Reality Of Sexual Grooming Gangs In The Uk - Please Share

[taran0]

What the government DIDN'T want you to see!

The children's commisioner Sue Berelowitz released a report today showing that 27% of cases of gang-based child abuse known to the authorities are Asian.

BUT the report fails to mention the fact that it is mainly

PAKISTANI MEN!

In a response to this failure of of the government, the SAS (Sikh Awareness Society) has conducted an interview with The Times journalist Andrew Norfolk who has researched this issue. He comes to the conclusion that they are predominately from the PAKISTANI MUSLIM community.

Please share this video to raise awareness and safeguard our children from these evil twisted pedophiles.

We all know what has been happening in our community for years, the government is finally being forced to do something and they are trying to avoid saying what the truth really is, so we need to spread this video to all sikhs and non sikhs so they can hear it for themselves.

[SURYADEV]

Another REALITY from the Dutch side. Over there it seem the pattern is repeated, but with Morrocan and Turkish men.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237170/A-feminist-revolution-cruelly-backfired--brutal-lesson-Britain-telling-truth-sex-gangs-race.html

A feminist revolution that cruelly backfired - and a brutal lesson for Britain about telling the truth on sex gangs and race

By Sue Reid

PUBLISHED: 01:42, 23 November 2012 | UPDATED: 07:47, 23 November 2012

Seven girls laugh together at the supper table. One talks of her sister, a fashion model signed with a famous London agency. Another mentions her married brother, an artist in the north of England. A third — 17 with blonde hair tucked under an Alice band — says she plans to become a beautician on a cruise ship.

At the small house, the blinds are closed so no one can peep in. Two terriers and a bull mastiff bark ferociously if there is a footstep outside the bolted front door.

For these middle-class girls, groomed into sex slavery by street gangs, have been rescued and are living in a safe house a few miles from De Wallen, the notorious red-light area of Holland’s capital, Amsterdam.

Too ashamed to tell parents or teachers, the girls are cynically isolated from their old lives and swept into prostitution

They are the lucky ones. Thousands of other young Dutch girls, some only 11 or 12 years old, are still in the power of the prowling gangs after a controversial social experiment to legalise brothels.

In a chilling parallel to the scandal sweeping Britain’s towns and cities, where a multitude of girls have been lured into sex-for-sale rings run by gangs, the Dutch pimps search out girls at school gates and in cafes, posing as ‘boyfriends’ promising romance, fast car rides and restaurant meals.

The men ply their victims with vodka and drugs. They tell them lies: that they love them and their families don’t care for them. Then, the trap set, they rape them with other gang members, often taking photos of the attack to blackmail the girl into submission.

Befuddled, frightened, and too ashamed to tell parents or teachers, the girls are cynically isolated from their old lives and swept into prostitution.

So dangerous are the gangs that the girls at the safe house never venture out alone, and when they have a coffee together in the back garden they are not allowed to talk about their past in case neighbours overhear.

Holland's newly legal sex industry was quickly infiltrated by street-grooming gangs with one target: the under-age virgin who can be sold for sex

‘You never know who has big ears,’ says Anita de Wit, 48, the mother of three who set up the safe house last month. It is thought to be the first of its kind in the world. ‘The gangs can kill, and will try to get these girls back because they earn them money. We do not want them coming here to harm them. ’

Anything-goes Amsterdam has long been hailed as a sex mecca. The red-light district attracts thousands of customers, many of them tourists, who walk through alleys where half-naked prostitutes prance in the windows of some 300 brothels illuminated with scarlet bulbs.

A century ago, the brothels were banned to stop the exploitation of women by criminal gangs of Dutch men. But gradually the sex establishments crept back, with the authorities turning a blind eye.

In 2000, after pressure from prostitutes (demanding recognition as sex workers with employment rights) and Holland’s liberal intelligentsia (championing the choice of women to do what they wished with their bodies), the brothels were legalised. The working girls got permits, medical care, and now there are 5,000 in the red-light district.

But things went badly wrong. Holland’s newly legal sex industry was quickly infiltrated by street-grooming gangs with one target: the under-age girl virgin who can be sold for sex.

