amar_jkp Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 what is the bloody truth?!! there is no evidence that a Gurdwara ever existed at har Ki pauri still randi rona brigade is wailing injustice. if one gudrwara was demolished in haridwar (which is a small town) in 1984 how come 4 other gurdwaras were not even touched? on the other hand, there is strong evidence of idol worship in HariMANDIR yet the denial squad is not even ready to consider handing over harimandir to the rightful owners - sanatani Hindus. if the idols were on the parkarma (so were the Hindu mythological paintings till 1984), ok, let there be a Hindu temple in the parkarma at least. you are yourself admitting the existence of the Hindu temple/s in harmndir sahib yet want to do nothing about it on the other hand your are wailing out loud for a building which probably never existed or was too small to notice. Video is already prove that Gurdwara existed and it was historical Gurdwara and your Hindu Murtis have no history they were put their by British and Udasi . If Gurdwara not allowed to be built then Shani mandir in front of Darbar sahib should also be shut down and its idol should be taken to Durgiana Mandar . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savinderpalsingh Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 why sikhs destroyed akal takht? why do we eat chloromint? melody itni chocolaty kyun hai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 only an idiot would accept such evidence of this video made in 2012. tomorrow you would make video as if it was recorded inside vatican and start randi rona that a Gurdwara Sistine sahib existed where the St Peter's church now stands. yes fanatic extremists, neo-auragzebs like you would one day pull down shani mandir too to prove some petty point of yours. i would not be surprised if the badal govt looks the other way. but if fair system is to prevail then murtis should be brought back to the hari's mandir. Only an idiot would believe in the existence of 7 headed snake and a man sitting on it under the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Lol! Good stuff Sher. If you live by word... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 What would you say if Hindus agitate to get harmandar Sahib back from Tat Khalsa occupiers? After all it is Mandar for Hari and there is a record of idols being worshiped there till 100 years back. Modern khalsa aurangzebs have removed Hindu paintings from parkarma and many other sikh temples after 1984. they are Mandars too and so are Hemkunt, Manikaran and many others which were used as joint temples till not so distant past. Should Hindus ask Sikhs to hand over all such temples? You dont get it at all do you ? Harmandir sahib is open to all , regardless of caste,colour ....period. No one will stop you going to harimandir Sahib except yourself , your own beliefs. Waheguru does not care which , Mandir, Gurudawara,mosque, church,synigog you go to or owned by x,y, or z , its your inner self that needs to make the connection and get blessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSG Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 You still dont get it .. You cant even remember what you are writing now .. Please read your posts before posting waheguru does not care... then why such hue and cry over the alleged haridwar gurdwara!! why there are so many caste gurdwaras even in small villages? Thats not waheguru , thats people ... each individual has a choice , the caste gurudawaras are peoples own doings , the Hindus caste system and their stance on lower castes are peoples own doings .. and nothing to do with religion and the purpose for holy places built . Read the truth in the scriptures you follow or believe in , if you keep going on about Sikh this, sikh that just to earn some points and feed your ego , you wont get anywhere ... now will it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Harmandir sahib is open... and so are most of the hindu temples, mosques and churches. what is the point you are trying to prove here? when did i say my entry into HS is restricted? waheguru does not care... then why such hue and cry over the alleged haridwar gurdwara!! why there are so many caste gurdwaras even in small villages? Gurdwara is a historical and will be built there and hue cry is same as you people made of Raja Ram chandar birth place. Even Hindus ae not sure where muthlogical character was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 just 7 headed? how about this one: Thousand feet, thousand eyes, thousands fangs... Page 298, Line 1ਊਤਮੁ ਊਚੌ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਗੁਣ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਸੇਖ ॥