SinghMunda Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 Do we have joth in memory of matyrs or something? Also, does toof keep away evil spirits? I just wanted to clear this matter up. And, if u kept too much toof on, wouldn't it be bad for your lungs, like pasive smoking? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kaur1699 Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 Fateh Ji, Godd questions, I am not too sure about the Jot, but some years back my Kirtan teacher was telling us about the toof, and he said that back in the day it was used to perfume/freshen the air and he thinks that its no longer required now as we have all other things to do that for example perfumes/air freshners etc etc... Also thats a good point about the passive smoking type effect (I have often thought that while 'smoke' whisped past my head :? ), I suppose it depends on what the toof is made up off... If there are any harmful things in it (I don't know what toof is made up off) then I suppose it could have an effect on the body... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r k Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 According to the Sikh Rehat Maryada, Sikhs are told not to believe in magic, spells, incantation, omens, etc... And are also not supposed to keep Diva's - (the ceremony of keeping an oil lamp lit for 360 days after a person's death, in the belief that that lights the path of the deceased).. So you said some people keep Diva's for shaheeds - well that's against Gursikhi, we should just do ardaas for them and try to live our lives dedicated to their sacrifices.. A Diva does nothing. Sikhs are also not supposed to believe in using Toofs or whatever to keep evil spirits away. If someone is 'possessed' or even confronted by evil spirits, they're supposed to do a sehaj paath and some people have even contacted the Panj Pyare when a matter like this comes up.. But toofs, and wearing black necklaces and putting black dots on your face -- that's all Anti - Gurmat and it wont really protect you from anything anyway, only Guru Jee can protect you from, well, anything really.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str8_desified Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 wut about joth...wut is the purpose of that? During an akhand path there is one lit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r k Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 do you mean joth as in a diva or just a normal candle or ...? i don't think i've ever seen that at a gurdwara...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Diva Mera Ek Naam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str8_desified Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 yea i guess its a diva...not a candle i dunno if they do it at gurdwara..but when we had an akhand path at our house there was one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh khalistan da Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 So you said some people keep Diva's for shaheeds - well that's against Gursikhi well said jee. in presence of guru maharaj(sggsjee), v r nt supposed 2 lite candle or diwa. one think 2 clarify here is i hav seen in many houses tat when a person dies, at his bhog ceremony, they keep photo of tat person in front of guru maharaj da sarop. even tats also wrong. inside gurudwara n guru maharaj di hazoori v r nt supposed 2 hang any photo, pic of a person. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 I think jyot is used as a mataphor to describe waheguru. But other than that it doesn't serve any purpose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dassan das Posted July 20, 2003 Report Share Posted July 20, 2003 divas are very importent the sent given off from a pure butter dive is food for sheeds and that's a fact. where ever there is a desi ghee joht there will be sheeds present 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gursj Posted July 20, 2003 Report Share Posted July 20, 2003 SSA not only at homes but also in gurdwara i have seen that when there is akandh paath a lamp or jyot of desi ghee is kept alight dont know much about it though the reason behind it...... dont remember where but at least in one of the takaths when they do evening aarti they light up a lamp...now what explains that.... Wjkk Wjkf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r k Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 divas are very importent the sent given off from a pure butter dive is food for sheeds and that's a fact. where ever there is a desi ghee joht there will be sheeds present :? :? :? what are u talking about veerjee try to re-read jsb's post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kaur1699 Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Fateh Ji, I was told today ( by a Aunty Ji at the Gurdwara) that jyots were used in the past when there was not electricity etc to provide light during the continuous reading of Guru Sahib, hence the need for the source of light back then... a jyot I don't know whether the use of a jyot slowly turned into tradition or there is some other reason behind the jyot... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 yeh kaur thats what i heard too - incase power cuts off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r k Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 yeah kaur, that could be true, but i still think many people use it for the wrong reasons -- like how some of the people were saying that diva's are put in guru jee's hazoori to bring shaheeds there or whatever :? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh khalistan da Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 at least in one of the takaths when they do evening aarti they light up a lamp i think u r talking abt takht sri hazoor sahib jee. they r doing it frm so many years back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh khalistan da Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 butter dive is food for sheeds shahhed singhs eat also ? where ever there is a desi ghee joht there will be sheeds present daan daaswat u wana say is without diwas, no shahhed singhs will come. theres nthing like tat. shaheed singhs r everywhere n they duna need desi ghees diwa 2 come. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh khalistan da Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 What is the meaning of Aarti? A. Sant Giani Naranjan Singh Ji: When a person cries out in helplessness to God from his innermost being, the words or Shabad that comes become Aarti. It means 'benti' or 'terla' or begging in ardas. To surrender completely to one's Guru Ji. When a human being becomes helpless, he then surrenders. Surrender should be complete . Aarti should be done like a servant or jachak. Worldly people have made Aarti into an outward show. "His Aarti, his lamp-lit worship service, is the Kirtan of His Praises, which brings lasting bliss." (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee 393) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khandaydhaar Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 What is the meaning of Aarti? A. Sant Giani Naranjan Singh Ji: When a person cries out in helplessness to God from his innermost being, the words or Shabad that comes become Aarti. It means 'benti' or 'terla' or begging in ardas. To surrender completely to one's Guru Ji. When a human being becomes helpless, he then surrenders. Surrender should be complete . Aarti should be done like a servant or jachak. Worldly people have made Aarti into an outward show. this is so true..ive been through it and felt it...God really helps when u pray like that...at a stage like that only God can help... fateh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinghMunda Posted July 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 thanks for all replies thus far 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gursj Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 i think u r talking abt takht sri hazoor sahib jee. they r doing it frm so many years back. yes could be hazoor sahib but what i dont understand is that whats the purpose of saying "gagan me thaal" and "chand deepak " when you are actualy doing a aarti with a lamp. and its not just lighting the lamp but using it to do the aarti now dont know when this tradition started and why is it that it is not like that at other takaths. wjkk wjkf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh khalistan da Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 when this tradition started and why is it that it is not like that at other takaths. coz tis takht is not in punjab. after guruji, da adminstration was in hands of locals. i think tat as majority was hindus, they started doing aarti wit diwas as according 2 their religion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K4ur Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 na i think its cus they keep the 5 elements nxt to GGSJ. Dont know why. Keep water there too, light is spose to represent fire... dont know about the rest. Sowwie if im wrong!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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