The men in the gangs are dubbed — incongruously — ‘lover boys’, because of their distinct modus operandi of making girls fall in love with them before forcing them into prostitution at private flats or houses all over Holland, and in the window brothels. The lover boy phenomenon has appalled Dutch society, not least because of the sheer numbers of girls involved.

This week a report into our own sex gangs was criticised for discounting the link between Asian gangs and the sexual exploitation of white and mixed race girls

As Lodewijk Asscher, 38, a leading politician, says: ‘Hard-line criminal behaviour is happening behind those windows. Girls are physically abused if they don’t work hard enough. It is slavery, which was abolished a long time ago in the Netherlands.’

He has championed new rules in Amsterdam’s red-light district from January. Prostitutes will sign a register and the minimum age for sex workers will be raised from 18 to 21, to try to stop girls being forced to work by the gangs.

Holland hopes the rot will be halted. Last year, 242 lover boy crimes were investigated by police, half of them involving the forced prostitution of girls under 18. Campaigner Anita de Wit says this is a fraction — ‘one per cent’ — of the true number. ‘There are thousands of girls being preyed on by male gangs in Holland,’ she says.

Anita visits schools to warn girls exactly what a lover boy looks like, and makes no bones of the fact that most of the gangs are operated by Dutch-born Moroccan and Turkish men.

‘I am not politically correct. I am not afraid of being called a racist, which would be untrue. I tell the girls that lover boys are young, dark-skinned and very good looking. They will have lots of money and bling as well as a big car. They will give out cigarettes and vodka. They will tell a girl that she is beautiful.

‘The gangs know who to pick out: the girl with the confidence problems, with the glasses, or who looks overweight. They flatter her and seem like the “knight in shining armour”. She is drawn to her new boyfriend like a magnet.’

With the new minimum age and register of prostitutes, the winds of change are blowing in Amsterdam's red-light industry

Anita’s bluntness is a far cry from the approach in Britain, where political correctness has stopped police and social workers telling girls the same home truths: that in many towns, particularly in the north of England, the handsome men chatting them up at the school gate are very likely to be of Pakistani descent. They, too, ply the girls with alcohol and gifts, pretending to be genuine boyfriends.

This week a report into our own sex gangs — by Sue Berelowitz, Deputy Children’s Commissioner for England — was criticised (by the NSPCC, among others) for discounting the evident link between Asian gangs and the sexual exploitation of white and mixed race girls. Berelowitz chose to downplay the race factor, despite official figures showing a worrying percentage of men involved in this type of sex crime are of this heritage.

Mohammed Shafiq, director of the Lancashire-based Ramadhan Foundation, a charity working for ethnic harmony, has just visited Holland to see the work of Anita de Wit and her charity ‘Say No to Lover Boys Now’, which believes that girls should be warned where the danger lies — for their own sakes.

He has complained that the British authorities treat the subject as taboo because of fears of being branded racist. ‘That is wrong. These gangs of men should be treated as criminals whatever their race,’ he says.

In Holland, as in Britain, the abusers are drawn from a tiny minority of their communities — which are appalled by their crimes. But the lover boys seem to see white girls as worthless, to be abused without a second thought.

Anita began her campaign when her own daughter, Angelique, then aged 15, was lured into a sex gang after meeting a 21-year-old Moroccan boy at a coffee bar near her school.

In Holland, as in Britain, the abusers are drawn from a tiny minority of their communities - which are appalled by their crimes

Anita was divorced and running a restaurant in a village outside Amsterdam when it all began. It was eight in the evening and Angelique came into the restaurant with three male friends. She said one of them was her new boyfriend, Mohammed. ‘He had long curly hair, was very handsome and polite to me,’ remembers Anita.

‘Angelique asked if she could take the three boys back home for a coffee, and I said yes. I was due back at eleven that night and I thought my other two children — Angelique’s younger brother, who was 13, and her older sister — would be there.’

But when Anita got home, she found that every bottle in the drinks cabinet was empty. Angelique was lying in bed drunk. Mohammed and his two pals had disappeared. Although Anita did not know it then, Angelique had been raped by two of the men. The other man had taken her son to play football in the park to get him out of the house. Angelique’s older sister was, in fact, staying with friends.

‘I was horrified,’ says Anita. ‘Angelique lied, saying she had just had too much to drink. I was annoyed she had been drinking at all. I said I did not want Mohammed at my house ever again. We had a row. But that is the classic technique used by the lover boys — they deliberately engineer a rift between the girl and her parents.’