ऊतमु ऊचौ पारब्रहमु गुण अंतु न जाणहि सेख ॥Ūṯam ūcẖou pārbarahm guṇ anṯ na jāṇėh sekẖ.that the Supreme Lord God is the most sublime and lofty. Even the thousand-tongued serpent does not know the limits of His Glories.Guru Arjan Dev Page 330, Line 8ਸਨਕਾਦਿਕ ਨਾਰਦ ਮੁਨਿ ਸੇਖਾ ॥सनकादिक नारद मुनि सेखा ॥Sankāḏik nāraḏ mun sekẖā.Even sages like Sanak and Naarad, and the thousand-headed serpent,Devotee Kabir Page 968, Line 2ਜਿਨਿ ਬਾਸਕੁ ਨੇਤ੍ਰੈ ਘਤਿਆ ਕਰਿ ਨੇਹੀ ਤਾਣੁ ॥जिनि बासकु नेत्रै घतिआ करि नेही ताणु ॥Jin bāsak neṯrai gẖaṯi▫ā kar nehī ṯāṇ.He took the thousand-headed serpent as his churning string with the force of devotional love,.Balwand & Sata - Page 1083, Line 5ਸਹਸ ਫਨੀ ਸੇਖ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਨੈ ॥सहस फनी सेख अंतु न जानै ॥Sahas fanī sekẖ anṯ na jānai.Even the thousand-headed serpent does not know Your limit.Guru Arjan Dev Page 1236, Line 6ਅਨਿਕ ਸੇਖ ਨਵਤਨ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੇਹਿ ॥अनिक सेख नवतन नामु लेहि ॥Anik sekẖ navṯan nām lehi.Many thousand-headed snakes, chanting ever-new Names of God.Guru Arjan Dev Sekh = Sheshnag the 7 headed snake ridiculed by the mahagyani poster above. Page 1292, Line 9ਜਾਂ ਚੈ ਘਰਿ ਕੂਰਮਾ ਪਾਲੁ ਸਹਸ੍ਰ ਫਨੀ ਬਾਸਕੁ ਸੇਜ ਵਾਲੂਆ ॥जां चै घरि कूरमा पालु सहस्र फनी बासकु सेज वालूआ ॥Jāʼn cẖai gẖar kūrmā pāl sahsar fanī bāsak sej vālū▫ā.In His Home, the celestial turtle is the bed-frame, woven with the strings of the thousand-headed snake.Devotee Namdev Page 1309, Line 12ਸਹਸ ਫਨੀ ਜਪਿਓ ਸੇਖਨਾਗੈ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਤਿਆ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਵੈਗੋ ॥सहस फनी जपिओ सेखनागै हरि जपतिआ अंतु न पावैगो ॥Sahas fanī japi▫o sekẖnāgai har japṯi▫ā anṯ na pāvaigo.The serpent king chants and meditates on the Lord with his thousands of heads, but even by these chants, he cannot find the Lord's limits.Guru Ram Das Page 1322, Line 2ਜੋਗ ਗਿਆਨ ਧਿਆਨ ਸੇਖਨਾਗੈ ਸਗਲ ਜਪਹਿ ਤਰੰਗੀ ॥जोग गिआन धिआन सेखनागै सगल जपहि तरंगी ॥Jog gi▫ān ḏẖi▫ān sekẖnāgai sagal jāpėh ṯarangī.Yogis, spiritual teachers, meditators and the thousand-headed serpent all meditate on the Waves of God.Guru Arjan Dev Page 1386, Line 16ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਦਿਕ ਸਨਕਾਦਿ ਸੇਖ ਗੁਣ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥ब्रहमादिक सनकादि सेख गुण अंतु न पाए ॥Barahmāḏik sankāḏ sekẖ guṇ anṯ na pā▫e.Neither Brahma, nor Sanak, nor the thousand-headed serpent king can find the limits of His Glorious Virtues.Guru Arjan Dev - Page 1390, Line 2ਗਾਵੈ ਗੁਣ ਸੇਸੁ ਸਹਸ ਜਿਹਬਾ ਰਸ ਆਦਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗਿ ਧੁਨਾ ॥गावै गुण सेसु सहस जिहबा रस आदि अंति लिव लागि धुना ॥Gāvai guṇ ses sahas jihbā ras āḏ anṯ liv lāg ḏẖunā.The thousand-tongued serpent king sings His Praises with delight, remaining lovingly attached to Him.Bard Kal-sahar - Page 1390, Line 13ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਪਾਯਾਲਿ ਭਗਤ ਨਾਗਾਦਿ ਭੁਯੰਗਮ ॥गुण गावहि पायालि भगत नागादि भुयंगम ॥Guṇ gāvahi pā▫yāl bẖagaṯ nāgāḏ bẖuyangam.In the nether worlds, His Praises are sung by the devotees like Shaysh-naag in serpent form.Bard Kal-sahar Dasam Granth makes is amply clear: Sehsrachh jaako shubh sohe. Sehas pud jaake tan mohe. Shesh Naag per soibo kare. Jagteh shekhsai oochrey. Meaning: God, who is adorned by thousands of eyes, and whom thousands of feet make very attractive, makes Sheshnaag His resting place. That is why He is known as the master of Sheshnaag in the world. These things are written keeping Hindus ii mind and what message its giving read that again its questioning your Tri Dev superiority . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 They do faint overwhelmed with gratitude. they did faint when Todar Mal spread gold coins for 100 of meters to get Shahibzadas' bodies or when Mati Das Sati das Dyal Das made the supreme sacrifice. or when banda bahadur avenged Guru sahib's humiliations and also made the ultimate sacrifice...they did faint when Hindu rajas gave refuge to Sikh children, women, men EVERY TIME a muslim invader came knocking or when hindus risked their lives and properties to save 1000s of sikh brethren in 1984 delhi riots. get a life otherwise keep rotting in hatred and krodh Sati Das , Mati Das and Banda Bhadur were Sikhs and no doubt Todar Mal being a Hindu helped Sikhs even when majority of Hindu were working with Mughals by providing information of Sikhs. Where were tri devs hidding when their Mandirs were getting burned down ? Why crore of Hindus whose population is more then insects in India were watching the humilation of their temples . Kasam Akal ke khaate hai Gurdwara vahi banaenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnPathToSikhi Posted December 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 So here we go again .. sati das Mati das were brahmins who followed their faith like their forefathers, no deviation. Bhai Mati Das & Bhai Sati Das were both Sikhs. If you know what "Sikh" means. banda bahadur was a vaishnav when Guru sahib approached him and he died a vaishnav. Banda Singh Bahadur was a Sikh. Again, if you know what a "Sikh" means. Question for you. Do you know what Hindu means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savinderpalsingh Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 No offense to the sane element on this Forum but there are 10s of instances where Guru Sahibans collaborated with Mughals included participation in campaigns against Hindus (Assam by Guru teg bahadur and rajsthan, Deccan by Guru Gobind Singhji). There are also recorded instances where Guru sahib (or their sahibzadas) lived in Aurangzeb's darbar! na chedo eho jehe embarrassing jakham. When mandirs were getting burned down... Such a lowlife would come out with nothing but cheap jibes. Tridevs were in the same place where your eesht (if they are different from Sanatanis/Hindus) were when Abdali destroyed your lone temple harimandir three times. Had there been more Sikh temples, they would have met the same fate, stop living in delusion. the Tridevs were at the same place when Muslims brought down 1000s of your temples in Pakistan in 1947. Never forget 1947 (forget destroyed/defiled Sikh temples and 200-300,000 Sikh children, women men killed by Muslims in 1947 as it would damage your evil Khalistani-Muslim brotherhood). Khush hain hunn? okay , not reading someones views anymore who is questioning what guru's did . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 sati das Mati das were brahmins who followed their faith like their forefathers, no deviation. banda bahadur was a vaishnav when Guru sahib approached him and he died a vaishnav.this is one of the reasons Tat Khalsa including children of previous Gurus, BETRAYED him and accepted whatever mughal emperor threw in front of them. he married according to his caste (so did Guru sahibs). (modern day Haryana) Hindus formed bulwark of Banda's initial army and always stayed with him. in the initial days of Khalsa, Hindu Khalsa was a part of the Sikh/Hindu resistance. Interestingly, till early last century, there are instances where phrases like 'Hindu Sikh Jat' were used. Hindus giving information on Sikhs/khalsa. Disgusting allegation, need to give evidence of such betrayal. on the contrary, the instances of Brar and other jats betraying or harassing Guru Gobind Singh are well recorded. Betrayal by Jat goes back to the 8th century i.e. whenever they first started to find a mention in the history books. No offense to the sane element on this Forum but there are 10s of instances where Guru Sahibans collaborated with Mughals included participation in campaigns against Hindus (Assam by Guru teg bahadur and rajsthan, Deccan by Guru Gobind Singhji). There are also recorded instances where Guru sahib (or their sahibzadas) lived in Aurangzeb's darbar! na chedo eho jehe embarrassing jakham. When mandirs were getting burned down... Such a lowlife would come out with nothing but cheap jibes. Tridevs were in the same place where your eesht (if they are different from Sanatanis/Hindus) were when Abdali destroyed your lone temple harimandir three times. Had there been more Sikh temples, they would have met the same fate, stop living in delusion. the Tridevs were at the same place when Muslims brought down 1000s of your temples in Pakistan in 1947. Never forget 1947 (forget destroyed/defiled Sikh temples and 200-300,000 Sikh children, women men killed by Muslims in 1947 as it would damage your evil Khalistani-Muslim brotherhood). Khush hain hunn? What can I say? Nothing but lies. How long does it take you to come up with stories like "the Sahibzade lived in Aurangzeb ' s darbar"? Is there ANYONE else who agrees with this craziness? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnPathToSikhi Posted December 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Your other comments are disregarded already since they either baseless or convoluted. Let us focus on these two for now: Sikh simply means student. Simply? OK. Please explain - Student of? The arabs, persians and other foreigners called all those people who lived on the eastern side of river Sindhu as Hindu. You aka "Hindu" are living on a name given by Arabs, persians & other foreigners.? What do You call yourself? Or should we say that these "other" foreigners left a mark of slavery which you are still feel "proud" of? A set of people being identified based on geographical boundaries. When did this become a "religion"? Possibly this was "gifted" by the Arabs, persians & other foreigners? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Guru Har Rai sent his son Ram Rai to Aurangzeb's court. Sikh Militancy in the Seventeenth Century: Religous Violence in Mughal and ... By Hardip Singh Syan page 127 As the name suggests, the book has been authored by a Sikh so you cannot claim RSS or shiv sena have corrupted 'glorious' history of Sikhs. This book also claims that another 'sahibzada' Dhir mal also lived and died in a Mughal controlled fort (Ranthambhor). whether he was protectee or a prisoner is not clear. earlier he definitely enjoyed Mughal patronage. after Guru gobind Singh ji 'appeared' in Bahadur Shah's court in Agra, he left his remaining family in Mughal capital Delhi. Later on, thisMughal patronage became one big reason for the betrayal of Banda Bahadur. Next Guru sahib harkrishanji himself went and lived in Aurngzeb's court where he died of smallpox. Hindu Sorry, just to be clear, your logic is that, just because Guru Harkrishan Ji Maharaj went to Aurangzeb's darbar, that means he is hindu? Complete nonsense. As far as I understand, and anyone may feel free to correct me on this, Sri Guru Harkrishan Ji Maharaj refused to even see Aurangzeb. All you are doing is quoting questionable sources, distorting the facts in a futile attempt to "strong-arm" history to prove your baseless point that Sikhs are / should be Hindus. Feel free to read the Guru's Bani to understand what a Sikh is. Otherwise, give it a rest. If you're so insistent that Sikhs are the same as Hindus, then you would have no objection to taking Amrit, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Your other comments are disregarded already since they either baseless or convoluted. Let us focus on these two for now: Simply? OK. Please explain - Student of? You aka "Hindu" are living on a name given by Arabs, persians & other foreigners.? What do You call yourself? Or should we say that these "other" foreigners left a mark of slavery which you are still feel "proud" of?A set of people being identified based on geographical boundaries. When did this become a "religion"? Possibly this was "gifted" by the Arabs, persians & other foreigners? When did Sikhism become a religion? Is this word used in sikh writings and scriptures? Or is this a mark of slavery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 if the agitators believe that a place became gurdwara forever if Guru Granth sahib was recited there once for a brief period then the same principle should also apply to the worship of Hindu idols inside Harmandir sahib! I hope i am making 'some' sense here. you are making about as much sense as you always have here. Very little. You want to link idols to a Gurdwara in the same way that Guru Granth Sahib is linked to a Gurdwara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 They do faint overwhelmed with gratitude. they did faint when Todar Mal spread gold coins for 100 of meters to get Shahibzadas' bodies or when Mati Das Sati das Dyal Das made the supreme sacrifice. or when banda bahadur avenged Guru sahib's humiliations and also made the ultimate sacrifice... 