THE SUBCONSCIOUS MIND

[delibeli]

Does Naam simran/meditation lead us to our subconscious mind/soul?  Are they both the same?

 

 

 

[SAadmin]

Subconscious mind and soul are not same. As far as i understand, subconscious mind is collection of latent tendencies/memories from previous life, seen as form of thoughts arising and subsiding. Soul/JOT is the source or substratum - unmanifest potential -Awake pure awareness-aware of itself, self cognitive where all the world phenomena arise and subside. Its source of everything.

ਪਾਧੜੀ ਛੰਦ ॥
पाधड़ी छंद ॥
PAADHRAI STANZA

ਤ੍ਵ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
त्व प्रसादि ॥
BY THY GRACE

ਦਿਨ ਅਜਬ ਏਕ ਆਤਮਾ ਰਾਮ ॥ ਅਨਭਉ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਨਹਦ ਅਕਾਮ ॥
दिन अजब एक आतमा राम ॥ अनभउ सरूप अनहद अकाम ॥
On a day the curious soul (asked): The infinite and Desire less Lord, the Intuitive Entity.
 

ਅਨਛਿੱਜ ਤੇਜ ਆਜਾਨ ਬਾਹੁ ॥ ਰਾਜਾਨ ਰਾਜੁ ਸਾਹਾਨ ਸਾਹੁ ॥੧॥੧੨੬॥
अनछि्ज तेज आजान बाहु ॥ राजान राजु साहान साहु ॥१॥१२६॥
Of everlasting Glory and long-armed; the King of kings and Emperor of emperors.1.126.

ਉਚਰਿਓ ਆਤਮਾ ਪਰਾਤਮਾ ਸੰਗ ॥ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਬਿਗਤ ਅਭੰਗ ॥
उचरिओ आतमा परातमा संग ॥ उतभुज सरूप अबिगत अभंग ॥
The soul said to the Higher Soul; the Germinating Entity, Unmanifested and Invincible;

ਇਹ ਕਉਨ ਆਹਿ ਆਤਮਾ ਸਰੂਪ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਅਮਿਤ ਤੇਜ ਅਤਿਭੂਤਿ ਬਿਭੂਤਿ ॥੨॥੧੨੭॥
इह कउन आहि आतमा सरूप ॥ जिह अमित तेज अतिभूति बिभूति ॥२॥१२७॥
What is this Soul Entity? Which hath indelible glory and which is of queer substance."2.127.

ਪਰਾਤਮਾ ਬਾਚ ॥
परातमा बाच ॥
The Higher Soul said:

ਯਹਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਆਹਿ ਆਤਮਾ ਰਾਮ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਅਮਿਤ ਤੇਜਿ ਅਬਿਗਤ ਅਕਾਮ ॥
यहि ब्रहम आहि आतमा राम ॥ जिह अमित तेजि अबिगत अकाम ॥
This Soul is itself Brahman;" Who is of Everlasting Glory and is Unmanisfested and Desireless.

ਜਿਹ ਭੇਦ ਭਰਮ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਮ ਕਾਲ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਸਤ੍ਰ ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਸਰਬਾ ਦਿਆਲ ॥੩॥੧੨੮॥
जिह भेद भरम नहीं करम काल ॥ जिह सत्र मित्र सरबा दिआल ॥३॥१२८॥
Who is indiscriminate, actionless and deathless; Who hath no enemy and friend and is Merciful towards all.3.1228.

ਡੋਬਿਓ ਨ ਡੁਬੈ ਸੋਖਿਓ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਕਟਿਓ ਨ ਕਟੈ ਨ ਬਾਰਿਯੋ ਬਰਾਇ ॥
डोबिओ न डुबै सोखिओ न जाइ ॥ कटिओ न कटै न बारियो बराइ ॥
It is neither drowned nor soaked; It can neither be chopped nor burnt.

ਛਿਜੈ ਨ ਨੈਕ ਸਤ ਸਸਤ੍ਰ ਪਾਤ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਸਤ੍ਰ ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਤ ਪਾਤ ॥੪॥੧੨੯॥
छिजै न नैक सत ससत्र पात ॥ जिह सत्र मित्र नहीं जात पात ॥४॥१२९॥
It cannot be assailed by the blow of weapon; It hath neither an enemy nor a friend, neither caste not lineage.4.129.

ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਹੰਸ ਸਤ ਸਤ ਪ੍ਰਘਾਇ ॥ ਛਿਜੈ ਨ ਨੈਕ ਖੰਡਿਓ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
सत्र सहंस सत सत प्रघाइ ॥ छिजै न नैक खंडिओ न जाइ ॥
By the blow of thousands of enemies, It is neither wasted away nor fragmented.

ਨਹੀ ਜਰੈ ਨੈਕ ਪਾਵਕ ਮੰਝਾਰ ॥ ਬੋਰੈ ਨ ਸਿੰਧ ਸੋਖੈ ਨ ਬਯਾਰ ॥੫॥੧੩੦॥
नही जरै नैक पावक मंझार ॥ बोरै न सिंध सोखै न बयार ॥५॥१३०॥
It is not burnt even in the fire. It is neither drowned in the sea nor soaked by the air.5.130.

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[SAadmin]

Mediation helps make mind one pointedness, inward turned so it recognize its source, whether via abiding in shabad, shabad dhun, breathing or through being shabad mahavak gyan- aware of ALIVE ENLIGHTENED JOT inside everyone (being aware of awareness/awakeness) 

[delibeli]

On 9 May 2016 at 3:12 PM, N30 S!NGH said:

Mediation helps make mind one pointedness, inward turned so it recognize its source, whether via abiding in shabad, shabad dhun, breathing or through being shabad mahavak gyan- aware of ALIVE ENLIGHTENED JOT inside everyone (being aware of awareness/awakeness) 

Thanks for responding to my query.  I have another query and that is: Who is reciting the Banies when one is in deep meditation?  Not all the Banies, but the ones one recites on daily basis!   

I believe our daily spiritual discipline is deeply embedded in our subconsciouness/soul and this is what accompanies us when we die and decides accordingly if we will reincarnate again in human bodies or not.  This is the part that remembers all our karamas because they are deeply imprinted and forever stored in this hidden part of our being.  

There is no denying that our subconscious mind/soul is 'Jot Saroop' but it takes ages for a human soul to realise it. It may even take millions of reincarnations in a human body to attain this realisation. That's the reason Mahapurshs always refer to our previous karamas all the time when we are sitting in their company.   

[Sat1176]

On ‎09‎/‎05‎/‎2016 at 5:54 PM, delibeli said:

Does Naam simran/meditation lead us to our subconscious mind/soul?  Are they both the same?

Naam should take you beyond the subconscious mind to the 4th state called Turiya, Chota Pad and beyond...

30 minutes ago, delibeli said:

There is no denying that our subconscious mind/soul is 'Jot Saroop' but it takes ages for a human soul to realise it. It may even take millions of reincarnations in a human body to attain this realisation. That's the reason Mahapurshs always refer to our previous karamas all the time when we are sitting in their company.   

Try not to be so pessimistic in your thinking. Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji would never have wrote the following if it wasn't possible in this life time. The question is do you have the desire to achieve it this lifetime. Having the mind-set of oh it will happen in future janams is just an excuse to say you don't want to experience it in this one, and not prepared to put in the effort to do it in this one. Make the effort now and leave the rest to his grace. Rest what will be will be...

 

This human body has been given to you.

bha-ee paraapat maanukh dayhuree-aa.

This is your chance to meet the Lord of the Universe.

gobind milan kee ih tayree baree-aa.

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, Sat1176 said:

Naam should take you beyond the subconscious mind to the 4th state called Turiya, Chota Pad and beyond...

Bro, what is Chota Pad?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Sat1176]

48 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, what is Chota Pad?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

When mind rises above Tamo gun, Rajo gun and Sata gun qualities it enters the 4th stage known as Chota pad. 

 

 

[paapiman]

15 minutes ago, Sat1176 said:

When mind rises above Tamo gun, Rajo gun and Sata gun qualities it enters the 4th stage known as Chota pad. 

 

 

Chautha (Fourth) Pad. Cool.

Thanks bro.

 

Bhul chuk maaf