From then on, Angelique’s behaviour changed. She went missing from school. If she did go to class, Mohammed and the lover boys would be waiting to pick her up in a big car with dark windows and false number plates. Her teachers complained to Anita, but Angelique was in love with Mohammed and at war with the teachers and her mother.

She would disappear from home for hours, often coming back only late at night. Sometimes, she would go missing for days, saying she had been with friends.

In fact, Angelique had been sleeping with a host of Moroccan men and earning money for her ‘boyfriend’, Mohammed. ‘Her mobile phone would ring continuously, all day and through the night, too. She would even take it into the loo with her.

‘When I looked at it later, there were violent texts saying: “If you don’t come out now, you are for it and your family, too,”’ recalls Anita today.

After several months, Anita rang the police for help. Her daughter was taken to the family court where a judge placed her under a curfew at home. She had to report to her mother every two hours. ‘Angelique would come in say hello, and then run out of the house again,’ says Anita. ‘The judge said she had to leave her mobile phone downstairs at night. But the gang just gave her another one, and the men kept ringing her. They gave her cannabis and she became dependent on them for it.’

The judge, in desperation, sent Angelique to a youth prison where, for 11 months, she used her phone card to keep in touch with Mohammed, but gradually the relationship fizzled out.

When, at last, she was moved to an open centre for troubled youngsters, Anita hoped for the best. But her daughter met another lover boy there. He was called Rashid and was a stooge planted to recruit girls by the gangs. He persuaded her to escape from the centre and together they hitch-hiked to Rotterdam.

There, Angelique found that Rashid was also part of a sex gang. She was put in a seedy house and again made to work as a prostitute.

‘She was forced to swallow 14 ecstasy tablets a day and take the date-rape drug, GHB. The gang beat her with a baseball bat if she refused to sleep with the men who were brought to her. They dyed her brown hair with kitchen bleach because they said men would pay more for blondes. She’s never told me how many men she had to go with,’ says Anita. After six weeks, Angelique escaped. She ran to a shop and called her mother, who brought her home.

Yet — incredibly enough — even then the lover boys came after her. She visited the city centre with a girlfriend and a stranger, a young Moroccan, asked her out for a date. He promised Angelique that he was a proper boyfriend, that he loved her: but he was grooming her, too.

The Moroccan plied her with drugs, and asked her to live with him in a flat near the red-light district. When Angelique, by now 18, agreed, he said he was in debt and put her to work in the De Wallen window brothels.

‘I went to see her in the windows,’ says Anita. ‘I had to keep in touch with my daughter. It was only in January of last year that she realised she had been exploited by the gang and returned home at last.’

Angelique’s story is terrifying. But, at the safe house, there are equally disturbing tales. There is Eline, who was an 18-year-old virgin when she met a Turkish lover boy at a New Year party at her local youth club.

Eline thought she was in love with him, but within a few weeks the rest of his group had gang-raped her on a patch of waste land, photographed their crime, and were threatening to tell her parents if she did not sleep with other men to earn them money.

I hear about Beatrice, who met her lover boy as she rode her bike to a new school. She was 12 years old. He was leaning against his car outside; with a big gold chain round his neck, he looked like an actor in a rap video.

He was back a few days later, and told her she was pretty. The fourth time they met, she agreed to go for a drive. He took her to a house where he raped her. He told her she was now his prostitute, his property, and that their relationship was perfectly normal.

By 14, Beatrice had slept with dozens of men and, unbeknown to her civil servant parents, was even coerced into acting as an agent for her lover boy’s gang by introducing them to other girls.

The girls in the safe house, who are aged between 15 and 25, have now escaped from the horrors of their past. They are learning to live again. And with the new minimum age and register of prostitutes, the winds of change are blowing in Amsterdam’s red-light industry.

But Eline shakes her head a little sadly as she says: ‘The lover boys are always one step ahead. They are making a fortune from these young girls. It is everyone’s duty to tell the truth about what is happening — particularly to potential victims.’

It is a sobering lesson not only that political correctness must not prevent people voicing their fears about grooming gangs, but also that Holland’s liberal approach to sex has backfired disastrously on many of these damaged victims.

