gand is in hindu granths so be carefull of i

before writing lies here please check the facts. Gobind sadan has not translated charitropakhayan yet.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

It very much applies to him more than anybody else. He is disowning bani for which he was doing kirtan all his life.

Earned his living and made money out of that. At fag end of his life he is bad mouthing that Bani.

That clearly says that he is a sell out. The other word is traitor. I will use that word for him now.

Inder Ji,

Namastang Namastang Namastang Bhavani!

mod's edit

I am not sure how changing view over time over a topic is selling out. That is like calling Bidhi Chand a sell out for not doing theft anymore. If you listen to his tracks, he has made this change gradually, not a day thing. It is like calling Khalistanis sellouts for not having faith in India after learning its reality. That is like calling a devi bhagat turned Sikh a sell-out.

before writing lies here please check the facts. Gobind sadan has not translated charitropakhayan yet.

Who runs www.dasamgranth.org?

Inder Ji or Gobind Sadan?

Namastang Namastang Namastang Bhavani!

mod's edit

[Kam1825]

panth dardi have a look at the site ragmalagurbanihai.com and view the photo below. as you can see in the top of the laft hand panna, it says mahalla 10. it also states it in baba deep singh ji and bhai mani singh ji's birs.

http://www.ragmalagurbanihai.info/gallery/Fgallery2-6.jpg

[panthdardi]

panth dardi have a look at the site ragmalagurbanihai.com and view the photo below. as you can see in the top of the laft hand panna, it says mahalla 10. it also states it in baba deep singh ji and bhai mani singh ji's birs.

http://www.ragmalagurbanihai.info/gallery/Fgallery2-6.jpg

Thanks sending that link, Ican see that but the shabad next to it is guru teg bahadur ji's which is in every SGSS Bir under Mahalla 9

as I said before, a sikh can make a mistake But not our Guru and gurgadi is given to SGGS

[singh2]

Inder Ji,

Namastang Namastang Namastang Bhavani!

mod's edit

I am not sure how changing view over time over a topic is selling out. That is like calling Bidhi Chand a sell out for not doing theft anymore. If you listen to his tracks, he has made this change gradually, not a day thing. It is like calling Khalistanis sellouts for not having faith in India after learning its reality. That is like calling a devi bhagat turned Sikh a sell-out.

Who runs www.dasamgranth.org?

Inder Ji or Gobind Sadan?

Namastang Namastang Namastang Bhavani!

mod's edit

He was always a traitor. While a jathedar of akal takhat he was hobnobbing with Shushil muni an agent of center. That is written in book " Open secrets" by MK Dhar.When sikh boys were being hounded in Punjab darshan singh was bootlicking enemies of sikhs.

Now he is name calling the banis that he sang all his life. he has not been able to understand the banis as he has limitations in comprehension because of a limited mental ability. These banis were sacred for him when he was making money by singing those. Now he is making money by playing into the hands of anti sikh elements.

If he does not believe in Dasam granth sahib, why does not leave panth. He will not do that unless he is kicked out with all other scycophants.Why do not you bring him to the seminar in November? We invite him for that.

Have you seen site of Gobin sadan. There is no translation of charitropakhayan.

[Kam1825]

Panthdardi, that one salok in The Salok Mahalla 9 is by guru gobind singh ji and is a reply to the previous dohra by guru tegh bahadur ji which they uttered in delhi, it was to prove their was no difference between the 9th and 10th guru.

That is how the puraan saroops were. Ther Guru's Sikh who were directed under the guru to scribe the sri guru granth sahib did not make a mistake the sikhs of later generations made of the mistake of take the mahalla 10 out. Now it looks as if guru tegh bahadur ji contradict themselves from one dohra to the other

[panthdardi]

He was always a traitor. While a jathedar of akal takhat he was hobnobbing with Shushil muni an agent of center. That is written in book " Open secrets" by MK Dhar.When sikh boys were being hounded in Punjab darshan singh was bootlicking enemies of sikhs.

Now he is name calling the banis that he sang all his life. he has not been able to understand the banis as he has limitations in comprehension because of a limited mental ability. These banis were sacred for him when he was making money by singing those. Now he is making money by playing into the hands of anti sikh elements.

If he does not believe in Dasam granth sahib, why does not leave panth. He will not do that unless he is kicked out with all other scycophants.Why do not you bring him to the seminar in November? We invite him for that.

Have you seen site of Gobin sadan. There is no translation of charitropakhayan.

Inder Ji, I think Gobind sadan took that off,But I did download the whole translation from their website last year and I still got it it is in PDF format I will look on the internet again if i find it Iwill post the link.

