sikhiseeker Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) WJKK WJKF sangat ji, I heard a sakhi of the meeting of Shiri guru gobind Singh ji with madho das, it was stated that guru sahib ordered the jhatka of a goat on the ground on which the ashram was built. I asked if anyone had also heard this, I posted my question on sikhsangat.com but got ridiculed and the topic was blocked. Can anyone shed some light on this sakhi. The jhatka was done before madho das reached his ashram, when the blood spilt on the floor, the devotees sent a message to madho das to return. On his return he accused guru sahib of tainting the holy ground on which the ashram was built an displayed his disgust at the fact a goat had been jhatkaad, guru sahib replied "where is your ashram" to which madho das answered "Hindustan" to which guru sahib replied " are you not bothered at all the other blood spilt on the land of Hindustan, only the blood spilt on your pavitar darthi"? To which then madho das's initial ahankar was broken Have I got this wrong, or has someone else heard this sakhi to, somebody....anybody......!? Please note- this is really about the detail of this sakhi, not a pro or anti meat post. Thanks WJKK WJKF NEOSINGH- I'm sure you know rite lol? Edited April 25, 2014 by sikhiseeker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I never heard of this sakhi so i m not sure bro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Singh Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) I have heard of a jhatka taking place when banda bahadur met guru gobind singh it was in an old publication authorised by SGPC. Good luck posting anything mind opening on SS, those fanatics are closed minded to stuff like that. I think maybe this one http://www.gurmatveechar.com/books/English_Books/Banda.Singh.Bahadur.by.Ganda.Singh.(GurmatVeechar.com).pdf See page 37 of the pdf above it will be marked as page 13 on the actual page itself and the word meat is underlined. Edited April 25, 2014 by JatherdarSahib 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikhiseeker Posted April 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I never heard of this sakhi so i m not sure bro. WJKK WJKF Veer ji, do you thing because of the nature of the detail within the sakhi that Parcharaks will refrain from telling this detail? As to the divide of opinion within sangat. WJKK WJKF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikhiseeker Posted April 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I have heard of a jhatka taking place when banda bahadur met guru gobind singh it was in an old publication authorised by SGPC. Good luck posting anything mind opening on SS, those fanatics are closed minded to stuff like that. I think maybe this one http://www.gurmatveechar.com/books/English_Books/Banda.Singh.Bahadur.by.Ganda.Singh.(GurmatVeechar.com).pdf See page 37 of the pdf above it will be marked as page 13 on the actual page itself and the word meat is underlined. WJKK WJKF Thankyou brother for the PDF file, should be a good read. Also good to know it's not just me who hear this detail within the sakhi. Thankyou WJKK WJKF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarjeet Singh_1737 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Sri Gur Panth Prakash. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikhiseeker Posted April 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Sri Gur Panth Prakash. WJKK WJKF Veer ji, is that detail stated in the Shri Gur Panth Prakash? WJKK WJKF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Singh Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 WJKK WJKF Veer ji, do you thing because of the nature of the detail within the sakhi that Parcharaks will refrain from telling this detail? As to the divide of opinion within sangat. WJKK WJKF In the book sicques tigers or thieves eyewitness accounts of sikhs. It mentions that Khatris were known to eat meat and it was seen disgraceful in other caste groups. Guru Gobind Singh himself said I am not the son of a brahmin but kshaytria and khalsa was defined as khsytria dharma. It's likely the previous attitudes from vaishnism carried forward through the pluraism of sikhism and an old doctrine became preached as the new. Plus we have people like those on Sikh sangat who can do much worse then blocking you and deleting you, they can get violent over people saying something else apart from their narrative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarjeet Singh_1737 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) WJKK WJKF Veer ji, is that detail stated in the Shri Gur Panth Prakash? WJKK WJKF When Satguru, Guru Gobind Singh arrived at Banda (Bahadur’s) estate, Banda had gone out on some errand to another place. Seeing a very well bedecked bedstead inside his bed chamber, The Guru climbed up the bed with a quick jump. (1) Chaupai : The Guru’s Singhs slaughtered all the goats (moving about in Banda’s orchard), And put their meat in the cauldrons on fire for cooking, The Banda’s attendant informed his master immediately about this incident, And brought him along after inciting him (against the intruders). -Sri Gur Panth Prakash, Vol. I, Episode 29, pg.189. Regarding the blood spilt on Hindustan, it seems this was a creation of the colonial period, when an united effort was made to expel the colonial administration from Mother India. Sri Gur Panth Prakash differs and states: Dohra : The Guru admonished him for making fun of the saints, As it always recoiled on those who indulged in such a mischief. The petty pranksters, mendicants and nit-wit Dooms alone, Indulged in such mean tricks to earn their livelihood. (15) Chaupai : Then Banda declared himself to be the humble servant of the Guru, And declared the Guru to be his spiritual guide and master. He begged forgiveness of the Guru for his past misdeeds, And promised never to indulge in any of his past activities. (16) He proclaimed himself to be the humble servant of the Guru, And promised to carryout any command of the Guru. He beseeched the Guru to take him into his fold, And consider him as the most intimate disciple