[dalsingh101]

Thing is, the 'Asian' thing can be of serious usefulness in terms of mobilising votes in a democracy or protesting. Some of us older heads remember the days before Pakistanis messed it all up, and recall how a sense of 'Asianness' wasn't a bad thing and how it helped unite people against a common and very nasty enemy.

Personally I think, that minus Paks (or at least those jerk-off ones), the identity might even become useful again for mass mobilisation. I only see racism growing in the UK if the economy continues to dwindle. They are too scared of kalay to kick off with them, so 'Asians' would become the natural 'whipping boy'.

We need to factor in potential issues we have to deal with in the future, and one thing the whole Barak Obama thing has shown us is that a so called 'minority' UNITED can make BIG CHANGES to the scene.

For example, Bengalis and Sikhs can unite and increase numbers and face common issues. It's true that that sleazy, slimy element of Paks needs serious dealing with, but turning our back on other potential allies (even if they are sullay!!) because of them doesn't seem too prudent to me. I'm not saying we crawl up their backsides btw, just have healthy positive relationships with other 'Asian' communities (and even other nonAsian visible and nonvisible minorities if possible) . We have to be careful and circumspect for the long term. What you guys think?

[HSD1]

The Pakis are too up their own arses for that to work. Even the ones who arent fundo would rather look after themselves and not team up with anyone.

The Hindus are useless. They want Sikhs to help them against muslims, but when Sikhs do, as soon as the muslim threat is over they go back to ebing anti-kirpan/anti-khalistan types and stirring stuff between us and the establishment. In certain parts of the UK, Sikh attempts at dealing with muslims on a street level failed because the Hindus in these gangs used to goad the Sikhs into doing stupid things. Let the whites look after them, as they still have that sepoy mentality.

Other Asians/Muslims/Jews would be worth exploring links with. Jews especially wanted links during the riots, and Sikhs tooled up in Krav Maga would help prevent others seeing as a 'soft target' on a community level.

[dalsingh101]

Yeah, you seem right about Paks and Hindus have always proved generally useless in tense situations.

I'm mixing with a lot of Bengalis these days and they actually seem quite ....I don't know....friendly? I think they have some good impression of apnay (shockingly), I think they actually look up to our reputation of 'prowess' (as much as it appears to be dwindling to us some of us). I think they could get on board.

I have a Jewish connection in the family and aren't too impressed by them myself - but then maybe that side of the family are atypical Jews - because they don't seem to give a shite about their roots and stuff.

We defo need to think about mobilising numbers for situations though - and forging links.

[HSD1]

LOL, be careful the Bengalis arent trying to groom you lol.

There arent any Bengalis on my end. I guess you can judge and do your thing.

Jews are a mixed bunch, a bit like us. Some have proper anglicised, like our coconuts. Others keep British culture at arms length and pick and choose the good bits, again a bit like us. A lot of them have military training, some have even knocked a few heads in over there. Of course this might be a bit unpalatable for some SIkhs, but I couldnt give a monkeys.

Outside of that the Irish and Scots arent all anglo-bumlickers, but they arent paklovers either. If the English and paks ever go for each other it would be up to everyone else to band together and protect what we value.

[SURYADEV]

You really want to hang out with drug peddling Bengalis?

Before the Turks came in they ran the east london drug gangs at street level.

[dalsingh101]

They (Bongos) still seem to have some respect for apnay (the ones I'm meeting anyway). Many don't trust Paks, though they obviously have a strong Muslim identity and we don't know where this may go if the shite ever hits the fan. They seem concern with Israel vs Palestine though?

I mean I grew up with Paks (some of the toughest about) and these Bengalis seem different. Maybe in time I may feel different but I'm going by what I'm experiencing.

Plus, dude, I'm from E London. Drug dealing is no biggy, you grow up around it. Truth is I detest it (more so coke and Heroin than anything else) but screw being overly judgmental over that shit.

As for Scots and Irish. Up until recently when I moved into my new place, I'd always had a good impression of Paddies, but now I'm seeing them different as they seem to cling onto the white thing in Essex than the Irish in East London who appeared more closely affiliated with Panjabis.

