Mannmere Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 http://www.sikhmarg.com/english/The-Sikhs.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hg45 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 It is very clear now. I found more information on this link. http://www.realsikhism.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1248368734&ucat=7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanatan sikh Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Can somebody explain this then http://sanatansikhi.blogspot.co.uk/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I am for a independent Sikh identity at least in these times ..since this so called Hinduism now is a Neo Hindu model which wont benefit Hindus ..forget Sikhs or others ..the second reason is there will be more kes kattal....and for no reason do i want to see Sikhi melting away... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASJ Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 http://www.sikhmarg.com/english/The-Sikhs.html Interesting read. Why are they confusing the Sikh religion with the hindu religion then? Can someone explain this too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Interesting read. Why are they confusing the Sikh religion with the hindu religion then? Can someone explain this too? I think that part of the problem is that medieval source or eyewitness accounts of Sikhs paint a picture that is confusing. For example, a muslim source who watched the final rites for Guru Gobind Singh describes it as Hindu final rites. Other sources say differently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Interesting read. Why are they confusing the Sikh religion with the hindu religion then? Can someone explain this too? I think that part of the problem is that medieval source or eyewitness accounts of Sikhs paint a picture that is confusing. For example, a muslim source who watched the final rites for Guru Gobind Singh describes it as Hindu final rites. Other sources say differently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I think that part of the problem is that medieval source or eyewitness accounts of Sikhs paint a picture that is confusing. For example, a muslim source who watched the final rites for Guru Gobind Singh describes it as Hindu final rites. Other sources say differently.There were no final rites for guru gobind Singh ji. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASJ Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 There were no final rites for guru gobind Singh ji. I totally agree with you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASJ Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) I think that part of the problem is that medieval source or eyewitness accounts of Sikhs paint a picture that is confusing. For example, a muslim source who watched the final rites for Guru Gobind Singh describes it as Hindu final rites. Other sources say differently. Which problem are you on about? Stop misleading people on this forum. What medieval source are you talking about? What muslim source for heavens sake are you referring to? Which final rites of our Beloved Dasam Patshah do you mean? Don't you dare tell lies to us and stop forcing your hinduism on us. This is equivalent to force conversions. PS Do not bother to communicate with me . I have seen enough of your insults hurled at the Sacred Sikh Ardas. Who the hell are you to question whether it reaches 'your friend in the sky'? You think you are in a position to criticize, undermine or insult the Sikh Gurus on what they preached? So stop talking rubbish and think before you post. Making a mockery out of everything that is sacrosanct to all Sikhs! Let me tell you once again I am a Sikh and not a hindu I only worship ONE Waheguru. I am not interested in any other religion whether it is Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism or Islam. I respect their belief and act of worship but I only have faith in the Sikh Gurus and what they taught. I don't dislike anyone on this forum All I am saying is that as a Sikh I worship the way our Gurus have taught us. I Only believe in Ik Onkaar. I respect all religions. Edited October 29, 2014 by ASJ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Singh123456777 Posted October 28, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Gurbar Akaal Ke Hukam Seon Upjayo Bigayaana, Tab Sahejay Racheo Khalsa Saabat Mardaana, Eon Uthey Singh Bhabkaarkey Sabh Jug Darpaana, Marri Deval Gor Maseet Dha Key Maidaana, Ved Shaastr Mitaey Kar Maarey Sultaana, Mir-Pir Sabh Shap Gaye Majhabo Ultaana, Malvane Kazi Fir Thakey Kutch Maram Na Jaana, Lakh Pandit Brahmin Jotki Bikh Ras Urjhaana, Funh Paathar Deval Pooj Ke Att he Bhaklaana, Eon Dono Firke Kapat Meh Rach Rahe Nidaana, Eh Teesar Majhab KHALSA Upjeo Pardhaana, Jin Guru Gobind Ke Hukam Seon Gheh Khadag Dikhaana, Teh Sabh Dushtan Kau Ched Ke Akaal Japaana, Fir Aeso Hukam Akaal Ka Jag Meh Pragataana, Tab Sunnat Koi Naa Kar Sakeh Kampeo Turkaana, Eon Ummat Sabh Muhammadi Khap Gaye Nidaana, Tab Fateh Dank Jug Meh Ghureh Dukh Dund Mitaana, Eon Teesar Panth Rachaeen Vad Soor Gahelaa. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASJ Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 http://www.sikhmarg.com/english/sikhs-not-hindus.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Gurbar Akaal Ke Hukam Seon Upjayo Bigayaana, Tab Sahejay Racheo Khalsa Saabat Mardaana, Eon Uthey Singh Bhabkaarkey Sabh Jug Darpaana, Marri Deval Gor Maseet Dha Key Maidaana, Ved Shaastr Mitaey Kar Maarey Sultaana, Mir-Pir Sabh Shap Gaye Majhabo Ultaana, Malvane Kazi Fir Thakey Kutch Maram Na Jaana, Lakh Pandit Brahmin Jotki Bikh Ras Urjhaana, Funh Paathar Deval Pooj Ke Att he Bhaklaana, Eon Dono Firke Kapat Meh Rach Rahe Nidaana, Eh Teesar Majhab KHALSA Upjeo Pardhaana, Jin Guru Gobind Ke Hukam Seon Gheh Khadag Dikhaana, Teh Sabh Dushtan Kau Ched Ke Akaal Japaana, Fir Aeso Hukam Akaal Ka Jag Meh Pragataana, Tab Sunnat Koi Naa Kar Sakeh Kampeo Turkaana, Eon Ummat Sabh Muhammadi Khap Gaye Nidaana, Tab Fateh Dank Jug Meh Ghureh Dukh Dund Mitaana, Eon Teesar Panth Rachaeen Vad Soor Gahelaa. Nuff said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Gurbar Akaal Ke Hukam Seon Upjayo Bigayaana, Tab Sahejay Racheo Khalsa Saabat Mardaana, Eon Uthey Singh Bhabkaarkey Sabh Jug Darpaana, Marri Deval Gor Maseet Dha Key Maidaana, Ved Shaastr Mitaey Kar Maarey Sultaana, Mir-Pir Sabh Shap Gaye Majhabo Ultaana, Malvane Kazi Fir Thakey Kutch Maram Na Jaana, Lakh Pandit Brahmin Jotki Bikh Ras Urjhaana, Funh Paathar Deval Pooj Ke Att he Bhaklaana, Eon Dono Firke Kapat Meh Rach Rahe Nidaana, Eh Teesar Majhab KHALSA Upjeo Pardhaana, Jin Guru Gobind Ke Hukam Seon Gheh Khadag Dikhaana, Teh Sabh Dushtan Kau Ched Ke Akaal Japaana, Fir Aeso Hukam Akaal Ka Jag Meh Pragataana, Tab Sunnat Koi Naa Kar Sakeh Kampeo Turkaana, Eon Ummat Sabh Muhammadi Khap Gaye Nidaana, Tab Fateh Dank Jug Meh Ghureh Dukh Dund Mitaana, Eon Teesar Panth Rachaeen Vad Soor Gahelaa. This is how the Sikhs of the 18th century viewed the role of the Khalsa in this world. That the Mosques and Mandirs, the Qurans and Purans would all be destroyed and the Khalsa would reign supreme. Hindus fools like Sherni and others useless Hindu idiots think that the Khalsa was created to protect the Hindus and went to Hardwar following Hindus rites! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Which problem are you on about? Stop misleading people on this forum. What medieval source are you talking about? What muslim source for heavens sake are you referring to? Which final rites of our Beloved Dasam Patshah do you mean? Don't you dare tell lies to us and stop forcing your hinduism on us. This is equivalent to force conversions. PS Do not bother to communicate with me . I have seen enough of your insults hurled at the Sacred Sikh Ardas. Who the hell are you to question whether it reaches 'your friend in the sky'? You think you are in a position to criticize, undermine or insult the Sikh Gurus on what they preached? So stop talking rubbish and think before you post. Making a mockery out of everything that is sacrosanct to all Sikhs! Let me tell you once again I am a Sikh and not a hindu I only worship ONE Waheguru. I am not interested in any other religion whether it is Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism or Islam. I respect their belief and act of worship but I only have faith in the Sikh Gurus and what they taught. I don't dislike anyone on this forum All I am saying is that as a Sikh I worship the way our Gurus have taught us. I Only believe in Ik Onkaar. I respect all religions. I finally managed to track down the name of this document - called the Ibrat Nama by Muhammed Hairasi(?) and apparently he watched the final rites and says Guru Gobind Singh was cremated as per Hindu rites. This is the same Hairasi that watched Banda Bahadur Singhs last days in Lahore before he is executed and describes the scene often cited by sikhs themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 who wrote this and in which book? If semi-literate kirtanias like Dhadrianwala and choranwali err Moranwali interpret Sikhi in their own idiotic way and write some chimta song on it, does not mean it becomes Gurbani.This is Bhai gurdas ji di vaar 41 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 He is the same writer who wrote vaho vaho gobind Singh appe gur chela and