1 out of 3. you talk about rot and hatred but show it in all your posts. You can't even accept Bhai Mati Das Banda Bahadaur etc as Sikhs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 sati das Mati das were brahmins who followed their faith like their forefathers, no deviation. banda bahadur was a vaishnav when Guru sahib approached him and he died a vaishnav. being any caste was no barrier to becoming a sikh. Disgusting allegation, need to give evidence of such betrayal. on the contrary, the instances of Brar and other jats betraying or harassing Guru Gobind Singh are well recorded. Betrayal by Jat goes back to the 8th century i.e. whenever they first started to find a mention in the history books. and again we come full circle to your silly rhetoric. you have been trying to force this hindutva bs on this forum for ages. has it got you anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnPathToSikhi Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Arabs did not invade india much. their attacks were repulsed in the centuries following Mohammad's death. You were named "Hindus" by a few mughal invaders? Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 weird, i thought u were asking me or anyone else to provide evidence that sahibzadas lived in mughal courts!! npw i hv provided the instances where sahibzadas and even Guru sahiban living in MCs ...u have suddenly decided to drp ur own question!! I'm not dropping anything, rather trying to highlight your intention. If you are trying to justify "Sikhs are Hindus, then let's get one thing straight: You DO NOT define what a Sikh is. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj define what a Sikh is. Surely this is something we can both agree on!? Now, if you want to discuss this in the aforementioned context, the I suggest you create another thread (instead of derailing this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Is this word used in sikh writings and scriptures? Ummmm. ..yeah... And as far as slavery goes, then a Sikh is a slave of no one but his Guru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ummmm. ..yeah... And as far as slavery goes, then a Sikh is a slave of no one but his Guru. That's nice. Find the word "religion" uttered by the Sikh gurus anywhere. Also, you seem to look at the SGPC for guidance, an institution created by the British. A sign of a slave mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 When did Sikhism become a religion? Is this word used in sikh writings and scriptures? Or is this a mark of slavery? Your other comments are disregarded already since they either baseless or convoluted. Let us focus on these two for now: Simply? OK. Please explain - Student of? You aka "Hindu" are living on a name given by Arabs, persians & other foreigners.? What do You call yourself? Or should we say that these "other" foreigners left a mark of slavery which you are still feel "proud" of? A set of people being identified based on geographical boundaries. When did this become a "religion"? Possibly this was "gifted" by the Arabs, persians & other foreigners? I notice you like the Arab naming of "Hindus" - but in your silly statement you make an awful omission. For the Arabs everybody on this subcontinent was Hindu, therefore, Sikhs are hindus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Sorry, just to be clear, your logic is that, just because Guru Harkrishan Ji Maharaj went to Aurangzeb's darbar, that means he is hindu? Complete nonsense. As far as I understand, and anyone may feel free to correct me on this, Sri Guru Harkrishan Ji Maharaj refused to even see Aurangzeb. All you are doing is quoting questionable sources, distorting the facts in a futile attempt to "strong-arm" history to prove your baseless point that Sikhs are / should be Hindus. Feel free to read the Guru's Bani to understand what a Sikh is. Otherwise, give it a rest. If you're so insistent that Sikhs are the same as Hindus, then you would have no objection to taking Amrit, would you? Why would I take Amrit? And give up thousands of years of history? For what? Nope, we don't need anything from you. Just STOP using our teachings, modifying them to suit your own agenda. As a Hindu, I don't need to learn anything from Sikhism. Its the other way around. Always has been. From the time Sikhs went undercover to Haridwar to get a morsel of knowledge with new names and disguises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnPathToSikhi Posted December 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 For the Arabs everybody on this subcontinent was Hindu, therefore, Sikhs are hindus. What happened. Scared already? You listened to your masters and remained Hindus. So now enjoy your title given to you by your mughal masters. Sikhs were, are and will always be free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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