Also, we have to be careful, because some paddies are actually quite chuffed with the way sullay are running Anglos ragged right now (militarily) and seem to be showing sympathy towards them. I've even met a few Irish converts to Islam and they always tell me that Islam was a natural progression from RC for them.

Scots are a serious minority - hardly meet any.

[HSD1]

Looks like our options are limitted. Sometimes I wish we could just draw a list up of all the good Sikhs and bad Sikhs and get the good ones to move to North America and leave the idiots here to wallow with the racist goreh and dumb sulleh they love so much. When this powder keg of an island goes off the view would look a lot better in Toronto than it would sitting in the barrel with these island monkeys.

Edited November 23, 2012 by HSD1

[SURYADEV]

We see to be missing out the new wave of migrants ie the Abdi's (somalians); afgans; turkish; SE europeans etc.

IMO the more diluted this countries ethnic makeup gets the more isolated we are getting. Any respect Sikhs have now is from the older generation of English , those that fought in the ww2.

In the 21st centuray we are just another immigrant comunity who are coming here and making our own demands. think turban, kirpan, theatre plays etc. Whereas in the past we had to deal with just one or two ethnic communities, now there are a lot more.

I cant see us relying on any long term alliance with anyone. maybe the jewish/zionist population, but then what links to we as a community have with them at all? we never meeet them in daily life, share no history/connections with them etc. The orthodox jews are too isolated to even bother with anyone who isnt of thier particular sect. The reformed/casual are busy being part of the establishment (/problem).

Expect more of the same as the shite economic conditions continue.

Edited November 23, 2012 by SURYADEV

[SURYADEV]

Going back to India now doesnt seem a bad proposition at all

[HSD1]

Going back to India now doesnt seem a bad proposition at all

I'd be surprised if there's anyone left there. Most seem to want to live in sheds in the UK.

Your point about Sikhs being another bunch of brown faces is bang on the money. The English seem to just be hostile to everyone apart from their own unless you come across them abroad, then they're as polite as can be. The Jews I have got to know were all a bit hostile when I first met them but when they see my Kara they switch. It's quite funny to be honest. So it's not all doom and gloom. Dont run off back to Hindustan just yet. It's not like there arent problems there. There are vibrant Sikh communities all across the world.

Edited November 24, 2012 by HSD1

[dalsingh101]

Screw running away. We've got a front seat ticket to the decline of the people who destroyed our kingdom.

Bring out the popcorn and watch the poetic justice. Who knows, we might even get to see some action which is always an exciting prospect.

lol

[dalsingh101]

HSD

I sense a lot of hidden insecurity from whites in London these days? The recession/terrorism etc. seems to be getting to them.

Am I imagining it (wishful thinking perhaps) or is it real?

I tell you, the atmosphere in East London was slightly tense during the Olympics and it was like all the whiteys exhaled a long breath after it was over. Thankful no bombs went off.

[HSD1]

Screw running away. We've got a front seat ticket to the decline of the people who destroyed our kingdom.

Bring out the popcorn and watch the poetic justice. Who knows, we might even get to see some action which is always an exciting prospect.

lol

It always pays to keep your options open. It's not like you couldnt get on a plane in Toronto and get back here for any fireworks and then go back when you've had your fun. We dont know how the cookie will crumble, but expect a series of unforeseen events to twist things towards what is pretty much inevitable. Dont get too blinded by the idea of justice to be dragged down during it in what should be a moment of happiness.

[HSD1]

HSD

I sense a lot of hidden insecurity from whites in London these days? The recession/terrorism etc. seems to be getting to them.

Am I imagining it (wishful thinking perhaps) or is it real?

I tell you, the atmosphere in East London was slightly tense during the Olympics and it was like all the whiteys exhaled a long breath after it was over. Thankful no bombs went off.

I think this has to do with the fact they are on the 'frontline' so to speak. If anything does kick off, they will be the first to get it in the neck. They know they have a lot to lose. The riots showed this.

People in villages/towns with no muslims arent so scared as they dont have anything to fear. Their food supplies are secure and out of muslim hands. Muslims dont have extensive knowledge of rural England or the level of firearms that people living there have or the nature of NATO stay behind groups ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#United_Kingdom ). As smart as Muslims are, look at the breakup of Yugoslavia. The muslims had the upperhand until they tried pushing into Serb areas and Russian volunteers started showing up. There is a lot of antimuslim feeling around the world, dont expect them to sit it out.

