Martin Holland Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) http://sikhsiyasat.net/2014/10/22/belgium-gurdwara-sahib-asked-to-close-for-one-month-down-by-authorities/ This Gurdwara has been told to close down for a month because they have been offering food to illegal immigrants. Let's face it, everyone needs food to survive whether one is legal or illegal. At the end of the day we are all human and it's our spiritual/religious/moral duty to help and look after the disadvantaged and those in need of help. All they were doing was reaching out and helping those that needed help that is all. It is so disappointing to see this happening in a country which is a member of the EU. Edited October 22, 2014 by Martin Holland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Your religious requirement which is a noble gesture should not trump the law of the land. Do you have any idea who you are feeding? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Your religious requirement which is a noble gesture should not trump the law of the land. Do you have any idea who you are feeding? Did you even read the news? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Holland Posted October 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) It is not a role that should be assigned to sewaadaars at the Gurdwaras to ask each and everyone if they are legal or illegal before serving the Langar. They are doing sewa and besides everyone is considered equal before the Guru. Edited October 23, 2014 by Martin Holland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 As I mentioned prudence is better in this matter. But since the illegals seem to be punjabi from India it's perfectly ok to help them. Shame on the Belgium government! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Holland Posted October 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Sikh Gurdwaras have never ever discriminated anyone on the basis of race, caste or color. They welcome anyone and everyone. Langar sewa is a blessing of the Guru and everyone is welcome whether one is a hindu illegal/legal, christain illegal/legal or sikh illegal/legal for that matter. The Guru's teachings are above discrimination. Edited October 23, 2014 by Martin Holland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Like I mentioned the significance and thought process behind the langar is noble, however, law of the land trumps. Although a remote possibility these people could be major security risks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchpagg47 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Like I mentioned the significance and thought process behind the langar is noble, however, law of the land trumps. Although a remote possibility these people could be major security risks. No it doesn't, all it does is invite Sikhs to invade and destroy that government. VJKVJF|| 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHALDUGGUSINGH Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 No it doesn't, all it does is invite Sikhs to invade and destroy that government. VJKVJF|| I ALREADY HAVE PASSPORT READY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchpagg47 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I ALREADY HAVE PASSPORT READY. Bruahhh Tarkhan Soormayhttps://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/418176295810658304/ADQUre3P_400x400.jpeg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Holland Posted October 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) You seem to be joking, right? There is gross discrimination in many gurdwaras in the basis of race, caste and color. In some gurdwaras in india mazahabis are not served food with jats and other 'upper castes'. if your assertion was correct, there would not be sep temples for Jats, Rangarhias, ravidassis, etc in almost every punjab village. Guru's teachings are indeed above discrimination but what fat sikhi de golak-focussed thekedar do in real life have nothing to do with those teachings. about Belgium incident, the temple in question is a repeat offender. This is at least 3rd raid on the sikh temple. http://nriinternet.com/NRIsikhs/Europe/Belgian/2008/1_Police_stop_prayer.htm They were sheltering illegals so should not crib about the police action. news from a non-khali website: http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/News/141021_belgium-people-trafficking-vilvoorde-sikh-temple Management committee seems to be minting money sheltering illegals in Gurudwara building. The Guru's teachings are above discrimination and here where I live I have never seen any sort of discrimination against anyone. The sikh sangat is most welcoming and pleasant to talk to. I don't involve myself with Gurdwara's policiies on its daily activities. Edited October 24, 2014 by Martin Holland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundarss Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 My gurdwarah also a good gurdwarah, we get lots of karra perchad their. I love karra perchad. My mum makes it sometimes and don't taste the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Absolutely ridiculous !!!! They need to be educated regarding the purpose of a Gurudawara. How do the gurudawara committee know someone coming to the Gurudawara has some kind of conviction , in fact its people with convictions a "Gurudawara" will put them on a right track " , plus your not going to be standing out side the door and be asking Are you an illegal immigrant .... yes ,,,,,,,,,, sorry your not allowed in , call the Police They should have stricter polices, enforcement's in place not allowing illegal immigrants in to the country . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Holland Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Absolutely ridiculous !!!! They need to be educated regarding the purpose of a Gurudawara. How do the gurudawara committee know someone coming to the Gurudawara has some kind of conviction , in fact its people with convictions a "Gurudawara" will put them on a right track " , plus your not going to be standing out side the door and be asking Are you an illegal immigrant .... yes ,,,,,,,,,, sorry your not allowed in , call the Police They should have stricter polices, enforcement's in place not allowing illegal immigrants in to the country . Thank you DSG. It is the responsibility of the individual state to enforce stricter immigration policies and let the Gurdwaras carry out theirs'. Places of worship don't pass laws, it is not their role to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Thank you DSG. It is the responsibility of the individual state to enforce stricter immigration policies and let the Gurdwaras carry out theirs'. Places of worship don't pass laws, it is not their role to do so. It is also the responsibility of the individual to follow the rules of the state. In this case, the gurudwara disobeyed nearly 3 times. By aiding and abetting you are setting a bad example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 This might be a manifestation of wider rightward lurch in Europe. Gurdwaras feeding people who are in vulnerable positions is a deeply ingrained tradition going all the way back to Baba Nanak and his sacha If it came to giving some starving vulnerable people a meal; I think it would be a low life Sikh who would think that this shouldn't be done because of immigration policies. Europeans are hypocrites anyway: I guarantee you that should the refugees have all been female they would have had no problem with assisting them. As soon as they see non-white males they get uppity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajputdamoonda Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) It is also the responsibility of the individual to follow the rules of the state. In this case, the gurudwara disobeyed nearly 3 times. By aiding and abetting you are setting a bad example. We have a joker on the forum. The gurdwara sangat does not ask each and everyone about their legal status before serving langar to them. Don't make foolish juvenile statements here. Click on the link below to understand what your hindu brothers are doing in the US. Edited October 26, 2014 by rajputdamoonda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 We have a joker on the forum. The gurdwara sangat does not ask each and everyone about their legal status before serving langar to them. Don't make foolish juvenile statements here. Click on the link below to understand what your hindu brothers are doing in the US. Obviously, the caretakers of this gurudwara knew about the status of these illegals. And that's why they were closed down. So yours is a moot point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Amandeep needs to be more worried about things like the disgusting use of 'temple girls' in certain mandirs than Sikhs feeding people from their Gurdwaras. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajputdamoonda Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Obviously, the caretakers of this gurudwara knew about the status of these illegals. And that's why they were closed down. So yours is a moot point. Your comments do not match the video link. Where were you when God was dishing out brains? I wonder if he left hindus out deliberately leaving it to their 33 crore devis and devtas to do the job. God does work in mysterious ways. Don't use difficult concepts such as 'moot point' if you don't know what they mean!!!!! They don't suit you considering you repeat everything your mentor says in a parrot fashion. Edited October 26, 2014 by rajputdamoonda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Amandeep needs to be more worried about things like the disgusting use of 'temple girls' in certain mandirs than Sikhs feeding people from their Gurdwaras. You need to start obeying the law of the land. Even if you don't like it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 You need to start obeying the law of the land. Even if you don't like it. What are you: some sort of internet momma's boy. I'll do what I want and you can go f**k yourself and troll some Hindu forum instead. What a d**k. What's your point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 What are you: some sort of internet momma's boy. I'll do what I want and you can go f**k yourself and troll some Hindu forum instead. What a d**k. What's your point? One your co-posters put this topic to be commented upon. And that is what I did. The stand of the Belgium government is clear. Hopefully, you will have a chance to read and understand it. However, in the end you are right and you can do what you want. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Your religious requirement which is a noble gesture should not trump the law of the land. Do you have any idea who you are feeding? so the moghal laws to kill hindus would be acceptable, because it was lawful? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 so the moghal laws to kill hindus would be acceptable, because it was lawful? Are you comparing killing with feeding illegal immigrants? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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