many other famous shabads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savinderpalsingh Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 wow to call bhai gurdas such disrespecting words, waheguru 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 No offence but Bhai Gurdas ji died in 1636 AD. Secondly, acc the information I have, the writer (written after Khalsa sirjna so it has to be some one other than Bhai ji) of Bhai Gurdas varran wrote 40 vaars. where did this 41st Vaar came from? Would you please give the link to the whole compilation which includes 41st Vaar as well? Bhai Gurdas Singh ji. Contemporary of Dasve Patshah 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 No offence but Bhai Gurdas ji died in 1636 AD. Secondly, acc the information I have, the writer (written after Khalsa sirjna so it has to be some one other than Bhai ji) of Bhai Gurdas varran wrote 40 vaars. where did this 41st Vaar came from? Would you please give the link to the whole compilation which includes 41st Vaar as well? Wow, I thought you were an expert on Sikhi having sprouted your BS views about Sikhi in the last year. Read Uggardanti as well, from which the RSS use some tuks out of context or mistranslate to claim that Khalsa wanted the Hindu dharm to be supreme. Both works outline the Sikh worldview which is totally contrary to the one you Hindus like to espouse of Sikhs being just a bunch of Keshdhari Hindus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchpagg47 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 No offence but Bhai Gurdas ji died in 1636 AD. Secondly, acc the information I have, the writer (written after Khalsa sirjna so it has to be some one other than Bhai ji) of Bhai Gurdas varran wrote 40 vaars. where did this 41st Vaar came from? Would you please give the link to the whole compilation which includes 41st Vaar as well? ADMIN BAN HIM PLEASE ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ । ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ । । 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savinderpalsingh Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 waheguru , so much manmat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannmere Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) This is how the Sikhs of the 18th century viewed the role of the Khalsa in this world. That the Mosques and Mandirs, the Qurans and Purans would all be destroyed and the Khalsa would reign supreme. Hindus fools like Sherni and others useless Hindu idiots think that the Khalsa was created to protect the Hindus and went to Hardwar following Hindus rites! Very true. Here is a link that will explain everything. http://searchsikhism.com/refuting-rashtriya-sikh-sangat ਤੁਮਰੇ ਗੁਣ ਕਿਆ ਕਹਾ ਮੇਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਾ ਜਬ ਗੁਰੁ ਬੋਲਹ ਤਬ ਬਿਸਮੁ ਹੋਇ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਹਮ ਜੈਸੇ ਅਪਰਾਧੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਕੋਈ ਰਾਖੈ ਜੈਸੇ ਹਮ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਰਾਖਿ ਲੀਏ ਛਡਾਇ ॥ Lyrics Translation In English: What Glorious Virtues of Yours can I describe,O my True Guru? When I speak of the Guru (read Gurbani) , I am transfixed with wonder. Can anyone else save a sinner like me? But The True Guru has protected and saved me. Lyrics Translation In English: What Glorious Virtues of Yours can I describe,O my True Guru? When I speak of the Guru (read Gurbani) , I am transfixed with wonder. Can anyone else save a sinner like me? But The True Guru has protected and saved me. Edited October 31, 2014 by Mannmere 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 ADMIN BAN HIM PLEASE ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ । ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ । । Let him write he is a perfect example of Radical Punjabi Hindu thats how these people are . He will continue to get answer in the language he understand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 No offence but Bhai Gurdas ji died in 1636 AD. Secondly, acc the information I have, the writer (written after Khalsa sirjna so it has to be some one other than Bhai ji) of Bhai Gurdas varran wrote 40 vaars. where did this 41st Vaar came from? Would you please give the link to the whole compilation which includes 41st Vaar as well?Bhai gurdas Singh was one of the 51 or 52 kavis in Sri guru gobind Singh ji maharaj's court. This was written in 1700 when guru ji was still alive.http://www.sikhiwiki.org/images/5/55/Bhai_Gurdas_Singh.pdf This is the full 41 vaar. I would have posted this yesterday but I was having the Sangat of giani pinderpal Singh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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