I am seeing that Muslims are increasingly on edge. They dont have many friends outside their own community so they become easy targets for white criminals. I've seen an increase in desperation amongst poorer whites and a more selfish attitude develop. Dont expect them to be a complete pushover. Fighting a war halfway across the world in someone's country is one thing, fighting in your own is a lot different.

[dalsingh101]

It always pays to keep your options open. It's not like you couldnt get on a plane in Toronto and get back here for any fireworks and then go back when you've had your fun. We dont know how the cookie will crumble, but expect a series of unforeseen events to twist things towards what is pretty much inevitable. Dont get too blinded by the idea of justice to be dragged down during it in what should be a moment of happiness.

In the above scenario, let's not have a situation where brothers tactically retreat and totally forget other more vulnerable members of the community who might be stuck for various reasons (I'm not talking about bumlickers here BTW).

[HSD1]

In the above scenario, let's not have a situation where brothers tactically retreat and totally forget other more vulnerable members of the community who might be stuck for various reasons (I'm not talking about bumlickers here BTW).

The vulnerable should be the first to go.

[dalsingh101]

They will be the last - that's why they are vulnerable. We can't have the situation we have in Afghanistan here with small groups scurrying around like scared rats.

Plus, let's not be totally pessimistic - yeah, things don't look too good and we'd be fools not to acknowledge and plan for this, but all manner of unexpected things might happen.

Personally I blame most of this on the backwards, neo-supremacist mindset of Anglos. Their mindset in retrogressive and their desire to be a 'master race' and not equally share and cooperate with others of a darker hue is what will ruin what remains of this shit country.

Edited November 24, 2012 by dalsingh101

[HSD1]

Who are the vulnerable groups then? The thing is that we cant build a dam in the face of a tsunami. By dam I mean stop people leaving and tsunami I mean the economic forces here. People cant get jobs, get taxed a lot and dont see the point of paying taxes to fund sulleh and goreh to act like pigs in muck. I'm not going anywhere, not everyone wants to migrate. But a lot of people will and we got to think of where they would go - Afghan Sikhs suffered because the Brit and Indian Sikh community didnt do enough to help them out and their own leaders didnt tell them what to do. If the grass really is greener somewhere else then you cant blame people with young families or disaffected with this country for going.

As for the Anglos, in my eyes they are just fair skinned Arabs. Same Abrahamic bs for a religion. Same barbarian pre-Roman heritage. Same cupboard full of imperial skeletons called slavery, genocide and land grabbing. The muslims may play victim now but not so long ago they were the ones who taught the Europeans the art of using knowledge for war. If it wasnt for the Arabs taxing the Silk Road routes, the Europeans would never have got on their boats to look for other routes to India/China. Did you read the 'Our Universal Civilization' topic I posted?

[dalsingh101]

Who are the vulnerable groups then? The thing is that we cant build a dam in the face of a tsunami. By dam I mean stop people leaving and tsunami I mean the economic forces here. People cant get jobs, get taxed a lot and dont see the point of paying taxes to fund sulleh and goreh to act like pigs in muck. I'm not going anywhere, not everyone wants to migrate. But a lot of people will and we got to think of where they would go - Afghan Sikhs suffered because the Brit and Indian Sikh community didnt do enough to help them out and their own leaders didnt tell them what to do. If the grass really is greener somewhere else then you cant blame people with young families or disaffected with this country for going.

The vulnerable groups are our guys who may have done time (not paedo types but fighters or youngsters in the wrong place or time). That famous crew that originated from B'ham has a lot of guys like that. They wont be able to migrate to the New World because of immigration laws - even if they wanted too. At least they are in the best position to fight here anyway, given their backgrounds. Plus seriously, the economy will go up and down and people will adjust to it. Yes, sure, lucky ones may get out (I have close family in this category) but unless things to to the extremes of Nazi Germany (which isn't impossible but highly unlikely in my opinion), I think we'll always have a relatively sizeable Sikh community here. Our minds should be focused on what we can do to strengthen it.

