paapiman Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) How many Sikhs by the name of "Mani Singh" existed during the times of Satgurus? One is the famous, Srimaan 108 Shaheed Baba Mani SIngh jee Maharaaj. There was another Sikh, by the name of Bhai Mani Singh jee (Chauhan). Can someone please provide more details?Thankswjkk wjkfBhul chuk maaf Edited September 14, 2015 by paapiman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) There is a lot of discussion in regards to the Bhai Mani Singhs of history. From what i've gathered, Bhai Mani SIngh Shaheed is categorised of both multani, rajput and jatt ancestry. But they are all talking about the same person. Edited September 13, 2015 by amardeep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) There is a lot of discussion in regards to the Bhai Mani Singhs of history. From what i've gathered, Bhai Mani SIngh Shaheed is categorised of both multani, rajput and jatt ancestry. But they are all talking about the same person.Bro, Shaheed Baba Mani Singh jee was of Kamboj ancestry, He was neither Jatt nor Rajput. Bhai Mani Singh jee Chauhan was of Rajput ancestry.It was Gyani Gyan Singh jee (Jatt ancestry) who claimed that he was a descendant of Shaheed Baba Mani Singh jee.Bhul chuk maaf Edited September 13, 2015 by paapiman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Yes there was a Kamboj also. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Where does Giani Gian SIngh claim he was a descendant. Can you post the lines 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Where does Giani Gian SIngh claim he was a descendant. Can you post the lines ਪਿੱਛੇ ਦਿਖਾਏ ਇਲਮਾਂ, ਹੁਨਰਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਬਨਾਵਟ ਸਮਝਣ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਅਸੀਂ ਅਪਣੇ ਨੇਤ੍ਰੀ ਦੇਖੀ ਵਾਰਤਾ ਦੱਸਦੇ ਹਾਂ।ਇਲਮ ਤੀਰੰਦਾਜ਼ੀ ਤੇ ਲੱਕੜੀ ਬਾਜ਼ੀ ਦਾ ਥੋੜ੍ਹੇ ਹੀ ਬਰਸ ਹੋਏ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਿਚ ਅਜੇਹਾ ਚਰਚਾ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਣਕੇ ਅਨੇਕ ਅੰਗ੍ਰੇਜ਼ੀ ਪੜ੍ਹੇ ਹੋਏ ਗੱਭਰੂ ਅਚਰਜ ਮਨਣਗੇ। ਸਰਦਾਰ ਅਮਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਮਜੀਠੀਆ, ਬੁੱਧ ਸਿੰਘ, ਵਸਾਵਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਸੰਧਾ ਵਾਲੀਏ ਵਗ਼ੈਰਾ ਅਨੇਕ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਕੜਾਹੇ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਦੀ ਤੀਰ ਨਿਕਾਲ ਦਿੰਦੇ ਸਨ ਤੇ ਜਿੱਥੇ ਚਾਹੁੰਦੇ ਓਥੇ ਹੀ ਬਾਣ ਮਾਰਦੇ। ਭਾਈ ਮਨੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਸਕਾ ਭਤੀਜਾ ਏਸ ਤਵਾਰੀਖ ਦੇ ਕਰਤਾ ਦਾ ਬਾਬਾ ਭਾਈ ਦਰਗਾਹਾਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ‘ਸ਼ਬਦ ਬੇਧ’ ਅਰਥਾਤ ਅੰਧੇਰੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਜਿੱਥੋਂ ਆਵਾਜ਼ ਆਂਵਦੀ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਮੂੰਹ ਯਾ ਦੇਹ ਵਿੱਚ ਅਚੂਕ ਤੀਰ ਮਾਰਦਾ। For anyone considering the account of the skills and knowledge that were previously described to be fictitious, I’ll now give an account of what I have witnessed with my very own eyes. It’s only been a few years since the arts of archery and stick fighting were discussed in such a way that should young British educated men have heard it, they would've considered it to be astonishing. Sardars like Amar Singh Majitia, Budh Singh, Wasava Singh Sandawalia and many other chieftains could shoot arrows straight through [metal] cauldrons and their arrows would strike targets wherever they desired. Bhai Mani Singh ji’s nephew, [who was] the author of this historical document's forefather [called] Baba Dargaha Singh ji could 'pierce the word' meaning that even in the dark, they could accurately shoot an arrow into the mouth or body of anyone who made a sound. Edited September 14, 2015 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 wow Interesting. Im gonna look into that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 wow Interesting. Im gonna look into that.This will help: http://sikhinstitute.org/april_2013/13-mohanbir.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Amardeep: You might want to find this original text in Suraj Prakash too. If you do find the Gurmukhi, be sure to share it with us. Pur Multan Alipur nede , Mayidas Rajput baseretin ke Mani Singh sut hoyo ,aye taha gur darsan joyoPaanch putra lai aone saath ,sharni paryo rahyo gurnathso panoche bhrata kar khare , singh naam gur tin k dharebadho Bachittar singh payo , Udai Singh dusar bidatyo..........--- ( Rut-20 ansh-3 of very famous Sri Suraj Parkash Granth ) Edited September 14, 2015 by amardeep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Bro, Shaheed Baba Mani Singh jee was of Kamboj ancestry, He was neither Jatt nor Rajput. Bhai Mani Singh jee Chauhan was of Rajput ancestry.Kamboh/Kamboj are of same Kshatriya varan as Rajputs. I think this is where some get mixed up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Kamboh/Kamboj are of same Kshatriya varan as Rajputs. I think this is where some get mixed up. Bro, even some Jatts claim Rajput ancestry, but they were classified as Shudar, during the times of Satgurus. According to Sri Gur Panth Prakash (by Bhai Rattan Singh), it seems that Kambojs also belonged to Shudar varan. The words used are "Kamboe Sudan". Daas might be wrong.Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Bhai Desa Singh was the youngest son of Bhai Mani Singh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Bhai Desa Singh was the youngest son of Bhai Mani Singh.Bro, is it the Bhai Desa Singh jee, who wrote the Rehatnama?Are Baba Bachitar Singh jee and Baba Uday Singh jee related to Srimaan 108 Amar Shaheed Baba Mani Singh jee?Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Yes they were also his sons. Bhai Mani Singh had some 10 sons.I dont know if it is the same Desa Singh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Yes they were also his sons. Bhai Mani Singh had some 10 sons.I dont know if it is the same Desa Singh.Paaji, can you please list all of his sons and his other relatives?Correct me if I am wrong, Babajee's family has the maximum shaheeds.ThanksBhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I dont have a list unfortunately. I think they are mentioned in Gurbilas Patshahi 10 krit Kuir Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Yes they were also his sons. Bhai Mani Singh had some 10 sons.I dont know if it is the same Desa Singh.Bro, it seems that Baba Desa Singh jee (son of Gyani jee) is the one, who wrote Rehatnama.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhai_Mani_Singh -- weak sourceBhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I dont think we'll ever know if its the same author. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 From the below, it is clear that Srimaan Baba Bachiter Singh jee and Srimaan Baba Udai Singh jee (both famous warriors of Tenth Master) were the sons of Srimaan Baba Mani Singh jee (of Rajput ancestry). The question is - Is this the same person as the famous Srimaan Shaheed Baba Mani Singh jee or not? Quote Pur Multan Alipur nede, Mayidas Rajput basere tin ke Mani Singh sut hoyo, aye taha gur darsan joyo Paanch putra lai aone saath, sharni paryo rahyo gurnath so panoche bhrata kar khare, singh naam gur tin k dhare badho Bachittar singh payo, Udai Singh dusar bidatyo — Rut-20 ansh-3 of Sri Suraj Parkash Granth Unquote[1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvZ6u_x4EtA Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 According to Srimaan Bhai Kesar Singh jee Chhibber (contemporary source), Srimaan Shaheed Baba Mani Singh jee was of Kamboj ancestry. Quote During those days most of the Sikhs did not mention their castes or clans with their names ,though the scholars, who were mostly the Brahmans,did mention the caste/clans of the Gurus and the important Sikhs, they wrote about. That is what Kesar Singh Chhibber does in his Bansavalinama [29], who, while writing about the Sikhs, writes the caste /clan of the persons he is writing about,and if he does not know it he mentions his village, and he writes the first name of the person only if he does not know either of these. This system of writing has a functional value because it tells which of the several Tara Singhs or Parkash Singhs in being referred to. as there used to be many Sikhs with these names. He belonged to a family which had been associated with the Gurus house for the last four generations [30], that had made supreme sacrifices for the Sikh cause, and the author Kesar Singh Chhibber spent the whole of his life( 70 years) in collecting and verifying the facts ([31], and he did all this out of his commitment to the SIkh religion [32]. He had in fact witnessed several incidents, seen some of the persons he wrote about and heard and verified[33] the facts he wrote about. Any serious student of history should think several times before controverting the contemporary evidence recorded by such scholars. Chhibber writes several things about Bhai Mani Singh e.g. his coming to Amritsar along with Mama Kirpal ,staying at Akal Bunga, working as the Granthi of the Harmander Sahib, collecting the writings of the tenth Guru and his poets and preparing the Dasam Granth ,and re-editing the Adi Granth according to its writers, the Gurus and the Bhagatas separately, for which he was cursed by a Sikh and he was killed at Lahore etc. He mentions the caste of Bhai Mani Singh twice. At one place [34]he states-that then Bhai Mani Singh belonging to the Kamboj caste , who had no equal among the Sikhs also reached Amritsar; and at an other [35] writes that Bhai Mani Singh Massaddi from the Kamboj caste got the material of the Granth, Avatar Lila. He is so specific and clear about the caste of Bhai Mani Singh that there is hardly any scope of any doubt in it. However since he writes that he was a child when he met Bhaj Mani Singh the critics [36] of the ‘Bhai Mani Singh Kamboja’ theory conclude that he being a child made a mistake about his caste. In response to this criticism it has been stated that on two occasions when Chhibber met Bhai Mani Singh, in 1727 and 1736, he was twenty eight and thirty seven years old; he was certainly not a child, and he has said so only to show deference to great man, and made no mistake[37]. Unquote[1] [1] - http://www.kambojsociety.com/bhai-mani-singh-and-his-caste.html Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ni main sadke tere Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 Desa Singh rehat was written by Bhoopat singh nirmala according to the Bijay Mukat Patshahi 10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Guest ni main sadke tere said: Desa Singh rehat was written by Bhoopat singh nirmala according to the Bijay Mukat Patshahi 10. Please write under the name Sikh Khoj when you're writing on the forum so people know who they are writing with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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