paapiman Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Has anyone read this Pothi? It was written by Darbari Das (disciple of Abhay Ram). Abhay Ram was the grandson of Kaul Sodhi, who was further grandson of Prithia. Is is available online? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 See this: https://books.google.dk/books?id=7YwNAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&dq=darbari+das+pothi&source=bl&ots=Ar6phnksrb&sig=LtRXTOZrkmVN7kdmcy1Orok9RSM&hl=da&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOq86U8d7WAhXiQJoKHaaZBiUQ6AEIUTAL#v=onepage&q=darbari das pothi&f=false 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 16 hours ago, amardeep said: See this: https://books.google.dk/books?id=7YwNAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&dq=darbari+das+pothi&source=bl&ots=Ar6phnksrb&sig=LtRXTOZrkmVN7kdmcy1Orok9RSM&hl=da&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOq86U8d7WAhXiQJoKHaaZBiUQ6AEIUTAL#v=onepage&q=darbari das pothi&f=false Have you actually read the Pothi? Has it been published? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Can't find under that title or author on PDL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Nope i've never read it but seen references to it now and then- 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 08/10/2017 at 8:30 PM, amardeep said: Nope i've never read it but seen references to it now and then- concerning what subject? Any idea on the theme or subject of the text? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 07/10/2017 at 2:27 PM, paapiman said: Has anyone read this Pothi? It was written by Darbari Das (disciple of Abhay Ram). Abhay Ram was the grandson of Kaul Sodhi, who was further grandson of Prithia. Was this Kavi part of Guru Sahib's Darbar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 15 hours ago, chatanga1 said: Was this Kavi part of Guru Sahib's Darbar? not at all. It's from the early reign of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. It belongs to the Mina literature. It's heavily influenced by the style, vocab and meters of Guru Granth Sahib. I've seen it referenced in writings on how the Guru Granth Sahib influenced Punjabi literature and sacred writings outside the Sikh fold 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Could it have been written in competition to Guru Granth Sahib if it is part of Mina literature? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 39 minutes ago, chatanga1 said: Could it have been written in competition to Guru Granth Sahib if it is part of Mina literature? No because it is from the early 1800s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 11/10/2017 at 12:53 PM, amardeep said: No because it is from the early 1800s So could it be because the Minas began to lean towards Gurmat thought? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 10/11/2017 at 7:13 AM, chatanga1 said: Could it have been written in competition to Guru Granth Sahib if it is part of Mina literature? According to katha by Gyani Inderjeet Singh jee Raqbewale, this Harjas Pothi was written in competition with Gurbani. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDoaba Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Demeaning The Sikh Tradition: A Study of Mina Poetry "Dr. Simarjit Singh’s work looks into the origin and history of the mina sect and places it in the broader context of Sectarian developments within early Sikhism. It discourses in detail the role played by self – claimed Gurus of Mina Sect especially Prithi Chand, Miharban and Harji. The author points out that the chief motive of Minas was to establish their own line of guruship. For it, they had devised various ways and means and tried their best to outwit the Sikh Gurus. The study brings to light the social, religious and political outlook the Minas in comparison to the main line of Sikhism. To establish themselves and moreover to propagate their ideals, the Mina gurus had churned out a volume of poetry using the name of ‘Nanak’ which posed a serious threat to the original spirit of Gurbani. The works produced by the Mina gurus which were available in the form of manuscripts, are being presented in this volume for the first time." http://www.singhbrothers.com/demeaning-the-sikh-tradition-a-study-of-mina-poetry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 The Mina tradition eventually died out during the 1800s - I dont think it was a competitive strike at Guru Granth Sahib but rather an indication of Sikh supremacy in literature and influence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 13 hours ago, amardeep said: rather an indication of Sikh supremacy in literature and influence. Or maybe it was a desperate attempt to revive the tradition by the Minas. The Pothi does refer to Prithi Chand as "Guru Sahib" and states that Minas possessed the word (Gurbani), while Sikhs were worldly. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Are the Minas still existing today? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Nope. As far as I know, none of the panj mel exist today 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, amardeep said: Nope. As far as I know, none of the panj mel exist today What do you mean by "Panj Mel"? The five groups not to be associated with? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Yep the five groups mentioned in the 18th century rahitnamas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Minas and Masands are now largely extinct. Dhir Malias have descendants to this day (the Sodhis of Kartarpur), and there are Ram Raiyas in Dehra Dun. In the 1891 census 52,317 Hindus and 30,396 Sikhs returned themselves as 'Ram Raia' . (Census of India, 1891, Vol.XX and Vol.XXI, The Punjab and its Feudatories, by E.D. Maclagan, Part II and III, Calcutta, 1892, pp.826-9 and pp.572-3.) However there are no contemporary official numbers, (see also the note at the end of the Explanatory Introduction). http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/sikhism/minas.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 14 hours ago, amardeep said: Minas and Masands are now largely extinct. Dhir Malias have descendants to this day (the Sodhis of Kartarpur), and there are Ram Raiyas in Dehra Dun. In the 1891 census 52,317 Hindus and 30,396 Sikhs returned themselves as 'Ram Raia' . (Census of India, 1891, Vol.XX and Vol.XXI, The Punjab and its Feudatories, by E.D. Maclagan, Part II and III, Calcutta, 1892, pp.826-9 and pp.572-3.) However there are no contemporary official numbers, (see also the note at the end of the Explanatory Introduction). http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/sikhism/minas.html What about Gangushaheye? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 who are they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 6 hours ago, amardeep said: who are they? Descendants of Gangu Shah (who was blessed by Third Master). The fifth group, not to be associated with. Who do you thought was the fifth group? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 On 08/10/2017 at 9:45 AM, paapiman said: Have you actually read the Pothi? Has it been published? Bhul chuk maaf Veer Ji found a copy for sale http://www.jsks.biz/book-harjas-pothi-by-dr-gurbachan-singh-sek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 Here i a mention i found today on this sibject https://kam1825.podbean.com/e/harjas-pothi/ 936_Harjas_Pothi.mp3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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