of the Guru. (17) -ibid, pg. 193. For more information I suggest you employ Akali-Nihung Santa Singh Ji's katha, and literal exegesis of the entire Granth. He clears up any doubts regarding Jhatka and certain happenings which have been obliterated or revamped by many pseudo-scholars today. If you have the time also try looking for the 'Jhatka Prakash Granth' by Giani Narainjan Singh of the SGPC. He wrote it as a direct rebuttal to the views of Bhai Randhir Singh who outlawed meat. Unfortunately for the Giani his book became such a hit, that the urban devotees of the Bhai used their financial influence to have it removed from book outlets and libraries. Edited April 25, 2014 by Amarjeet Singh_1737 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarjeet Singh_1737 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 WJKK WJKF sangat ji, I heard a sakhi of the meeting of Shiri guru gobind Singh ji with madho das, it was stated that guru sahib ordered the jhatka of a goat on the ground on which the ashram was built. I asked if anyone had also heard this, I posted my question on sikhsangat.com but got ridiculed and the topic was blocked. Can anyone shed some light on this sakhi. The jhatka was done before madho das reached his ashram, when the blood spilt on the floor, the devotees sent a message to madho das to return. On his return he accused guru sahib of tainting the holy ground on which the ashram was built an displayed his disgust at the fact a goat had been jhatkaad, guru sahib replied "where is your ashram" to which madho das answered "Hindustan" to which guru sahib replied " are you not bothered at all the other blood spilt on the land of Hindustan, only the blood spilt on your pavitar darthi"? To which then madho das's initial ahankar was broken Have I got this wrong, or has someone else heard this sakhi to, somebody....anybody......!? Please note- this is really about the detail of this sakhi, not a pro or anti meat post. Thanks WJKK WJKF NEOSINGH- I'm sure you know rite lol? That's a surprise. When I asked the same question on Sikhsangat they told me to get the notion, that the panth was vegetarian, out of my head and accept both Sukha and Jhatka. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikhiseeker Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 When Satguru, Guru Gobind Singh arrived at Banda (Bahadurs) estate, Banda had gone out on some errand to another place. Seeing a very well bedecked bedstead inside his bed chamber, The Guru climbed up the bed with a quick jump. (1) Chaupai : The Gurus Singhs slaughtered all the goats (moving about in Bandas orchard), And put their meat in the cauldrons on fire for cooking, The Bandas attendant informed his master immediately about this incident, And brought him along after inciting him (against the intruders). -Sri Gur Panth Prakash, Vol. I, Episode 29, pg.189. Regarding the blood spilt on Hindustan, it seems this was a creation of the colonial period, when an united effort was made to expel the colonial administration from Mother India. Sri Gur Panth Prakash differs and states: Dohra : The Guru admonished him for making fun of the saints, As it always recoiled on those who indulged in such a mischief. The petty pranksters, mendicants and nit-wit Dooms alone, Indulged in such mean tricks to earn their livelihood. (15) Chaupai : Then Banda declared himself to be the humble servant of the Guru, And declared the Guru to be his spiritual guide and master. He begged forgiveness of the Guru for his past misdeeds, And promised never to indulge in any of his past activities. (16) He proclaimed himself to be the humble servant of the Guru, And promised to carryout any command of the Guru. He beseeched the Guru to take him into his fold, And consider him as the most intimate disciple of the Guru. (17) -ibid, pg. 193. For more information I suggest you employ Akali-Nihung Santa Singh Ji's katha, and literal exegesis of the entire Granth. He clears up any doubts regarding Jhatka and certain happenings which have been obliterated or revamped by many pseudo-scholars today. If you have the time also try looking for the 'Jhatka Prakash Granth' by Giani Narainjan Singh of the SGPC. He wrote it as a direct rebuttal to the views of Bhai Randhir Singh who outlawed meat. Unfortunately for the Giani his book became such a hit, that the urban devotees of the Bhai used their financial influence to have it removed from book outlets and libraries. WJKK WJKF Dear Brother, Thanks for enlightening me on this sakhi and directing me to the other literature. I will definately have a read. WJKK WJKF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Singh Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Here is the full panth prakash http://www.scribd.com/doc/220430143/Sri-Guru-Panth-Prakash-Shahid-Rattan-Singh-Bhangu-Full-Vol-1-and-Vol-2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarjeet Singh_1737 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Here is the full panth prakash http://www.scribd.com/doc/220430143/Sri-Guru-Panth-Prakash-Shahid-Rattan-Singh-Bhangu-Full-Vol-1-and-Vol-2 Baba Santa Singh's might be a bit different. Apparently he used a manuscript preserved by the Nihungs, from pre-Singh Sabha times. It is said Bhai Vir Singh made some modifications to one of the two original manuscripts written by Bhangu. The other one is probably gathering dust in some British library. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 is an audio of Baba Santa Singh still availble on net of Panth Parkash katha? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarjeet Singh_1737 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) is an audio of Baba Santa Singh still availble on net of Panth Parkash katha? Try soundcloud or NihangSingh.org. He blasts many myths apart in it. Especially this imbecilic diatribe against hunting, bana, bani, meat etc. There is also a portion where he talks about the Badals and why he did not support Sant Jarnail Singh Ji. Edited May 16, 2014 by Amarjeet Singh_1737 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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