Also, I disagree with your analysis, I think 'browns' are on the cusp of change here purely down to economies of scale. These days I see Sainburys, Tesco etc. selling Indian food - I still remember when the only way to get Indian groceries was from a 'mobile- grocer' who operated from a back of a truck! lol I think share numbers in areas like East London and other areas may offer opportunities we never had before. We are on the rise. We may be able to pressurise whites like we've never been able to before.

As for the Anglos, in my eyes they are just fair skinned Arabs. Same Abrahamic bs for a religion. Same barbarian pre-Roman heritage. Same cupboard full of imperial skeletons called slavery, genocide and land grabbing. The muslims may play victim now but not so long ago they were the ones who taught the Europeans the art of using knowledge for war. If it wasnt for the Arabs taxing the Silk Road routes, the Europeans would never have got on their boats to look for other routes to India/China. Did you read the 'Our Universal Civilization' topic I posted?

That's the thing. The Arabs/more militant Muslim types act as a brilliant check on Anglos because they are so similar. lol

There may be opportunities for us in this.

Truth be told, from what I've experienced recently the 'Indian' tag seems to have risen in status/ reputation (whether you like it or not) and is becoming increasingly associated with intelligence and status (probably mainly due to the NHS dependency on mofos from back home).

Yes, sure, we might end up with a fractured society that implodes, but we may well also end up with a seriously changed up Britain - whether whitey likes this or not - (they obviously wont but don't have the balls to face up to their leadership).

[dalsingh101]

PS - Will look into the - Our Universal Civilization - topic. Looks very interesting.

[HSD1]

Well, in their cases, I wouldn't suggest visas and all that. There are still ways though, so never say never. It helps to keep your options open. When I talk about Britain changing, I dont mean any Nazi or Balkan rubbish. It's too different a country for that to happen, British Rail only wish they could run trains like the Germans do lol! What I mean is a kind of New Dark Age England. This country only provided wealth and opportunity because it had links to the old colonies and ways of screwing others over. On a level playing field Britain aint so hot. This has implications for us more than them. They can go back to being peasants and living in workhouses, it's what they like as long as they have royalty to obsess over. Can Sikhs handle living in that kind of country? I get what you say about the economy, but the level of debt, the lack of ideas for growth, the stupidity of everyone involved doesnt bode well. Like this whole thing about getting jobs back from China - even if Britain took 3 million jobs back, the amount of income tax these people would pay would be trivial. So why the obsession with getting low paid Chinese jobs? It's like the people at the top are as dumb as the people you get down the pub.

I also what you mean by the integration South Asian-isms into Britain. Food, clothing, cinema is a lot more prevalent. But at the same time its twisted to suit the hosts. Enjoying someone's food doesnt lead to integration. There is still a lot of ignorant prejudice amongst some groups which is almost like a comfort blanket to them. All the while they know that over time we could just get swallowed up whole by their culture. It's not like we have anywhere nice to go back to. Indian Punjabis are too obsessed with leaving India, and the ones who stay just screw up the place even more. Gujis on the other hand are enjoying the higher status thing that you are on about as they are successful here and Gujistan is turning into a powerhouse in South Asia. Look at all the burglaries targetting South Asian families. They might know about Indians being up and coming but that doesnt stop them trying to take advantage. Even the police arent too bothered and havent stopped the targetting of Asians. I get what you're saying, but boy do we have a long way to go.

[bluestar]

Things aint lookin too good at alll, on top of this it seems the pakis/muslims are at the centre of it. Be it here or overseas......goingback to the original post all i will say its not wrong to fight fire with fire. Meaing the old sp boys did a good job in 80/90s.....the gurdwara went aga,inst them due to being politically correct and this is the consEquence..sorry i would like to write in more detail but on my phone and hate typing.. In fact wanted to write a post but had to reply....in my opinion sikhs/

Singhs are more concerned with pleasing the democratic western fashion then to stick to what is right and giving jusTice....also knowledge.... Parents/gurdwara do not shy from lust veechar... Its the one thing killing everyone......they play it off with saying the paki wooed the sikh girl and her ego got boosted.......in my opinion she got aroused...fine definition....also not just pakis but if turks get in eu...watch out.....sorry if i offended anyone just my opinion and im not one who hasnt seen anything and replying on the basis of internet reading....ive seen familes destroyed by daughters going with pakis....the worst being sikh girl running away from home with a paki to return in a few months as a heroin addict......

[dalsingh101]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20723462