I think Prof darshan Singh ji done MA in Sangeet but on gurbani he has been searcher all his life and have more knowledge then any prof

Here is question for you

is this right

ਸਕਲ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਜੋ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਕੋ ਕਰਤ ਬਿਸਵਾਸ॥ ਸਾਤਿ ਦਿਵਸ ਭੀਤਰ ਤੁਰਤੁ ਹੋਤ ਤਵਨ ਕੋ ਨਾਸ॥ 11॥ ਜੋ ਨਰ ਕਾਹੂ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਕੋ ਦੇਤ ਆਪਨੋ ਚਿੱਤ॥ ਤਾ ਨਰ ਕੌ ਇਹ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਹੋਤ ਖੁਆਰੀ ਨਿੱਤ॥ 12॥ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਪੰਨਾ 829॥ ਇਸ ਜਗਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਵੀ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਇਸਤਰੀ ਤੇ ਵਿਸ਼ਵਾਸ਼ ਕਰੇਗਾ ਉਸ ਦਾ ਸੱਤਾਂ ਦਿਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਅੰਦਰ ਨਾਸ ਹੋ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ ਅਤੇ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਆਪਣੇ ਦਿਲ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਔਰਤ ਨੂੰ ਦੱਸੇਗਾ ਉਸਦੀ ਇਸ ਜਗਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਹਰ ਰੋਜ ਖੁਆਰੀ ਹੋਵੇਗੀ। ਦੱਸੋ ਔਰਤਾਂ ਦਾ ਕੀ ਕਰੀਏ?

or this right below

so kio ma(n)dhaa aakheeai jith ja(n)mehi raajaan in SGGS

and I can raise 101 questions where views SGGS and Dasam granth Does not Match

and Guru gobind singh ji's views were same as Guru Nanak that's why Gurgadi was given to SGGS

[panthdardi]

Panthdardi, that one salok in The Salok Mahalla 9 is by guru gobind singh ji and is a reply to the previous dohra by guru tegh bahadur ji which they uttered in delhi, it was to prove their was no difference between the 9th and 10th guru.

That is how the puraan saroops were. Ther Guru's Sikh who were directed under the guru to scribe the sri guru granth sahib did not make a mistake the sikhs of later generations made of the mistake of take the mahalla 10 out. Now it looks as if guru tegh bahadur ji contradict themselves from one dohra to the other

I think Both slokes are from Mahalla 9 and I agree 100% theris no difference all 10 Gurus. But if you look all the rehtnamas their views does not match sometimes, so sikhs can make mistake. but I am not arguing about that both shabads in SGGS and are our Guru. none of the Dasam Granth bani is in SGGS and Gurgadi given to SGGS only and Dasam granth's name changed 7 times in last 2 Centuries, Bachiter Natak was the first name and now they are calling Dasam sri guru granth Sahib,

and the danger is but will happen next 100 years will they take word dasam off and then they start gurugadi is given to this SGGS not this one.

Edited September 17, 2009 by panthdardi

[singh2]

I do not buy this. He has not seen even the gates of any university or a college. I will request you to let me know where did he do his MA? He is a 10th grader ragi. He can sing from a handwritten paper in front of him. He has no knowledge to interpret Gurbani.

For charitropakhayan discussions there is a separate section earmarked by administrator of this site where one is supposed to post his queries. This is the only way to control heretics who have no subject while discussing Dasam granth sahib. They hover from one topic to another just to sidetrack the serious discussion. This time i will reply your query here but next time post it in the relevant section.

Did you read the first verse of this charitra no 15 ( do not forget to quote the charitra Number). It says

katha Chatardas mantar bar nirp sau kahi bakhan

sunat reejh ke nirap rahe adhik diyo teh daan

( Like this The good Minister recited the fourteenth charitra to his king

Hearing this king got pleased and gave a lot of money to His minister)

And then read concluding part

It sri chartira pakhayane Triya charitre mantri Bhup-sambade

Pandarsom charitra samapat sat subham sat

( Here ends the the fifteenth charitra of charitropakhayan

a dialogue between Minister and his King)

So mr panth dardi it is a story being told by a minister to his king. How did you assume that it is an advice of Guru sahib to his sikhs?You people have to understand the art of story telling first before you comment on these charitras. There you need knowledge of literature which darshan singhias lack very badly.

The same nonsense Darshan singh is preaching to audience in various Gurudwaras about charitras without understanding that these are not real and is a dialogue between a Minister and his king. He has been told this. But he has no brain to understand this. This exposes inadequacy of his mental development. Had he been a gurmukh ( which he is not) he would have known this.His lies will be exposed soon and time will come when he will be shown the door.

Already Gursikhs are working to expose thuggery of this thug and we will have results soon.

Read below the booklet brought out by some Gursikhs of vancouver, BC.

Dasmesh Baani Tarak Mochan.pdf

Edited September 18, 2009 by singh2

[panthdardi]

For charitropakhayan discussions there is a separate section earmarked by administrator of this site where one is supposed to post his queries. This is the only way to control heretics who have no subject while discussing Dasam granth sahib. They hover from one topic to another just to sidetrack the serious discussion. This time i will reply your query here but next time post it in the relevant section.

Did you read the first verse of this charitra no 15 ( do not forget to quote the charitra Number). It says

katha Chatardas mantar bar nirp sau kahi bakhan

sunat reejh ke nirap rahe adhik diyo teh daan

( Like this The good Minister recited the fourteenth charitra to his king

Hearing this king got pleased and gave a lot of money to His minister)

And then read concluding part

It sri chartira pakhayane Triya charitre mantri Bhup-sambade

Pandarsom charitra samapat sat subham sat

( Here ends the the fifteenth charitra of charitropakhayan

a dialogue between Minister and his King)

So mr panth dardi it is a story being told by a minister to his king. How did you assume that it is an advice of Guru sahib to his sikhs?You people have to understand the art of story telling first before you comment on these charitras. There you need knowledge of literature which darshan singhias lack very badly.

The same nonsense Darshan singh is preaching to audience in various Gurudwaras about charitras without understanding that these are not real and is a dialogue between a Minister and his king. He has been told this. But he has no brain to understand this. This exposes inadequacy of his mental development. Had he been a gurmukh ( which he is not) he would have known this.His lies will be exposed soon and time will come when he will be shown the door.

Already Gursikhs are working to expose thuggery of this thug and we will have results soon.

Read below the booklet brought out by some Gursikhs of vancouver, BC.

Dasmesh Baani Tarak Mochan.pdf

Inder JI

Ok if that is not advice (Updesh) to the sikhs, then why people call sri dasam guru granth sahib when our guru SGGS gives us advice (updesh) in every shabad.

and I have not changed the topic, You guys dislike Prof Darshan Singh Ji because of Dasam Granth and you still have not awnsered my previous Question. I have watched Prof Darshan Singh live and videos many times he does not need any hand written script so please Jhoot na Bol Pandey Sach Kaheeaa

[singh2]

Inder JI

Ok if that is not advice (Updesh) to the sikhs, then why people call sri dasam guru granth sahib when our guru SGGS gives us advice (updesh) in every shabad.

and I have not changed the topic, You guys dislike Prof Darshan Singh Ji because of Dasam Granth and you still have not awnsered my previous Question. I have watched Prof Darshan Singh live and videos many times he does not need any hand written script so please Jhoot na Bol Pandey Sach Kaheeaa

This thread is about Darshan singh. Focus on that.

Where is his academic background? What college he attended for MA degree? The fact is that he is 10th grade and did not go to any college. now you are caught on your lies and trying to wiggle out ?

You are also caught while propagating lies of Darshan singh about charitropakhyan. You still do not understand that charitropakhyan are stories being told by a minister to his king. These are not real happenings. had you understood that you would not have written back in the same ignorant style.It is sheer stupidity to peddle these stories as real. Do you find whole SGGS as talking only about saintly persons? No not at all. There are refrences in SGGS to thugs, thieves, liars, persons of bad character, persons indulging in ex marital affairs and they include both males and females. You need to read it first.

Darshan singh has his training as a Ragi and that is what he did all his life. How can he become an interpreter of Gurbani? How can he become a historian? These fields are different and distinct. He is ignorant as far as interpretation of Gurbani is concerned.

Edited September 18, 2009 by singh2

[singh2]

7 times in last 2 Centuries, Bachiter Natak was the first name and now they are calling Dasam sri guru granth Sahib,

and the danger is but will happen next 100 years will they take word dasam off and then they start gurugadi is given to this SGGS not this one.

Please list the names here of Dasam Granth from the beginning? Your answer above is mischief laden.

No sikh says that Gurgaddi is not given to SGGS. These are stories you people are trained to fabricate.

Nothing is going to happen in the next 100 years. Only thing that is going to happen is that slanderers of Dasam Pita's bani will be confined to archives of history. Their plans to attack SGGS after Dasam granth will not succeed.

[singh2]

Inder JI

Ok if that is not advice (Updesh) to the sikhs, then why people call sri dasam guru granth sahib when our guru SGGS gives us advice (updesh) in every shabad.

The above is a lie. Please provide evidence.